Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (8 Viewers)

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I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.


 
DaveXA said:
Oh no doubt, but of course there were a lot of other questionable things he did. The Lewinsky thing was just a horrific lapse in judgement. Then the whole apology thing, what is "is"...and of course the impeachment circus. It was good theater tho. :hihi:
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Sadly, that theater gave us a corporate sockpuppet named Dubya and the full capitulation of the GOP to the Religious Right.
Instead of the continuation of policies that had us with a Federal surplus, we got tax cuts for the rich a trillion-dollar war in Iraq and deficits my great-grandkids will be paying off.
 
Imagine if the Republicans held Trump to the same standards as they held Bill Clinton to?
The Lewinsky thing aside, they put more into the stuff he most probably was guilty of prior to his presidency, and rightfully so.. But Trump comes along carrying way more sexual/ethical baggage than Bill did, and it isn't even close, but they treat him as some kind of ethical and moral messiah.
 
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Bigdaddysaints said:
Imagine if the Republicans held Trump to the same standards as they held Bill Clinton to?
The Lewinsky thing aside, they put more into the stuff he most probably was guilty of prior to his presidency, and rightfully so.. But Trump comes along carrying way more sexual/ethical baggage than Bill did, and it isn't even close, but they treat him as some kind of ethical and moral messiah.
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Yeah, their hypocrisy knows no bounds. So typical of "rules for thee and not for me".
 
Taurus said:
Sadly, that theater gave us a corporate sockpuppet named Dubya and the full capitulation of the GOP to the Religious Right.
Instead of the continuation of policies that had us with a Federal surplus, we got tax cuts for the rich a trillion-dollar war in Iraq and deficits my great-grandkids will be paying off.
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Yup, I thought, most certainly that Dubya would go down as the worst president in history and then along came the Trumper......I'll never vote Republican again unless the candidate is a true moderate....good luck finding one....

Funny story, was hanging in my friends office at DOL, his office had a full frontal view of the courthouse....Out comes Ken Starr and his assistant with a full hand truck of documents.....the hand truck hits a bump topples over and papers are flying everywhere and Starr is screaming at the poor guy....
 
Crazy to think there are 2 worse presidents than Biden. Trump and W... If there is anything you can say about how clueless Biden is about most things, Trump and W were 2 fold...
 
SFIDC3 said:
Yup, I thought, most certainly that Dubya would go down as the worst president in history and then along came the Trumper......I'll never vote Republican again unless the candidate is a true moderate....good luck finding one....
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When W Bush came along one thing his presidency did was make people look more fondly on Richard Nixon and his administration

During the Trump years, he did the same for W. How many times did people say ‘I’d take Dubya over Trump in a hot second’

God help us if we ever have a president that makes us say, ‘you know, Donald Trump wasn’t that bad’
 
Wonder is we’ll ever find out about what was said during this call gap
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Congressional investigators entering the last stage of their probe are gathering new evidence about a crucial moment on the Jan. 6 timeline: the final, fateful phone call between Donald Trump and Mike Pence before a pro-Trump mob attacked the Capitol.

They’ve had a lot of success on that front — court records and Jan. 6 select committee documents reveal that the panel has obtained significant details about that call. In recent weeks, they’ve learned even more from several high-profile witnesses who were in the Oval Office while Trump berated Pence for refusing to overturn the election.

Yet one crucial gap remains. Top Pence aides say the former vice president was in his residence when the call came in. He then left the room and was out of earshot for 15 to 20 minutes. Those aides told the select committee that Pence never disclosed to them the contents of the conversation. More importantly, Pence’s aides say he never revealed how he replied to Trump’s intense last-minute pressure…….


www.politico.com

Jan. 6 panel piecing together details of final Trump-Pence call

Several Donald Trump allies listened in from the Oval Office, but Mike Pence's side of the call remains elusive.
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Optimus Prime said:
When W Bush came along one thing his presidency did was make people look more fondly on Richard Nixon and his administration

During the Trump years, he did the same for W. How many times did people say ‘I’d take Dubya over Trump in a hot second’

God help us if we ever have a president that makes us say, ‘you know, Donald Trump wasn’t that bad’
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I think you are giving the Republicans too much credit. you should have said
"How long before we have a President that makes us say you know, Donald Trump wasn't that bad.."
 
