US/Israel and Iran- (1 Viewer)

[efil4]

Thought we should start thread here - over weekend, US carried out strikes against Houthi elements in Yemen in retaliation for their actions in Red Sea.



Houthi leader issued this statement- no US ships in Red Sea


Houthis then attempted to strike US Carrier group

This morning Trump took to Truth Social:



So any missile/shot fired from Houthi elements in Yemen will be considered coming from Iran. Obviously this is wrought with problems, but we know Houthis will respond and continue attacks.

So then what does this mean for Iran? Lots to unpack, but seems to me that the NO WAR POTUS is hell bent on getting into yet ANOTHER conflict in the ME. He is backing himself into a corner with statements and we could find ourselves embroiled in ME conflict again.

 

[Eeyore]

Well, considering we are now in danger of being sanction by the UN for violating UN Charters, I guess we are now a Rogue Nation led by a lawless Government.

So now we're edgy and don't conform to societies rules? Soon we'll have skulls on everything that we own, all clothing will be black or camouflage and we'll make sure that we have either an X, a reference to patriotism, or the word tactical in every product that we buy.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

So now we're edgy and don't conform to societies rules? Soon we'll have skulls on everything that we own, all clothing will be black or camouflage and we'll make sure that we have either an X, a reference to patriotism, or the word tactical in every product that we buy.

 

[Eeyore]

U.S. State Department has begun evacuations of Americans from Israel, Huckabee says

U.S. Ambassador to Israel Mike Huckabee's announcement comes days after confusion about whether the U.S. government would be assisting American citizens evacuating from Israel.

www.cbsnews.com

 

[longtime lurker]

She’s so right….

Ocasio-Cortez says Iran bombing grounds for Trump impeachment

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on Saturday night said President Trump’s decision to strike three of Iran’s nuclear sites is grounds for impeachment, becoming one of the first elected Democr…

thehill.com

Btw…anyone else worried that this thread will be looked back on as the start of WWIII?

 

[J-DONK]

She’s so right….

Ocasio-Cortez says Iran bombing grounds for Trump impeachment

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on Saturday night said President Trump’s decision to strike three of Iran’s nuclear sites is grounds for impeachment, becoming one of the first elected Democr…

thehill.com

Btw…anyone else worried that this thread will be looked back on as the start of WWIII?

TBH, I don't think it will. China is never going to war for anything other then it's own self-interest, aka Taiwan. Russia can barely operate a 1 front war. Iran has no real allies that it can bring into the conflict.

It's far more probable Iran sprints to be finish a bomb. Israel, and Trump can talk all they want, but once they have a bomb. It's over. North Korea proves that.

 

[Dragon]

Cue the terrorist attack that drags us further down

This is a catastrophe in the making — militarily, ecologically, and geopolitically. Bombing nuclear facilities like Fordow, Natanz, and Esfahan isn't just an act of aggression; it's a direct invitation to disaster. The risk of widespread radioactive contamination is enormous, potentially rendering entire regions uninhabitable. And let’s be clear: if the fallout doesn’t provoke immediate retaliation, it will almost certainly inspire asymmetric responses — including dirty bomb attacks on U.S. soil by terrorist groups.


Make no mistake, this isn’t about peace. This is about provocation, escalation, and destabilization. Both Netanyahu and Trump are equally culpable. Neither seems to grasp the long-term consequences of what they've just set in motion.


The real question now is: how much further down the spiral are we willing to go?

 

[longtime lurker]

And every clip of Trump is of him wearing that dumb red, clown like, flea market MAGA hat…. Just puts the rotten cherry on top of everything wrong with America at this very moment.

 

[Maxp]

Well no more TACOS, he was McFlyed.

 

[efil4]

 

[efil4]

 

[efil4]

With underground tunnel overlay

 

[MT15]

One strike doesn’t actually worry me - what does worry me are 2 things:

Real danger of a terrorist strike similar to OKC or 911

Trump will get favorable feedback and start thinking bombing things is the answer to his popularity issues.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Optimus Prime]

Bombing will not make Iran go away. US bombs will not destroy the knowhow needed to build a nuclear weapon or the will do so, if that is what Tehran wants.

