Walz - Vance Debate (1 Viewer)

[Optimus Prime]

A couple weeks out. I fully expect another dominant performance
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Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, the Democratic vice-presidential nominee, has accelerated his preparations for his Oct. 1 debate with Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio), participating in policy sessions and mock debates in his home state and on the road.

Walz’s team has enlisted Transportation Secretary Pete Buttigieg, in his personal capacity, to play Vance in debate rehearsals, reprising his role from four years ago when he stood in for then-Vice President Mike Pence during Kamala Harris’s practice sessions, according to multiple people familiar with the debate process who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe confidential preparations.


Fueled by Diet Mountain Dew and dressed in casual wear — cargo pants and a T-shirt — Walz was in a Minneapolis hotel Wednesday, practicing with Buttigieg and taking notes on a yellow legal pad, the people said.

The two have not yet held a full 90-minute mock debate, although they are expected to do so closer to Oct. 1, when Walz and Vance will meet in New York for the debate hosted by CBS News.

Strategists for both parties say vice-presidential debates rarely affect the presidential race in a significant way.

But with Harris and former president Donald Trump having held their one and probably only debate instead of three, and the undercard coming five weeks before Election Day, it may carry higher stakes……….

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/09/19/tim-walz-debate-prep-vance/

 

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Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vancehas suggested that he doesn’t need to “prepare that much” ahead of his debate with MinnesotaGovernor Tim Walz on October 1.

The debate is set to take place at 9pm ET and will be hosted by CBS News.

“We have well-developed views on public policy, so we don’t have to prepare that much,” the Ohio senator said during a press call on Wednesday, according to the New York Post.
However, The New York Times has reported that Vance is spending several days hosting prep sessions in rural Michigan this week.

While President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris spent days preparing for their debates, which in the end led to Biden’s departure from the race, Vance said, “We’re not planning to do anything similar.”………

JD Vance claims he doesn’t have to ‘prepare much’ for VP debate

The October 1 debate between Vance and Tim Walz will be hosted by CBS News and is set to air at 9 pm Eastern time

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MT15]

A liar doesn’t have to prepare. It takes no particular knowledge to stand there and make shirt up.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A liar doesn’t have to prepare. It takes no particular knowledge to stand there and make shirt up.

Hopefully there’ll be some fact checking

 

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Republican vice presidential nominee JD Vancehas suggested that he doesn’t need to “prepare that much” ahead of his debate with MinnesotaGovernor Tim Walz on October 1.

The debate is set to take place at 9pm ET and will be hosted by CBS News.

“We have well-developed views on public policy, so we don’t have to prepare that much,” the Ohio senator said during a press call on Wednesday, according to the New York Post.
However, The New York Times has reported that Vance is spending several days hosting prep sessions in rural Michigan this week.

While President Joe Biden and Vice President Kamala Harris spent days preparing for their debates, which in the end led to Biden’s departure from the race, Vance said, “We’re not planning to do anything similar.”………

JD Vance claims he doesn’t have to ‘prepare much’ for VP debate

The October 1 debate between Vance and Tim Walz will be hosted by CBS News and is set to air at 9 pm Eastern time

www.independent.co.uk

Well-developed views on public policy? Thanks for the laughs, JD.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

So here's the job...

You have to coach up the Coach for his debate on Tuesday night. How does he attack JD? I doubt Vance can be baited in as Trump. Do you immediately attack him for his lies, particularly about Springfield, or do you sit back and let him hang himself?

 

[MT15]

So here's the job...

You have to coach up the Coach for his debate on Tuesday night. How does he attack JD? I doubt Vance can be baited in as Trump. Do you immediately attack him for his lies, particularly about Springfield, or do you sit back and let him hang himself?

I would attack. But that’s just me, lol.

 

[LA - L.A.]

So here's the job...

You have to coach up the Coach for his debate on Tuesday night. How does he attack JD? I doubt Vance can be baited in as Trump. Do you immediately attack him for his lies, particularly about Springfield, or do you sit back and let him hang himself?

I think Walz should have two goals, fact check the lies and get Vance to show his true self to everyone. This is how I would coach him, which is what I mean anytime I say "should."

Walz should correct every lie while speaking to the audience, as if Vance wasn't even there. Make it obvious to everyone watching when Vance is wrong or lying. Don't directly argue with Vance or try get him to admit that he's wrong and lying. Subtley speak past Vance directly to the audience. Vance is not who Walz has to convince or get an admission from, and it's a complete waste of time and effort to even try to get any admission from Vance.

Walz should be coached up on how to frame rhetorical questions to the audience, give the audience a beat to consider the question, and then give the audience the answer. It's an effective communication and education tool.

Walz should be heavily coached to avoid the trap of trying to win a protracted argument with Vance. That's what people like Vance want. Trump and Vance are both like boxers who like to trap people in a corner to pound away on them on one issue. Trump kept slugging away on immigration, so will Vance. Walz needs to be the boxer that stays off the ropes and out of the corners.

