Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (4 Viewers)

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    I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

    Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

    Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.


     
    most of the coverage I saw this morning had some version of

    America is still here, Democracy is still here, the Capitol building still stands

    All I could think of was "Bombs bursting in air, our flag was still there"

    This was an attack on America, an attack on democracy and a siege on the Capitol and everything it stands for

    Like Fort McHenry we withstood and survived that attack but everyone involved in this needs to be charged and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law

    A lot of coverage also noted the distinct difference between the police actions yesterday and the BLM protests - there needs to be a serious investigation

    More need to say what Romney did, this was always all a lie - the people in that mob believe the lie, the 39% Ted Cruz mentioned believe the lie but the politicians, Cruz, Hawley, Scalise et al know it's a lie, they promoted it just to serve their own ends

    they should be dealt with harshly
     
    I still can’t believe they weren’t shot. If they were anybody but white Trumpers they would have been put down the second they breeched the front doors. Muslims wouldn’t have made it to the steps. Talk about a missed chance to thin the herd.

    As an aside-
    As a Saints fans, which nearly all of this board is, I love it when fans from like (New) England or Seattle or Chicago come on the Andrus’ site out of nowhere and start telling us why we are wrong about the team we live in, I mean watch. And then they get all uppity when they don’t have the red carpet rolled out for them.

    It reeks of desperation and loneliness.
     
    CoolBrees said:
    I still can’t believe they weren’t shot. If they were anybody but white Trumpers they would have been put down the second they breeched the front doors. Muslims wouldn’t have made it to the steps. Talk about a missed chance to thin the herd.

    As an aside-
    As a Saints fans, which nearly all of this board is, I love it when fans from like (New) England or Seattle or Chicago come on the Andrus’ site out of nowhere and start telling us why we are wrong about the team we live in, I mean watch. And then they get all uppity when they don’t have the red carpet rolled out for them.

    It reeks of desperation and loneliness.
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    I get what you're saying, but shooting hundreds of people rushing the Capitol was never going to be an option unless they were armed. They shot and killed one unarmed woman in the Capitol. It could have been a whole lot worse, but, they should have never been allowed into the Capitol to begin with. This was a failure of the police to secure the Capitol before those people got there. This didn't have to happen.

    Hopefully they'll be more proactive going forward until after the inauguration.
     
    FullMonte said:
    Exactly. And if you look at the Electoral Count Act, and what led to it, it's quite clear that "we don't like the result" or "people believe there was fraud" was never the intention. In that year's (the previous year's) election, multiple states (I am pretty sure Louisiana was one of them) submitted multiple slates of electors. Congress was stuck. The Constitution said that they had to count ALL of the votes, but counting votes for two candidates for a single state would lead to huge problems. So, they came up with a process for someone in congress to say "Hey, I don't think that *THIS* certificate is the legitimate certificate for this state." If seconded, the two houses of congress could debate that certificate in an effort to determine if the certificate that was contested was the actual slate of electors that a particular state submitted.

    Moving forward to this year, and using Arizona as an example. There is ZERO reason to believe that the certificate that was opened and read was not the certificate of electors that the state of Arizona submitted as their official slate of electors. Regardless of anyone's beliefs about what happened in the election, what changes were made to the law, or any other issues; that certificate was, with 100% certainty, the official slate of electors that the state of Arizona submitted. There was no reason to challenge it as being anything other than that.

    A ceremonial objection to go on the record of having a problem with voter suppression (as in 2016), to highlight problems with the voting process (2004), or to address faithless electors (1968) are a completely different matter. Had a single member of congress objected to one of these states because of questions of the laws, and allowed the count to move on, there would be no issue.

    But, these elected officials forced a debate that they knew would be a waste of time, not to make a point about election security, but simply to please the rabid individuals who support Trump; so that they will not face the wrath of those individuals.
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    Thanks, I was ignorant to the past and how this ceremony/ procedure is supposed to work.
     
    @DaveXA -

    But they broke down four fences and were standing on the steps for a while before they breeched the building. They should have been stopped the first time they destroyed a fence. Hundreds shouldn’t have been within 100 yards of the door. Anyone that broke through that first fence should have been tackled, tased, and or shot with pepper balls. If Anyone made it inside the front door they should have been shot with live rounds as they broke in. Just like any other terrorist threatening the Capitol. These were cowards that were emboldend. You shoot one of them the rest will pee their cosplay uniform and go back to their trailers or mom’s basement.

    They were let in.
     
    SystemShock said:
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    Que?
     
    Good to know he's not a thief
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    After a day of chaos in D.C., a photo of a man casually sitting in Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi's office with his boots propped up on her desk has gone viral.

    WUSA9's sister station in Arkansas interviewed the man seen in the photo, and identified him as Richard Barnett of Gravette, Arkansas.

    Shortly after President Trump addressed his supporters vowing "never to concede" the election in a speech on the Ellipse, rioters stormed the Capitol breaking all police barricades and breaching the building, including Senate chambers.

    Barnett said he traveled to Washington to hear the president speak, and was pushed inside the Capitol when rioters broke through the doors. He said he found Pelosi's office sometime later, carried a flag inside and left her a note, before being removed by Capitol Police.

    "I threw my feet up on the desk at that point," Barnett told 5NEWS. "I realized some a**holes had cut me also and I bled on her envelope. So I picked up the envelope and put it in my pocket, and I put a quarter on the desk cause I'm not a thief." ................

    'I bled on her envelope' | Viral photo shows Trump supporter with his feet up on Nancy Pelosi's desk (msn.com)

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    Richard Barnett, who posed at Pelosi desk, said in Facebook he is prepared for violent death - The Washington Post
     
    DaveXA said:
    I get what you're saying, but shooting hundreds of people rushing the Capitol was never going to be an option unless they were armed. They shot and killed one unarmed woman in the Capitol. It could have been a whole lot worse, but, they should have never been allowed into the Capitol to begin with. This was a failure of the police to secure the Capitol before those people got there. This didn't have to happen.

    Hopefully they'll be more proactive going forward until after the inauguration.
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    The idiot that sat at Pelosi's desk literally posted on facebook that he was ready for violent death. Then they rolled out the red carpet for him. Didn't even get a taze. Absolutely pathetic preparation and response. Thousands of felons from yesterday just got emboldened and remain at large, with another opportunity for mass terror at the same building in 2 weeks.
     

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