The huge attack ordered by Donald Trump will not halt ongoing open warfare between Israel and Iran.

It will not bring lasting peace to the Middle East, end the slaughter in Gaza, deliver justice to the Palestinians, or end more than half a century of bitter enmity between Tehran and Washington.

More likely, Trump’s rash, reckless gamble will inflame and exacerbate all these problems. Depending on how Iran and its allies and supporters react, the region could plunge into an uncontrolled conflagration.

US bases in the Persian Gulf and elsewhere in the region, home to about 40,000 American troops, must now be considered potential targets for retaliation – and possibly British and allied forces, too.

Trump says he has not declared war on Iran. He claims the attack is not an opening salvo in a campaign aimed at triggering regime change in Tehran. But that’s

not how Iran’s politicians and people will see it. Trump’s premature bragging about “spectacular” success, and threats of more and bigger bombs, sound like the words of a ruthless conqueror intent on total, crushing victory.

Trump, the isolationist president who vowed to avoid foreign wars, has walked slap bang into a trap prepared by Israel’s Benjamin Netanyahu – a trap his smarter predecessors avoided.

Netanyahu has constantly exaggerated the immediacy of the Iranian nuclear threat. His alarmist speeches on this subject go back 30 years.

Always, he claimed to know what UN nuclear inspectors, US and European intelligence agencies and even some of his own spy chiefs did not – namely, that Iran was on the verge of deploying a ready-to-use nuclear weapon aimed at Israel’s heart.

This contention has never been proven. Iran has always denied seeking a nuclear bomb. Its supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, issued a fatwa banning any such programme.

Netanyahu’s most recent claim that Iran was weaponising, made as he tried to justify last week’s unilateral, illegal Israeli attacks, was not supported by the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) or US intelligence experts.

But weak-minded Trump chose to believe it. Reading from Netanyahu’s script, he said on Saturday night that eliminating this incontrovertible nuclear threat was vital – and the sole aim of the US air assault.

So, once again, the US has gone to war in the Middle East on the back of a lie, on disputed, probably faulty intelligence purposefully distorted for political reasons.

Once again, as in Iraq in 2003, the overall objectives of the war are unclear, uncertain and open to interpretation by friend and foe alike. Once again, there appears to be no “exit strategy”, no guardrails against escalation and no plan for what happens next.

Demanding that Iran capitulate or face “national tragedy” is not a policy. It’s a deadly dead-end.

Iran will not go away, whatever Trump and Netanyahu may imagine in their fevered dreams. It will remain a force in the region.

It will remain a country to be reckoned with, a country of 90 million people, and one with powerful allies in China, Russia and the global south. It is already insisting it will continue with its civil nuclear programme.………

No matter what Trump says, the US has gone to war – and there will be profound and lasting consequences | Simon Tisdall

Trump has fallen slap bang into the trap laid for him by Netanyahu. His reckless gamble makes a nuclear weapon for Iran more, not less, likely, says Guardian foreign affairs commentator Simon Tisdall

www.theguardian.com

 

[superchuck500]

I can’t believe how comical this is. The only response is “you can’t be serous dude”

 

[efil4]

And there is the problem with the US ( and has been for quite some time now). We self-impose limits and attempt to claim "victory" as in the short term. Our adversaries are long term.
Couple this with Trump proclaiming if Iran DOES NOT return to negotiation, more and heavier strikes are coming. Iran has stated they will not return to table, so now we are on the clock for yet another round of attacks, this time, with no national security interests no matter how this Admin tries to spin it.

Iran parliament has voted to close the Straights of Hormuz, now up to military to actually close it. When is the question. But if they do, presents another set of problems and we enter this downward spiral of conflict.
The Houthis have also issued statement that they are at war with America.

And with the chaos inside this Admin, distractions galore, I'm not confident we can thwart any domestic or international terror attack. ( oh but Fox already attempting to set up Biden admin to be responsible for "open borders")

 

[superchuck500]

 

[Optimus Prime]

After Trump rebuked her view of Iran, Tulsi Gabbard absent from Situation Room photos

Director of National Intelligence has reportedly been on the outs with president since she posted a video warning against nuclear threats as well as “political elites and warmongers”

www.independent.co.uk