Remember when Chuck Grassley said the day before Jan.6 that he expected to preside over the joint session? Because he didn’t expect Pence to be there?

 
Between Jan 6 and the multi state voting registrations Meadows is having a rough ti e right now
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White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows was warned before Jan. 6, 2021, about the threat of violence that day as supporters of President Donald Trump planned to mass at the U.S. Capitol, according to new testimony released late Friday by the House committee investigating the insurrection.


One of Meadows’s top aides, Cassidy Hutchinson, told congressional investigators she recalled Anthony Ornato, a senior Secret Service official who also held the role of a political adviser at the White House, “coming in and saying that we had intel reports saying that there could potentially be violence on the 6th.

And Mr. Meadows said: All right. Let’s talk about it.”
Hutchinson added, “I’m not sure if he — what he did with that information internally.”

Those details were in a filing arguing that a federal court should reject Meadows’s claims of executive privilege and compel him to appear before the House Jan. 6 committee, which is continuing to build a case that Trump knowingly misled his followers about the election, and pressured Pence to break the law in the weeks and hours before the assault.


In the motion, the committee outlines seven “discrete categories of information” about which it seeks to question Meadows and argues that his claims of executive privilege should not preclude his testifying about those matters……

Those categories of information include testimony and documents relating to communications with members of Congress; the plan to replace acting attorney general Jeffrey Rosen with Justice Department official Jeffrey Clark; efforts by Trump to “direct, persuade or pressure then Vice President Mike Pence to unilaterally refuse to count electoral votes on January 6th”; and activity in the White House “immediately before and during the events of January 6th.”…….

 
Bigdaddysaints said:
Imagine if the Republicans held Trump to the same standards as they held Bill Clinton to?
The Lewinsky thing aside, they put more into the stuff he most probably was guilty of prior to his presidency, and rightfully so.. But Trump comes along carrying way more sexual/ethical baggage than Bill did, and it isn't even close, but they treat him as some kind of ethical and moral messiah.
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i don't think they treat him as anything else than a person who was able to tap into not-so-hidden feelings and move the masses, saying the things others in the GOP didn't dare saying.
 
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Meadows is in this up to his neck
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CNN has obtained 2,319 text messages that former President Donald Trump's White House chief of staff Mark Meadows sent and received between Election Day 2020 and President Joe Biden's January 20, 2021 inauguration.

The vast trove of texts offers the most revealing picture to date of how Trump's inner circle, supporters and Republican lawmakers worked behind the scenes to try to overturn the election results and then reacted to the violence that effort unleashed at the US Capitol on January 6, 2021.

The logs, which Meadows selectively provided to the House committee investigating the January 6 attack, show how the former chief of staff was at the nexus of sprawling conspiracy theories baselessly claiming the election had been stolen. They also demonstrate how he played a key role in the attempts to stop Biden's certification on January 6.

The never-before-seen texts include messages from Trump's family -- daughter Ivanka Trump, son-in-law Jared Kushner and son Donald Trump Jr. -- as well as White House and campaign officials, Cabinet members, Republican Party leaders, January 6 rally organizers, Rudy Giuliani, My Pillow CEO Mike Lindell, Sean Hannity and other Fox hosts.

There are also text exchanges with more than 40 current and former Republican members of Congress, including Sen. Ted Cruz of Texas and Reps. Jim Jordan of Ohio, Mo Brooks of Alabama and Marjorie Taylor Greene of Georgia.............

 
sounds about right
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Leaked text messages have shown how Jason Miller, a one-time aide to former President Donald Trump, had proposed a strategy to help Trump deflect anger over January 6 Capitol riot — even as the event was taking place.