Walz needs to stick and move on issues. Land his best points on each issue and then move on to the next, forcing Vance to either chase him around making counter points or leaving Walz's points unanswered. Vance, like Trump, is not built for that. Harris basically did that with Trump. She didn't slug it out with Trump on any single issue.

Vance's go to trap move is to ask misleading questions based on false assumptions. It's the Republican's go to tactic actually, like how they love to throw out "what's a woman" when their falsehoods and illogical thinking are exposed. Walz needs to be coached up on how to recognize and counter the false assumption Vance's loaded questions are based on. Walz should point out the falsehood directly to the audience.

Walz needs to be drilled on knowing which camera is on him and always speak directly into that camera. He needs to be seen on screen as always looking and talking directly to everyone who is watching. They need to run him through a lot of simulated "in studio on camera" practice reps with a focus on spotting which camera is the live on air camera. Being a former teacher and coach, I think he would do rather well with repetitious drilling.

Speaking directly to the audience is also the best way to get Vance to fully expose his true self. Vance didn't get the attention and validation as a child that children need and he's still desperately chasing that external attention and validation through drawing negative attention to himself with destructive behavior.

If Walz never speaks directly to Vance or never diretcly acknowledges Vance during the debate (other than shaking his hand at the beginning and end), Vance will spiral into destructive behavior to try to force Walz to pay attention to him. Walz needs to completely focus his intention on speaking directly to the audience and not giving anything thought or intention to ignoring Vance. If he focuses on intentionally ignoring Vance, then he could come across as a jerk. He needs to be like a grandfather that's solely focused on assuring his grand children while telling them to ignore the lies that people are telling them. Walz acting toward the audience as a caring paternal figure will also distract Vance, because what he desperately wants is a paternal figure in his life. The tech bros exploit that facet of Vance to make him do tricks for them like a needy puppy dog.

Here's a general and rough hypothetical example of what I mean:

Vance: Illegal Haitians are destroying Springfield and illegal immigrants are destroying the country.

Walz: Look around you. Roads and bridges are being rebuilt and repaired. Factories and manufacturing jobs are coming back. People are uniting together to get better pay, benefits and working conditions. Inflation is coming down for the first time in years. The interest rate is coming down. Violent crime is down. Does that look like a country being destroyed to you? (pause) I don't know about you, but to me that looks like a country that is rebuilding, getting stronger and improving every day. That happened because of Biden and Harris's policies and I will help Harris to cotinue and expand on these policies to keep making this country stronger and better for every one of us.

Something along those lines.

 

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NEW YORK (AP) — CBS News, hosting vice presidential candidates JD Vance and Tim Walz for the general election campaign’s third debate next week, says it will be up to the politicians — not the moderators — to check the facts of their opponents.

The 90-minute debate, scheduled for 9 p.m. Eastern on Tuesday in a Manhattan studio that once hosted the children’s program “Captain Kangaroo,” will be moderated by the outgoing “CBS Evening News” anchor Norah O’Donnell and “Face the Nation” host Margaret Brennan.

During ABC’s debate between presidential contenders Kamala Harris and Donald Trump earlier this month, network moderators on four occasionspointed out inaccurate statements by Trump, and none by Harris. That infuriated the former president and his supporters, who complained it was unfair.

Last spring, CNN moderators did not question any facts presented by Trump and President Joe Biden in the debate where Biden’s poor performance eventually led to him dropping out of the race.…….

CBS News says it will be up to Vance and Walz to fact-check each other in veep debate

When JD Vance and Tim Walz take the stage for next week's vice presidential debate, CBS News says it will be up to the candidates, not the moderators, to fact-check each other.

apnews.com

 

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Numbers show Vance-Walz debate could change the course of the election

Exclusive: New poll shows the choice of VP has a ‘significant impact’ on two-thirds of Democrats, and 75 per cent of Americans will be tuning in to watch Vance and Walz debate on Tuesday

www.independent.co.uk

 

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The football coach and the “Yale law guy” go head-to-head in New York City on Tuesday night, as two midwesterners with very different styles and vastly diverging messages slug it out over the future of the US.

Tim Walz, the Democratic governor of Minnesota, faces the Republican senator from Ohio, JD Vance, in a vice-presidential debate that promises to be unusually significant in this white-hot election year.

They will joust for 90 minutes under the moderation of CBS News as they seek to give their respective running mates – Kamala Harris and Donald Trump – a leg up to the White House.

Walz has been prepping for the debate in Minneapolis with the US transportation secretary, Pete Buttigieg, masquerading as Vance. (Buttigieg may have been suffering deja vu – he posed as Mike Pence during Kamala Harris’s prep sessions ahead of the 2020 VP debate.)

Vance has been holding mock debates with the Republican whip in the US House, Tom Emmer, standing in as Walz. Emmer is a fellow Minnesotan, so has the benefit of having studied Walz up close.


The two running mates bring contrasting strengths to the gladiatorial ring. Vance is an experienced debater who will relish confrontation under the glare of the TV lights.

“Look, he’s a Yale law guy,” Walz has said about his opponent. “He’ll come well prepared.”

Walz by contrast will be able to lean on skills learned in the school classroom. Walz spent 17 years as a public school teacher, so he knows how to think on his feet – and deal with a disruptive kid.

