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    efil4

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    Thought we should start thread here - over weekend, US carried out strikes against Houthi elements in Yemen in retaliation for their actions in Red Sea.



    Houthi leader issued this statement- no US ships in Red Sea


    Houthis then attempted to strike US Carrier group

    This morning Trump took to Truth Social:



    So any missile/shot fired from Houthi elements in Yemen will be considered coming from Iran. Obviously this is wrought with problems, but we know Houthis will respond and continue attacks.

    So then what does this mean for Iran? Lots to unpack, but seems to me that the NO WAR POTUS is hell bent on getting into yet ANOTHER conflict in the ME. He is backing himself into a corner with statements and we could find ourselves embroiled in ME conflict again.
     
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    efil4 said:
    And this is Trumps TS post ( around same time F15 was shot down )

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    Yeah, someone posted that on the politics thread of the Browns Discord.

    My response: he has all the time in the world. What he and the imbecile Kegstand don’t have is a clue.
     
    efil4 said:
    We've lost an F15 Strike Eagle - CSAR underway but reports are IRGC captured both pilot and wizzo ( weapons officer )

    sigh.






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    I’m going from memory here. Before this war, f-15s have a reputation of never being shot down. Great air superior aircraft. Flawless. Wtf are we doing putting them in there when the Iranians don’t even have fighters left?

    Googled it:
    simpleflying.com

    Why The F-15 Eagle Has Never Been Shot Down

    After nearly five decades in service, the F-15 Eagle remains undefeated, but how has the iconic fighter managed to maintain a perfect record?
    simpleflying.com simpleflying.com
     
    UriUT said:
    I’m going from memory here. Before this war, f-15s have a reputation of never being shot down. Great air superior aircraft. Flawless. Wtf are we doing putting them in there when the Iranians don’t even have fighters left?

    Googled it:
    simpleflying.com

    Why The F-15 Eagle Has Never Been Shot Down

    After nearly five decades in service, the F-15 Eagle remains undefeated, but how has the iconic fighter managed to maintain a perfect record?
    simpleflying.com simpleflying.com
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    Because we THOUGHT we ruled the skies.

    Hubris is a deadly sin.

    the folks who SEND our men/women to war will ALWAYS attempt to sell the conflict as "easy" to put the citizens fears to rest. Its never easy. Ever. But we trot out "reelz" of precision munitions striking targets like its a video game.

    What you dont see are the opposing fighters firing back. Because that would eliminate the "good vibes" they are attempting to induce.
     
    efil4 said:
    Because we THOUGHT we ruled the skies.

    Hubris is a deadly sin.

    the folks who SEND our men/women to war will ALWAYS attempt to sell the conflict as "easy" to put the citizens fears to rest. Its never easy. Ever. But we trot out "reelz" of precision munitions striking targets like its a video game.

    What you dont see are the opposing fighters firing back. Because that would eliminate the "good vibes" they are attempting to induce.
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    I’m willing to bet this was a Sam downing. These were the fighters that intimidated the Russians in the battle of khasham along w the f-22. But I get your sentiments.
     
    efil4 said:
    Because we THOUGHT we ruled the skies.

    Hubris is a deadly sin.

    the folks who SEND our men/women to war will ALWAYS attempt to sell the conflict as "easy" to put the citizens fears to rest. Its never easy. Ever. But we trot out "reelz" of precision munitions striking targets like its a video game.

    What you dont see are the opposing fighters firing back. Because that would eliminate the "good vibes" they are attempting to induce.
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    So, instead of Baghdad Bob we have Pravda Pete and Declining Donnie.

    What could possibly go wrong?
     
    efil4 said:
    Because we THOUGHT we ruled the skies.

    Hubris is a deadly sin.

    the folks who SEND our men/women to war will ALWAYS attempt to sell the conflict as "easy" to put the citizens fears to rest. Its never easy. Ever. But we trot out "reelz" of precision munitions striking targets like its a video game.

    What you dont see are the opposing fighters firing back. Because that would eliminate the "good vibes" they are attempting to induce.
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    Yep, had to look it up to confirm, we lost a few more in Kuwait due to friendly fire…sam attacks earlier in the war. This was the female pilot in the mist of hegseth’s comments about some bs masculinity.

     
    Incumbent said:
    It’s easy to imagine why the people at the very top would align with Trump, but I’m at a loss that the well-to-do classes, outside of the 1%, still don’t recognize that they are going to get steam-rolled along with everybody else.
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    The ones I know seems to put their heads in the sand. They won't believe it until they feel it.
     
    UriUT said:
    Yep, had to look it up to confirm, we lost a few more in Kuwait due to friendly fire…sam attacks earlier in the war. This was the female pilot in the mist of hegseth’s comments about some bs masculinity.

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    Actually, those three were shot down by a Kuwaiti F-18, they represent the first air-to-air loss of any F-15 variant. 104-3
     
    wardorican said:
    Its partially behind a pay wall. Can you summarize the point?
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    I'll just cut and paste the wrap-up:

    "At multiple points in the last decade Americans have touched the stove of Trumpism and every time they were happy to continue with Trumpism.
    My fear is that the Iran war will be like COVID. Gas will get expensive, for a time. Prices will go up. But the world will spin on and people will rationalize it.

    That’s the pattern, isn’t it?

    A million Americans die from COVID and people say, There wasn’t a zombie apocalypse so the pandemic wasn’t actually that bad.

    Trump attempts a coup and people say, Well, the coup failed. So there was never any real danger.

    I do not understand this dynamic. With Joe Biden, people would dismiss his successes by fixating on failures: Sure, unemployment is low and the stock market is hot and GDP is growing. But food prices are going up too and this is terrible.

    With Trump, people react differently. They use hypothetical worst-case scenarios as a way to excuse his failures: Sure, the tariffs are bad—but we aren’t in a Great Depression. Sure, the war is ill-considered—but we haven’t all died in nuclear hellfire.

    I’m not sure why the dynamic works this way. But if our fellow Americans are capable of changing their minds from getting burnt by the stove, then we are all going to have to absorb the pain.

    I say: Bring it on.

    Because what’s the alternative?

    I can think of a couple alternatives, actually.

    The first is that the American people are rotten, and that no amount of stove touching will change their minds. And in that case, don’t they deserve the hot stove just as a moral matter?

    The second is that stove touching is what sociologists refer to as a normative exercise. Meaning that we are constantly re-anchoring our sense of what a burn feels like, so that bit-by-bit outcomes which would have been outrageous in 2017 become prosaic in 2026. This is the frog-boiling-in-pot effect.

    And if that’s what’s going on, then what we need is a true shock to the system—bad outcomes so far outside the normative window that voters rebel and wake up to the reality of what they’ve been excusing and accepting.

    In which case a very bad burn is exactly what we (as a society) need—even if it means pain being dealt to many people who don’t deserve it."
     
    not2rich said:
    www.thebulwark.com

    In Praise of Stove-Touching

    The alternative is even darker.
    www.thebulwark.com www.thebulwark.com
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    It’s really hard to explain this concept to people without coming off as hating America or hating troops or just an A-hole.

    I fall into the small, optimistic group that believes we can course correct with enough justifiable consequences.

    Reagan and Bush was in part the result of Iranian embarrassment and inflation due to gas prices. I’m hoping for a repeat of history for Dems.
     

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