Trump Election Interference / Falsification of Business Records Criminal Trial (3 Viewers)

[MT15]

I couldn’t find a thread just about this case, and thought we should have one since it’s Trump’s first criminal trial. He has to attend every day, as I understand it. Here is a quick reminder of what it’s about. His former lawyer Michael Cohen already went to prison for his involvement in this case.

 

[fooferdoggie]

Based on her description, and it's consistent with what she's described about the encounter in the past, she was definitely raped. J

what mister innocent committed rape? this is not like the last two or more times of course.

 

[superchuck500]

In the name of accuracy, she testified very specifically that she did not feel threatened or intimidated. She noted that on occasion she checked against his “arrogance” by playfully swatting him with a rolled up magazine. She also did not testify that she did it to try to be on the show - that was only offered as a reason why she took his calls after.

 

[MT15]

Based on her description, and it's consistent with what she's described about the encounter in the past, she was definitely raped. Just because you never say no or stop doesn't mean you weren't raped. She didn't plan on having sex, didn't want sex and felt like she was cornered and didn't have a choice. I mean, I get it, she's a porn star, who is also human and didn't ask for this. This was exactly what Trump meant by Trump saying he could grab a woman by the p... and Stormy even states that guys like Trump can and will do that or something like that to demonstrate that they have the power to do that.

Yeah I’m not sure it meets the definition of rape, she didn’t want to have sex with him, but gave in rather than risk alienating him. It’s not consensual. He dangled an appearance on his TV show, and she sort of thought he might come through with that. I did notice that she never put herself in that position again, though. At least as far as I have heard she never had sex with him again, even though he wanted to.

 

[MT15]

In the name of accuracy, she testified very specifically that she did not feel threatened or intimidated. She noted that on occasion she checked against his “arrogance” by playfully swatting him with a rolled up magazine. She also did not testify that she did it to try to be on the show - that was only offered as a reason why she took his calls after.

Okay - I don’t think it’s rape, but it isn’t exactly consensual either. She testified she blamed herself for getting into that situation, she started at the ceiling and wanted it to be over, she was shaking afterward so hard she had trouble putting her shoes and dress back on, and she couldn’t wait to get out of there. She knew if she refused she would have pissed him off. It’s not consensual sex either.

 

[superchuck500]

Based on her description, and it's consistent with what she's described about the encounter in the past, she was definitely raped. Just because you never say no or stop doesn't mean you weren't raped. She didn't plan on having sex, didn't want sex and felt like she was cornered and didn't have a choice. I mean, I get it, she's a porn star, who is also human and didn't ask for this. This was exactly what Trump meant by Trump saying he could grab a woman by the p... and Stormy even states that guys like Trump can and will do that or something like that to demonstrate that they have the power to do that.

She has said on multiple occasions that it was consensual - just not something she particularly enjoyed. We can get into the psychology of consent but this particular person has always struck me as confident, self-aware, and intelligent. I think feeling like we need re-characterize her experience beyond how she herself characterizes it is dismissive of her.

 

[DaveXA]

In the name of accuracy, she testified very specifically that she did not feel threatened or intimidated. She noted that on occasion she checked against his “arrogance” by playfully swatting him with a rolled up magazine. She also did not testify that she did it to try to be on the show - that was only offered as a reason why she took his calls after.

Now the defense is requesting a mistrial stating that the testimony from Stormy was prejudicial.

 

[DaveXA]

Yeah I’m not sure it meets the definition of rape, she didn’t want to have sex with him, but gave in rather than risk alienating him. It’s not consensual. He dangled an appearance on his TV show, and she sort of thought he might come through with that. I did notice that she never put herself in that position again, though. At least as far as I have heard she never had sex with him again, even though he wanted to.

I don't necessarily disagree with the characterization but I just don't like the idea that a woman is pressured into having sex because the man can and does make her feel obligated to.

 

[DaveXA]

She has said on multiple occasions that it was consensual - just not something she particularly enjoyed. We can get into the psychology of consent but this particular person has always struck me as confident, self-aware, and intelligent. I think feeling like we need re-characterize her experience beyond how she herself characterizes it is dismissive of her.

That's fair. I realize she's not claiming she was raped, but I do think she probably could make the claim. It would be a whole different mess and one difficult to prove. But Trump has had this pattern with multiple women, including the Carroll case, so it's more a big picture, ongoing pattern of taking advantage of women.

Stormy being a confident, self-aware woman is great for her, but others probably wouldn't react the way she did.

 

[MT15]

Stormy being a confident, self-aware woman is great for her, but others probably wouldn't react the way she did.

This would actually make it harder for her to admit it wasn’t consensual, IMO. Women almost always blame themselves for a date rape situation anyway. And she did testify she blamed herself for getting into that situation. Trump and other sexual predators know this about women and take advantage. So even though it isn’t technically rape, he’s still a horrible human for behaving this way.

 

[superchuck500]

That's fair. I realize she's not claiming she was raped, but I do think she probably could make the claim. It would be a whole different mess and one difficult to prove. But Trump has had this pattern with multiple women, including the Carroll case, so it's more a big picture, ongoing pattern of taking advantage of women.

Stormy being a confident, self-aware woman is great for her, but others probably wouldn't react the way she did.

Yeah, by no means am I suggesting that Trump's conduct is any less reprehensible.

 

[DaveXA]

Now the defense is requesting a mistrial stating that the testimony from Stormy was prejudicial.

And predictably, judge says no dice.

 

[MT15]

Here’s the recap, per this tweet

 

[efil4]

one line i took from prosecution questioning was about " Did he express any concern about his wife finding out?"

No.


I wonder if that was done to combat any ability for the defense to frame this hush money about keeping wife from finding out vs election.

 

[superchuck500]

one line i took from prosecution questioning was about " Did he express any concern about his wife finding out?"

No.


I wonder if that was done to combat any ability for the defense to frame this hush money about keeping wife from finding out vs election.

Yes.

I think the facts are pretty clear that Trump didn't try to silence the story for concern about Melania or his family - but you always want to build the record on any element in dispute in the case. Adding her testimony that he entirely dismissed any concern about Melania goes to that point.

 

[efil4]

Here’s the recap, per this tweet

Well dang- he posted to Truth Social early this am about the case/witness an hour before i said "odds on another contempt violation"

but deleted it not an hour later. But it was screenshot

LOL.

"No time for lawyers to prepare" lllloolol. There are only 2 main obvious witnesses in this case. If your attorney didnt prepare for the 2 most obvious, that says more about your attorney than their ability.

 

[MT15]

Wellman says he still talks to GOP strategists. Who knows? I’d like to think they know how awful he is.

 

[coldseat]

Wellman says he still talks to GOP strategists. Who knows? I’d like to think they know how awful he is.

Let's hope we see this play out.

 

[fooferdoggie]

She has said on multiple occasions that it was consensual - just not something she particularly enjoyed.

could not imagine such a thing could be enjoyable from such a creature. thats why he had to buy is last wife.