On Monday, CNN published a text sent by Miller to Mark Meadows, Trump's White House chief of staff, at around 3.45 p.m. on January 6, 2021.

"Call me crazy, but ideas for two tweets from POTUS: 1) Bad apples, likely ANTIFA or other crazed leftists, infiltrated today's peaceful protest over the fraudulent vote count. Violence is never acceptable! MAGA supporters embrace our police and the rule of law and should leave the Capitol now!" read the text from Miller.

2) The fake news media who encouraged this summer's violent and radical riots are now trying to blame peaceful and innocent MAGA supporters for violent actions," Miller continued. "This isn't who we are! Our people should head home and let the criminals suffer the consequences!"........

 
I thought these were tough guys

abcnews.go.com

Oath Keeper emotional as he accepts 2nd plea deal in Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy case

Federal prosecutors on Friday secured a second guilty plea with a member of the Oath Keepers militia group charged in the government's Jan. 6 seditious conspiracy case.
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As D.C. district judge Amit Mehta read off the terms of his plea, Ulrich became emotional, his voice cracking as Mehta described the potential time in prison he could face at sentencing.

Mehta at one point asked Ulrich if he wanted to take a break to compose himself.

"It's not going to get any easier," Ulrich responded.

He could be heard weeping over the teleconference line several times through the remainder of the hearing.
 
I'd say that the fact that these politicians still have their jobs but the GOP looks to regain the House and Senate is unbelievable but it's really not

We'll see if anything comes of or changes with the public hearings next month
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WASHINGTON (AP) — Rioters who smashed their way into the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021, succeeded — at least temporarily — in delaying the certification of Joe Biden’s election to the White House.

Hours before, Rep. Jim Jordan had been trying to achieve the same thing.

Texting with then-White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, a close ally and friend, at nearly midnight on Jan. 5, Jordan offered a legal rationale for what President Donald Trump was publicly demanding — that Vice President Mike Pence, in his ceremonial role presiding over the electoral count, somehow assert the authority to reject electors from Biden-won states.

Pence “should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all,” Jordan wrote.

"I have pushed for this," Meadows replied. “Not sure it is going to happen.”

The text exchange, in an April 22 court filing from the congressional panel investigating the Jan. 6 riot, is in a batch of startling evidence that shows the deep involvement of some House Republicans in Trump’s desperate attempt to stay in power. A review of the evidence finds new details about how, long before the attack on the Capitol unfolded, several GOP lawmakers were participating directly in Trump's campaign to reverse the results of a free and fair election.

It's a connection that members of the House Jan. 6 committee are making explicit as they prepare to launch public hearings in June. The Republicans plotting with Trump and the rioters who attacked the Capitol were aligned in their goals, if not the mob's violent tactics, creating a convergence that nearly upended the nation's peaceful transfer of power..........

 
Trump to Jan 6th Insurrectionists - You're very special, we love you

Trump on George Floyd Protestors - Can't you just shoot them?
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Former President Donald Trump angrily demanded to know why he couldn't order the U.S. military to shoot protestors who filled streets around the White House in June 2020 in the aftermath of George Floyd's murder.

That's the explosive revelation contained in former Defense Secretary Mark Esper's soon-to-be-released memoir, according to Mike Allen of Axios.

In "A Sacred Oath," Esper confirms previous reporting that in multiple Oval Office meetings during the civil unrest, Trump suggested invoking the Insurrection Act to put U.S. military troops on the streets to quell violence. Esper opposed the move.

Esper describes a meeting in the first week of June, 2020 as "surreal, sitting in front of the Resolute desk, inside the Oval Office, with this idea weighing heavily in the air, and the president red faced and complaining loudly about the protests under way in Washington, D.C."

"Can't you just shoot them? Just shoot them in the legs or something?" Trump asked, according to the former defense secretary.

"The good news — this wasn't a difficult decision," Esper continues. "The bad news — I had to figure out a way to walk Trump back without creating the mess I was trying to avoid."............

 

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