Trump floats claims for Canada, Greenland, and the Panama Canal (Update: Trump wants Gaza too) (3 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Oh, but he's only joking - well, maybe, so they say. Or sort of joking with Canada, and maybe not joking with Greenland - saying that "ownership and control of Greenland is an absolute necessity" doesn't sound like a joke . . . and um, not sure about what the about Panama Canal thing is?

Trump Jokes Canada Becoming 51st US State 'A Great Idea'

www.barrons.com

Trump threatens to try to take back the Panama Canal. Panama's president balks at the suggestion

Trump didn't explain how such a takeover would be possible, given that the U.S. relinquished control of the canal to Panama in 1999 under a treaty signed by President Jimmy Carter in 1977.

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[bird]

There are estimates of large amounts of oil/oil equivalents and natural gas offshore of Greenland. That being said the environmental conditions are such as to make development very unlikely due to fluctuation of the price of oil and the impact on profitability.

Profitability is the primary driver for the private sector.

In addition, fishing is a critical industry for Greenland and the potential negative impact of development is an important consideration.

As for the reality of Trump’s stupidity? It cannot be dismissed. We know he is mentally unstable. Instability has not stopped authoritarians in the past. It is important to be able to do more than one thing at a time in dealing with Trump. This is just one of many issues that have to be dealt with. Hell’s bells, Empty Greene introduced some sort of kabuki legislation about renaming the Gulf of Mexico. MAGA is unhinged children. Just because they are unhinged doesn’t mean we can ignore them.

 

[Dragon]

There are estimates of large amounts of oil/oil equivalents and natural gas offshore of Greenland. That being said the environmental conditions are such as to make development very unlikely due to fluctuation of the price of oil and the impact on profitability.

Profitability is the primary driver for the private sector.

In addition, fishing is a critical industry for Greenland and the potential negative impact of development is an important consideration.

As for the reality of Trump’s stupidity? It cannot be dismissed. We know he is mentally unstable. Instability has not stopped authoritarians in the past. It is important to be able to do more than one thing at a time in dealing with Trump. This is just one of many issues that have to be dealt with. Hell’s bells, Empty Greene introduced some sort of kabuki legislation about renaming the Gulf of Mexico. MAGA is unhinged children. Just because they are unhinged doesn’t mean we can ignore them.

Oil maybe interesting but gold, diamonds, Uranium and rare earth minerals are far more interesting for most of his rich supporters. There are several known deposits that the local government on Greenland has denied extraction licensing rights to and Trump and his backers really want those. While Trump may not understand the value of rare earth minerals he sure understand gold and diamonds.

 

[superchuck500]

lol

 

[Dragon]

lol

DR is the national danish broadcasting channel. If they claim that - then that is 100% true. They are the danish version of BBC.

And the person that has been mostly featured in the US news are mostly known as one of the biggest illegal drug sellers in Greenland and have spend years in jail due to that

 

[coldseat]

lol

On the rare times that I see Junior saying anything on TV, he always looks like he's tweaking on something. Dude just never looks or sounds normal.

 

[bird]

lol

And this surprises us how?

 

[bird]

Oil maybe interesting but gold, diamonds, Uranium and rare earth minerals are far more interesting for most of his rich supporters. There are several known deposits that the local government on Greenland has denied extraction licensing rights to and Trump and his backers really want those. While Trump may not understand the value of rare earth minerals he sure understand gold and diamonds.

Yeah, and he probably figures he is entitled to a cut.

 

[superchuck500]

 

[fooferdoggie]

I am sure they are shaking in their boots. well with laughter as they know how terrifs work and Trump does not.

 

[superchuck500]

Interesting piece here

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/01/10/nuuk-greenland-trump-denmark-00197070

 

[Dragon]

Boesen is a well known figure in Greenland. An opportunist and prior politician who tried to unseat the two traditional parties with promises of international support and failed.

The latest oppinion survey shows that the greenlander majority do not trust Trump or the US in general when it comes to protecting the environment. There has been too many cases where the opposite is the case, as Boesen also admitted and they know that no matter what Trump promise, it will be no where near what they are currently recieving from Denmark

 

[RobF]

Boesen is a well known figure in Greenland. An opportunist and prior politician who tried to unseat the two traditional parties with promises of international support and failed.

The latest oppinion survey shows that the greenlander majority do not trust Trump or the US in general when it comes to protecting the environment. There has been too many cases where the opposite is the case, as Boesen also admitted and they know that no matter what Trump promise, it will be no where near what they are currently recieving from Denmark

I think the major danger for Greenland is that a campaign is fought and won on not being under Denmark, with the alternative being defined only by, let's say, fuzzy wishful thinking. Which is an approach that can be, and it pains me to say it, successful - see, Brexit. The (accurate) criticism about how the magical alternative future of independence couldn't possibly be anywhere near as great as it's being portrayed gets dismissed as negativity, no-one knows the future, etc., etc.

I was thinking that when I saw a similar, but not as substantial as the Politico one, article in the Guardian today - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/10/greenland-views-donald-trump-advances . Plenty of sane, sensible, views there, but there's also things like this: "I hope Trump will make a better agreement with us than the current one we have with Denmark, and most importantly, see us as equal partners."

