Voting Law Proposals and Voting Rights Efforts (1 Viewer)

[MT15]

This is, IMO, going to be a big topic in the coming year. Republicans have stated their aim to make voting more restrictive in just about every state where they have the means to do so. Democrats would like to pass the Voting Rights Bill named after John Lewis. I’m going to go look up the map of all the states which have pending legislation to restrict voting. Now that we have the election in the rear view, I thought we could try to make this a general discussion thread, where people who have concerns about voting abuses can post as well and we can discuss it from both sides. Please keep memes out of this thread and put them in the boards where we go to talk about the other side, lol.

 

[DaveXA]

You know, I haven't spent any time looking into ways people can and have pulled off fake balloting, but I will do that going forward, as it's really foolish to talk about an election that was stolen when evidence hasn't been produced. On the other hand, it's equally foolish to think that it's impossible for fake balloting to occur.

My point in all this is that it was possible for cheating to take place in this last election, but I won't go into depth on it until I have more information.

Using your logic, it was always possible for cheating to take place in any election in our country's history. And, well, it's true, there's always been that possibility. Nothing changed in 2016 or 2020 to change that possibility. If anything, reported cases of fraud and attempted fraud were down in 2016 and 2020 compared to prior years. So...

 

[Peace]

Using your logic, it was always possible for cheating to take place in any election in our country's history. And, well, it's true, there's always been that possibility. Nothing changed in 2016 or 2020 to change that possibility. If anything, reported cases of fraud and attempted fraud were down in 2016 and 2020 compared to prior years. So...

I don't know why keep harping on this, as you're not changing my mind. I said earlier that I had no problem with either Clinton's or Obama's elections but I do have a problem with this one - it's suspicious as hell.

Enjoy your guy while you still can, but as for me, I'm going to continue laughing at his incompetence and get ready for the next election.

 

[Peace]

This is like an ostrich sticking it’s head in the sand, just so you’re aware. Yes, people vote fraudulently, however, it is done individually, and they are invariably caught.

It is very much impossible for massive mail-in voter fraud to take place on a scale where it tips a presidential election. And that’s because we have spent decades making improvements to our voting process. I would encourage you to go to your local precinct and learn about the voting process and all the safeguards that are built in.

Nobody thinks there was massive voter fraud that knows anything about how US elections are run.

And you are not being consistent here - we are only discussing this because you did talk about a stolen election. In fact, you said it was stolen. So don’t now wave it off and say it’s foolish to talk about stolen elections when you are the one who said it was stolen.

What did I just tell you guys? I acknowledged that there isn't available proof of election fraud, but that still doesn't curb my suspicions. Going forward, I'm going to look at this shirt more closely and encourage everyone I know to do the same.

It's really that simple.

 

[FullMonte]

You know, I haven't spent any time looking into ways people can and have pulled off fake balloting, but I will do that going forward, as it's really foolish to talk about an election that was stolen when evidence hasn't been produced. On the other hand, it's equally foolish to think that it's impossible for fake balloting to occur.

My point in all this is that it was possible for cheating to take place in this last election, but I won't go into depth on it until I have more information.

Here is the simple, undeniable reality:

FACT -- There were more investigations, audits, and lawsuits surrounding the 2020 election, and they all showed that fraud was isolated to a few individuals.

CONCLUSION(S):
(a) US elections are incredibly secure and have, essentially, no fraud.
-or-
(b) In 2020, incidents of fraud were unusually low, and the 2020 election was incredibly secure and had, essentially, no fraud.

There are no other conclusions that can be drawn.

 

[Peace]

Here is the simple, undeniable reality:

FACT -- There were more investigations, audits, and lawsuits surrounding the 2020 election, and they all showed that fraud was isolated to a few individuals.

CONCLUSION(S):
(a) US elections are incredibly secure and have, essentially, no fraud.
-or-
(b) In 2020, incidents of fraud were unusually low, and the 2020 election was incredibly secure and had, essentially, no fraud.

There are no other conclusions that can be drawn.

Do you think it's possible for members of our government to organize and engage in mass balloting fraud?

 

[cuddlemonkey]

What did I just tell you guys? I acknowledged that there isn't available proof of election fraud, but that still doesn't curb my suspicions. Going forward, I'm going to look at this shirt more closely and encourage everyone I know to do the same.

It's really that simple.

It should curb your suspicions, though. It's not just the lack of evidence. It's the confirmation, through independent analysis and testing of various types, that nothing untoward happened. Statistically significant hand recounts of random samplings in various battleground states turned up nothing. No voting machines analyzed anywhere were found to have been tampered with. CISA found no evidence whatsoever and actively debunked claims on their website (which led directly to Trump firing CISA Director Christopher Krebs. The idiotic Cyber Ninjas, who were in the pocket of the most fervent believers, turned up nothing. This is like believing in crop circles, then having someone create one right in front of you, only for you to say 'yeah, but...'

 

[Peace]

It should curb your suspicions, though.

But it doesn't. Not with an absent, half brain dead, individual like Joe Biden occupying the White House.

The spike in mail-in balloting, the sudden shifts in election numbers in battleground states, and sleepy Joe Biden AWOL from his own campaign will never ease the suspicions.

