The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (13 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    Only the GOP would do something like this.


    I see their endgame here, they intend to "lose" ballots they receive from these unofficial drop boxes and then find them after the election in order to create chaos.

    Well, doing this in California doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's not like they can win much outside of a few Republican leaning districts and house seats. I mean, it's stupid what they're doing, but seems pointless from a strategic standpoint.
     
    Well, doing this in California doesn't make a whole lot of sense. It's not like they can win much outside of a few Republican leaning districts and house seats. I mean, it's stupid what they're doing, but seems pointless from a strategic standpoint.
    Indeed, it is stupid but that's the point. They want the chaos. They'll get their people all riled up by saying they have evidence that the radical left has discarded/lost mail-in ballots for trump...and it will work.
     
    Indeed, it is stupid but that's the point. They want the chaos. They'll get their people all riled up by saying they have evidence that the radical left has discarded/lost mail-in ballots for trump...and it will work.

    Eh, it might. But I really don't think it's going to make that much difference. The only people getting riled up will be people who already are enthusiastic Trump supporters. Those votes are already spoken for. Much ado about pretty much nothing when it's all said and done imo.
     
    Indeed, it is stupid but that's the point. They want the chaos. They'll get their people all riled up by saying they have evidence that the radical left has discarded/lost mail-in ballots for trump...and it will work.

    You get your followers to believe that the other side is doing something wrong and all of a sudden the both sides card gets used to excuse wrong doing on your side.
     
    Eh, it might. But I really don't think it's going to make that much difference. The only people getting riled up will be people who already are enthusiastic Trump supporters. Those votes are already spoken for. Much ado about pretty much nothing when it's all said and done imo.

    The difference doesn’t have to come in the ballots in California. The difference can come for many years in the form of turning a blind eye to voter disenfranchisement, corruption, hypocrisy, gerrymandering, you name it and they’ll excuse it with the both sides card.

    I would argue it is the perfect place to pretend to lose votes for Republicans. They have nothing to lose.
     
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    The difference doesn’t have to come in the ballots in California. The difference can come for many years in the form of turning a blind eye to voter disenfranchisement, corruption, hypocrisy, gerrymandering, you name it and they’ll excuse it with the both sides card.

    I would argue it is the perfect place to pretend to lose votes for Republicans. They have nothing to lose.

    Yeah, I don't really know what the point of it is. I suppose maybe they're trying to divert attention from other forms of suppression and disenfranchisement. If that's actually what they're doing, I hope karma finds them.
     
    Just want to shout out Colorado. Not only have we had mail in ballots and drop boxes for years, I just completed the absentee process....completely online.

    I filled out the ballot in pdf form, e-signed it, then uploaded via a special link to a server they sent to my e-mail. A few hours later I got an email from the voter registrar that everything was received and my ballot is counted.

    The whole thing took me about 5 minutes and I did it from the couch. Paperless. Fantastic. I want to vote like this all the time lol.
     
    Early voting began in The People's Republic of Indianastan last Tuesday. I voted yesterday. The line was 45 minutes. I asked the people who were working how busy it had been. They said that there hadn't been a break at any point on any day.
     
    Early voting began in The People's Republic of Indianastan last Tuesday. I voted yesterday. The line was 45 minutes. I asked the people who were working how busy it had been. They said that there hadn't been a break at any point on any day.
    Mississippi has no early voting period. Election Day is gonna be a cluster here.
     
    When did your ballot get marked as received? Mine is received as of last Wednesday but still hasn't been counted yet here in Escambia county.
    Marked the same day.

    I dropped them off on Sunday. Monday was a holiday,.so no update. Then Tuesday morning said received and counted.

    I think Broward is just counting early to get ahead of it. I mean, last time was a national embarrassment.
     
    Only the GOP would do something like this.


    I see their endgame here, they intend to "lose" ballots they receive from these unofficial drop boxes and then find them after the election in order to create chaos.
    If it is illegal, send state troopers to throw them in jail. Anyone else caught doing anything fraudulent would be arrested. How do we know they arent altering any ballots?
     
    I haven't had time to dive into this - can somebody tell me what the hell the CA GOP is doing and why they think they can keep doing it?

     
    I haven't had time to dive into this - can somebody tell me what the hell the CA GOP is doing and why they think they can keep doing it?



    Because no one has called them to task ( aka sued ) yet?

    I mean, if i tell my dog not to dig in the landscape but dont discipline her when i tell her, she gonna dig. lol.

    They are openly attempting to cast doubt in this election cycle.
     
    I haven't had time to dive into this - can somebody tell me what the hell the CA GOP is doing and why they think they can keep doing it?


    This article does a good job explaining it. At quick glance, it looks like a 2016 voter law expansion to allow anyone to deliver a ballot for you (i.e. the designated person didn't have to be a family member), is being perverted. That they are using these collection boxes as a designated entity to 'legally harvest' ballots.


    But in 2016, under Assembly Bill 1921, the state Legislature expanded the law to let any person, not just a family member, return someone’s ballot for them. Assemblywoman Lorena Gonzalez, D-San Diego, who authored the bill, said at the time it would remove another obstacle for voters.

    Paul Mitchell, vice president of California consulting group Political Data Inc., said the law is commonly used for everyday election purposes rather than nefarious political action. While there are instances where organizations will call around and ask voters if they need help delivering their ballot, it’s more commonly used between individuals, he said.

    “It makes it so that my mother isn’t committing a criminal act when she returns the ballot of her elderly neighbor,” Mitchell said. “The pedestrian use of this ballot delivery law is 100 times greater than any kind of organized political campaign’s use of the law.”

    “This is something that just normal people end up using,” Mitchell said.

    Republicans originally opposed ballot collection, saying such practices could open the door for fraud and could give Democrats an unfair advantage.
     

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