Trump loyalists in Congress to challenge Electoral College results in Jan. 6 joint session (Update: Insurrectionists storm Congress)(And now what?) (31 Viewers)

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I guess it's time to start a thread for this. We know that at least 140 members of Congress have pledged to join the objection. Under federal law, if at least one member of each house (HOR and Senate) objects, each house will adjourn the joint session for their own session (limited at two hours) to take up the objection. If both houses pass a resolution objecting to the EC result, further action can take place. If both houses do not (i.e. if one or neither passes a resolution), the objection is powerless and the college result is certified.

Clearly this is political theater as we know such a resolution will not pass the House, and there's good reason to think it wouldn't pass the Senate either (with or without the two senators from Georgia). The January 6 joint session is traditionally a ceremonial one. This one will not be.

Many traditional pillars of Republican support have condemned the plan as futile and damaging. Certainly the Trump loyalists don't care - and many are likely doing it for fundraising purposes or to carry weight with the fraction of their constituencies that think this is a good idea.


 
coldseat said:
I think there are direct financial entanglements for Virginia Thomas in her advocacy on behalf of Trump. She is clearly a true believer, but she was also getting paid in her role as a political activist by some of the dark money groups to lobby on behalf of Trump to overturn the election.
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Perhaps but without something objectively demonstrable, like ownership in a company or some known financial contractual right, it's mere allegation that would require investigation.

I suppose I wouldn't be surprised to see the House Judiciary Committee open something.
 
An investigation into Thomas only happens if the House doesn’t fall into R hands after November. If it does, we will instead see 27 investigations into Hunter’s laptop, which doesn’t exist and is merely a bunch of hacked computer files at this point.
 
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GrandAdmiral said:
I remember hearing that the recusal guidelines applied to every court but SCOTUS and that's why Thomas does what he does. Did I hear wrong?
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Specifically Federal courts, yes. You heard right.

That said, this is a case where Thomas should have recused himself as a matter of principle. That he didn't isn't terribly surprising though.
 
DaveXA said:
How does a Federal Court in California have jurisdiction in the Jan 6th case? I'm confused about the relevance and whether this ruling is valid.
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Eastman lives in California, so I'm assuming that's where he filed his challenge to the subpoena for documents from the House Select committee.

The determination from U.S. District Court Judge David O. Carter came in a ruling addressing scores of sensitive emails that Trump ally and conservative lawyer John Eastman had resisted turning over to the House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 riot and related efforts to overturn the 2020 presidential election result.
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Eastman wrote key legal memos aimed at denying Democrat Joe Biden’s victory. The judge was assessing whether Eastman’s communications were protected by attorney-client privilege and was analyzing in part whether Eastman, Trump and others had consulted about the commission of a crime.
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also:

The House select committee investigating the Jan. 6 insurrection at the U.S. Capitol on Monday referred two more former Trump administration officials for criminal charges for their refusal to testify.

The committee voted 9-0 in favor of referring criminal charges for former Trump White House aides Dan Scavino Jr. and Peter Navarro. That recommendation will now be sent to the full House of Representatives for a vote. If that vote passes, the referral would be passed on to the Justice Department.
 
Also just saw that Jared will speak to the committee
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CNN) - Former President Donald Trump's attempt to steal the 2020 election is being revealed week-by-week to be deeper and broader than it initially appeared, sharpening the national dilemma of if and how he could ever be held to account.

Even as a federal judge commented Monday that Trump "more likely than not" sought to commit a crime to stay in office last year, the ex-President's attacks on democracy are intensifying.

They were on display as recently as Saturday night in a lie-filled rally that underscored how his conspiracy to overturn the election -- whether it is criminal or not -- remains viscerally alive and able to damage future elections.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/29/politics/trump-2020-election-investigation-analysis/index.html
 
I'm actually baffled that Trump hasn't been indicted/charged with insurrection, obstruction and whatever else. 7+ hours where his communications were unmonitored. There's nothing about that that makes sense. From what I'm aware, at least 3 officials are on record as speaking with him during that gap.