 

[MT15]

Do you think it's possible for members of our government to organize and engage in mass balloting fraud?

Elections are carried out locally. And every place has both democratic and Republican members as part of the process. How would the government commit mass voter fraud?

 

[MT15]

But it doesn't. Not with an absent, half brain dead, individual like Joe Biden occupying the White House.

The spike in mail-in balloting, the sudden shifts in election numbers in battleground states, and sleepy Joe Biden AWOL from his own campaign will never ease the suspicions.

Biden was nobody’s favorite, but millions of Americans just wanted Trump to go away. What we have in Biden is a competent person who knows how things work and can get things done, even in such a polarized country as we are right now.

But if it helps you - think of the votes for Biden more as votes against Trump.

He’s not absent, nor brain dead, or any of those other things you keep calling him.

He actually got infrastructure improvement done, he has handled the Ukraine invasion pretty well, he has reassured our allies and strengthened NATO. Our economy is doing really well, especially compared to the rest of the world.

Is he an inspiring speaker? Hell, no. But he isn’t a sociopathic, grandiose narcissist. And if he runs and loses in 2024 he won’t try to change the outcome of the election.

 

[Peace]

Elections are carried out locally. And every place has both democratic and Republican members as part of the process. How would the government commit mass voter fraud?

Since fraud also includes dishonesty, you can't dismiss the possibility that members of US Congress working with local governments to get shirt done.

See, one obvious problem you have is that you think all members of government are incapable of doing anything dishonest. That must be why leftists are so pro government.

Clearly you think they are not capable of committing fraud, so that's yet another reason for good Americans to scrutinize the election process.

 

[Peace]

Biden was nobody’s favorite, but millions of Americans just wanted Trump to go away. What we have in Biden is a competent person who knows how things work and can get things done, even in such a polarized country as we are right now.

But if it helps you - think of the votes for Biden more as votes against Trump.

He’s not absent, nor brain dead, or any of those other things you keep calling him.

He actually got infrastructure improvement done, he has handled the Ukraine invasion pretty well, he has reassured our allies and strengthened NATO. Our economy is doing really well, especially compared to the rest of the world.

Is he an inspiring speaker? Hell, no. But he isn’t a sociopathic, grandiose narcissist. And if he runs and loses in 2024 he won’t try to change the outcome of the election.

Too weak. Simple hatred for Trump can't have been enough to steer that many votes to an old, white, racist like Joe Biden. It doesn't compute.

 

[MT15]

Since fraud also includes dishonesty, you can't dismiss the possibility that members of US Congress working with local governments to get shirt done.

See, one obvious problem you have is that you think all members of government are incapable of doing anything dishonest. That must be why leftists are so pro government.

Clearly you think they are not capable of committing fraud, so that's yet another reason for good Americans to scrutinize the election process.

No I most emphatically do not think they are incapable of committing fraud, lol. I have seen them do it brazenly. Most recently when people like Cruz and Brooks tried to pull off fake electors after the 2020 election.

But do you know why those bozos were reduced to that crazy stunt? Because local election officials are always a mixed group - there are always both democrats and republicans overseeing the local elections. And local election officials generally take their jobs seriously and take pride in reporting out accurate votes. Just take Trump’s phone call to GA Secretary of State - he voted for Trump, he wanted Trump to win, but he knew he didn’t win GA and he refused to play along with Trump’s (IMO illegal) attempt to get him to “just say he recalculated” and flip the election to Trump.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

But it doesn't. Not with an absent, half brain dead, individual like Joe Biden occupying the White House.

The spike in mail-in balloting, the sudden shifts in election numbers in battleground states, and sleepy Joe Biden AWOL from his own campaign will never ease the suspicions.

Your opinion of Biden doesn't make your suspicions valid. By your logic, every election is suspicious because we can find people that vehemently dislike the winner.

 

[MT15]

Too weak. Simple hatred for Trump can't have been enough to steer that many votes to an old, white, racist like Joe Biden. It doesn't compute.

Well, that’s what happened. It wasn’t some vast conspiracy involving hundreds of people, printing presses and fake ballots that had to be faked down to the bar codes and signatures.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Too weak. Simple hatred for Trump can't have been enough to steer that many votes to an old, white, racist like Joe Biden. It doesn't compute.

Your inability to understand does not change reality.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Since fraud also includes dishonesty, you can't dismiss the possibility that members of US Congress working with local governments to get shirt done.

See, one obvious problem you have is that you think all members of government are incapable of doing anything dishonest. That must be why leftists are so pro government.

Clearly you think they are not capable of committing fraud, so that's yet another reason for good Americans to scrutinize the election process.

Funny you mention this. We actually have some potential fraud committed by people who are (or were, at the time) members of the federal government stemming from the 2020 presidential election results. They're all Republicans.

 

[Peace]

Funny you mention this. We actually have some potential fraud committed by people who are (or were, at the time) members of the federal government stemming from the 2020 presidential election results. They're all Republicans.

Oh, you mean the protest on January 6th?

 

[MT15]

Oh, you mean the protest on January 6th?

No, that’s most likely not what he means.