That's just, no. Of course that's not going to happen. And to be fair to the person being quoted, they do go on to say, "There is [however] always the concern that we will be worse off, that us native Greenlanders will be put in reserves, that we won’t be able to have any say in our own country and that we won’t be able to finally get our independence." But it's that "I hope <something that is just never ever going to happen>" part that gets exploited.

 

[bird]

I think the major danger for Greenland is that a campaign is fought and won on not being under Denmark, with the alternative being defined only by, let's say, fuzzy wishful thinking. Which is an approach that can be, and it pains me to say it, successful - see, Brexit. The (accurate) criticism about how the magical alternative future of independence couldn't possibly be anywhere near as great as it's being portrayed gets dismissed as negativity, no-one knows the future, etc., etc.

I was thinking that when I saw a similar, but not as substantial as the Politico one, article in the Guardian today - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/10/greenland-views-donald-trump-advances . Plenty of sane, sensible, views there, but there's also things like this: "I hope Trump will make a better agreement with us than the current one we have with Denmark, and most importantly, see us as equal partners."

That's just, no. Of course that's not going to happen. And to be fair to the person being quoted, they do go on to say, "There is [however] always the concern that we will be worse off, that us native Greenlanders will be put in reserves, that we won’t be able to have any say in our own country and that we won’t be able to finally get our independence." But it's that "I hope <something that is just never ever going to happen>" part that gets exploited.

In any dealing with Trump the correct position for the counterparty to take is extreme paranoia.

 

[coldseat]

If the people of Greenland need any advice on how Trump would treat them, just look at how he treats Puerto Rico. They would essentially be in the same boat. Hell, look at how he treats California and any state where the people don't fawn over him the way red states do.

Not really understanding why they would even entertain the idea. Ignore Trump and America and keep on doing your own thing. That would be my advice to all of the world, including our "allies". Don't look this way for leadership, help, guidance or support, we will only take advantage of you under a Trump administration. Do the same with Elon and ban his twitter app in your country. You will be better for it.

 

[Dragon]

If the people of Greenland need any advice on how Trump would treat them, just look at how he treats Puerto Rico. They would essentially be in the same boat. Hell, look at how he treats California and any state where the people don't fawn over him the way red states do.

Not really understanding why they would even entertain the idea. Ignore Trump and America and keep on do your own thing. That would be my advice to all of the world, including our "allies". Don't look this way for leadership, help, guidance or support, we will only take advantage of you under a Trump administration. Do the same with Elon and ban his twitter app in your country. You will be better for it.

Agreed. Europe is already aware of this, and so are most people in Greenland. Remember, Greenland has actual representation in the Danish Parliament and often plays a critical role as "kingmakers" due to the dynamics of Danish politics. This gives them significant influence. For the past decade, Greenland has had the legal right to pursue independence but has chosen not to, largely because of the substantial benefits they receive from Denmark. These benefits are, in many ways, far better than those enjoyed by U.S. mainland citizens.

No, Europe does not trust Trump or Musk in any way. This is why the EU is moving rapidly toward self-reliance. Trump won't like it, as it means prioritizing German, French, or British military equipment over U.S.-made alternatives. The same applies to oil and gas—the EU is swiftly transitioning to renewable energy sources and striving for self-sufficiency.

 

[horse2H5]

Agreed. Europe is already aware of this, and so are most people in Greenland. Remember, Greenland has actual representation in the Danish Parliament and often plays a critical role as "kingmakers" due to the dynamics of Danish politics. This gives them significant influence. For the past decade, Greenland has had the legal right to pursue independence but has chosen not to, largely because of the substantial benefits they receive from Denmark. These benefits are, in many ways, far better than those enjoyed by U.S. mainland citizens.

No, Europe does not trust Trump or Musk in any way. This is why the EU is moving rapidly toward self-reliance. Trump won't like it, as it means prioritizing German, French, or British military equipment over U.S.-made alternatives. The same applies to oil and gas—the EU is swiftly transitioning to renewable energy sources and striving for self-sufficiency.

Greenland's leader says his people don't want to be Americans as Trump covets territory

The prime minister of the Greenland says the people of his mineral-rich Arctic territory don't want to be Americans but that he's open to greater cooperation with the United States.

apnews.com

COPENHAGEN, Denmark (AP) — Greenland’s prime minister said Friday that the mineral-rich Arctic territory’s people don’t want to be Americans, but that he understands U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s interest in the island given its strategic location and he’s open to greater cooperation with Washington.

The comments from the Greenlandic leader, Múte B. Egede, came after Trump said earlier this week that he wouldn’t rule out using force or economic pressure in order to make Greenland — a semiautonomous territory of Denmark — a part of the United States. Trump said that it was a matter of national security for the U.S.

Egede acknowledged that Greenland is part of the North American continent, and “a place that the Americans see as part of their world.” He said he hasn’t spoken to Trump, but that he’s open to discussions about what “unites us.”

This doesn't sound like he is telling Trump to kick rocks. The art of the deal seems to be working.

 

[MT15]

The art of the deal seems to be working.

Could you expound on all the past times that Trump has negotiated masterful deals?

 

[horse2H5]

Could you expound on all the past times that Trump has negotiated masterful deals?

That is a loaded question. Is your stance that Trump doesn't know how to negotiate? If it is, any further discussion is futile. I understand you hate the man, but he is a darn good negotiator, even if it is in his best interest.