I sure hope the committee can make this sheet stick. Trump should be in jail.
 
More on the gap
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An 18½-minute gap in President Richard M. Nixon’s Oval Office tapes fueled suspicions of a Watergate coverup and remains one of the most infamous symbols of White House malfeasance.

A gap of seven hours and 37 minutes in President Donald Trump’s White House phone logs might be even more ignoble.

The Post’s Bob Woodward and CBS News’s Robert Costa revealed Tuesday that the White House call records turned over to the House committee investigating the Jan. 6, 2021, attack are stunningly incomplete, showing no calls between 11:17 a.m. and 6:54 p.m. — that is, when a pro-Trump mob smashed its way into the Capitol.

But Mr. Trump was not incommunicado. Voluminous reporting established long ago that he reached out to Sen. Tommy Tuberville (R-Ala.) and spoke with House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) during this period.


Did Mr. Trump or his aides purge the records, or did the then-president avoid using official channels to skirt record-keeping? In either case, how — and why?

The White House records gap underlines questions about who else Mr. Trump spoke with, or tried to, and what he said.

These are not idle questions.

They speak to Mr. Trump’s state of mind as he failed to call off the mob he had riled up that morning.

Did he hope that the violence would intimidate then-Vice President Mike Pence into attempting to illegally overturn the 2020 presidential election results?

Did he expect this to occur as he told his throngs to “show strength” that morning, or did he welcome the violence after it started?……

 
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…..Here are three big takeaways:


The noncooperation of Trump’s allies makes this story worse.


We already know Trump spoke to many key players by phone while the violence unfolded, thanks to dogged reporting and the Jan. 6 committee’s investigation thus far.


For instance, House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) pleaded with Trump to call off the rioters, to no avail. White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows urged Trump to do the same and was with or near Trump throughout that period.


Calls such as these are among those that should be in the phone logs but aren’t. The Post reports that the committee is investigating whether Trump used burner phones during that period, but whatever we learn on that front, this whole story is made worse by the fact that those key players are refusing to cooperate with the committee.

Here’s why: What’s at issue is how Trump reacted in real time as the violence unfolded. We know he reportedly watched it on TV with relish and refused multiple entreaties to issue a public statement calming the violence.


But it’s also likely Trump came to see the violence as helpful to intimidating his vice president, Mike Pence, and possibly lawmakers as well, into executing the scheme of delaying the electoral count.

Trump reportedly called at least one GOP senator to press him for help delaying the count while the violence raged, another call that isn’t in the logs.


“He was using the leverage of the violent insurrection to keep the inside political coup against Pence going,” Rep. Jamie B. Raskin (D-Md.), a member of the Jan. 6 committee, told me…….

The Jan. 6 committee may already have records of missing calls.


It’s not clear why the phone logs are missing records of that seven-hour period — the committee is investigating this as well — and truthfully, the explanation might not end up being scandalous.


But either way, the committee might be able to confirm many of Trump’s calls during that period, anyway, and indeed might already have done so……

 
First time seeing this. Good
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The Justice Department’s proposed budget for fiscal year 2023 includes $34 million to hire 80 attorneys for the investigation into the Jan. 6 insurrection.

The department has already brought more than 750 cases, and Deputy Attorney General Lisa Monaco made clear at a news briefing on Monday that the department is not stopping there.


“The Jan. 6 investigation is among the most wide-ranging and most complex that this department has ever undertaken," Monaco said.

“It reaches nearly every U.S. attorney’s office, nearly every FBI field office.”
Lack of money won’t slow the department down.

Monaco reiterated, “Regardless of whatever resources we seek or get, let’s be very, very clear: We are going to continue to do those cases.”

She added, “We are going to hold those perpetrators accountable, no matter where the facts lead us, [and] as the attorney general has said, no matter at what level. We will do those cases.”……

 

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