“I expect to see a very heated debate,” Robby Mook, Hillary Clinton’s 2016 presidential campaign manager, told CBS News.

One of the big questions of the night is likely to be whether Vance can redeem himself after a troubled start to his candidacy. Will he be able to get past all the “weirdness”, as Walz has framed it, and bring consistency to the messaging of an often chaotic Trump campaign?

From awkward encounters with doughnut shop workers, to the ongoing furor around his “childless cat ladies” remark, Vance has been the subject of online mockery that has at times appeared to engulf him. He also seems to be stuck on the same culture war issues that consume Trump.

“Vance does not seem to have drawn additional voters to the Trump ticket, as the controversies he gets into are exactly the same as those the former president gets into,” said Barry Burden, a political scientist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison.…..

Walz v Vance: two midwesterners miles apart in politics ready for debate

Democratic and Republican vice-presidential candidates will face off on 1 October in unusually important debate

www.theguardian.com

 

[GrandAdmiral]

So, folks are about to lose their jobs right? These are clear HIPAA violations...

VA employees improperly accessed medical files of Vance and Walz | CNN Politics

Employees at the Department of Veterans Affairs improperly accessed the medical files of Sen. JD Vance and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, the two major party vice presidential nominees, and an investigation is under way.

www.cnn.com

 

[MT15]

So, folks are about to lose their jobs right? These are clear HIPAA violations...

VA employees improperly accessed medical files of Vance and Walz | CNN Politics

Employees at the Department of Veterans Affairs improperly accessed the medical files of Sen. JD Vance and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, the two major party vice presidential nominees, and an investigation is under way.

www.cnn.com

Should. For sure. If they don’t there’s something wrong.

 

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Former George W. Bush speechwriter David Frum on Monday talked about how Democratic vice presidential candidate Tim Walz may be able to rile GOP rival JD Vance during their upcoming debate, like Kamala Harris did to Donald Trump during their presidential head-to-head.

“I’ve known him for a long time,” Frum said on CNN of Vance, who wrote for Frum’s FrumForum website from 2009 to 2012 under a pseudonym.

Trump’s running mate is “very brittle” and his “public persona is a fake,” Frum noted.

“He’s someone that when he’s exposed becomes very petulant, very peevish, very angry and very controlling. That’s going to be the task at this debate, is can Walz successfully hold the mirror up, keep it there and let America see what it’s choice is?”

Frum, now a senior editor at The Atlantic, dove into the theme in an essay published Sunday, titled “J. D. Vance’s Thin Skin Makes Him Vulnerable.”

Trump critic-turned-acolyte Vance “is both opportunistic and stubborn, an unstable combination,” Frum wrote. “That’s one of many vulnerabilities that an adroit opponent can exploit. Walz has deftly used some of them already. He gets his chance to use more on national television Tuesday night.”.........

MSN

 

[Optimus Prime]

Kamala Harris used Donald Trump’s psychic weaknesses against him in their televised debate on September 10. Can Governor Tim Walz do the same to Senator J. D. Vance when they meet on Tuesday?

Watch what happens when Vance is asked an unexpected question by a friendly Fox News reporter: “What makes you smile?” Vance responds with ill temper and defensiveness: “I smile at a lot of things, including bogus questions from the media, man.” That insult is followed by an unpleasant laugh.

It has been said that the Trump-Vance ticket is the angriest in recent history. But Vance doesn’t rage and roar onstage the way Trump does. Instead, he seethes with petty peevishness. His disdain for women who deviate from his script for their life is barely disguised, or not disguised at all. It’s an unattractive look. Walz’s job is to provoke Vance into showing that ugly side to a huge national audience. How to do it?...........

J. D. Vance’s Thin Skin Makes Him Vulnerable

Tuesday’s debate may hinge on whether Tim Walz can exploit his rival’s greatest weakness.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[LA - L.A.]

Here's the link to the C-Span live simulcast of the debate tonight.

 

[faceman]

So, folks are about to lose their jobs right? These are clear HIPAA violations...

VA employees improperly accessed medical files of Vance and Walz | CNN Politics

Employees at the Department of Veterans Affairs improperly accessed the medical files of Sen. JD Vance and Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, the two major party vice presidential nominees, and an investigation is under way.

www.cnn.com

could be a lot more than just a job loss. I copied and pasted from a quick google search.

• Civil penalties
  These are usually issued when the offender was unaware of the violation. The minimum penalty is $137 for covered entities or business associates who were unaware of the violation and could not have known through reasonable diligence. The maximum penalty is $25,000 per year.
• Criminal penalties
  These are usually issued when the offender knowingly obtained or used protected health information (PHI) without permission. There are three tiers of criminal penalties:
  • • Tier 1: Up to one year in jail and a $50,000 fine for deliberately obtaining and disclosing PHI without authorization
    • Tier 2: Up to five years in jail and a $100,000 fine for obtaining PHI under false pretenses
    • Tier 3: Up to 10 years in jail and a $250,000 fine for obtaining PHI for personal gain or with malicious intent

 

[MT15]

Just saw this: