The Voting Thread (Procedures, Turnout, Legal Challenges)(Update: Trump to file suit in PA, MI, WI, AZ, NV, GA) (4 Viewers)

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    Lapaz

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    There is a lot of push-back from Trump on voting by mail, but most states allow it, and 1/3 allow it without any excuse. His rationale is that it will lead to vast fraud, but of course that isn't his real reason. His real reason is that he thinks it will be worse for conservatives, but studies have shown that states that have instituted much broader voting by mail haven't had any statistical changes in party voting.



    Although, normally voting by mail doesn't affect party votes, I bet it might this year if we have another resurgence of Covid, because I think the right is much more apt to discount the virus than the left. I know that is why Trump is against it.

    Whether you're left or right wing, expanding mail in votes is the right thing to do to reduce the likelihood of spreading the virus, to expand voter participation, and to make it easier for those that do show up to stay distant. It will also allow any people with susceptibilities to remain safer. I think voting by mail could be made extremely secure by having people vote using traditional postal mail, coupled with requiring a confirmation either by phone, email or text. If done by phone, then voters can provide confirmation that can include confirming their form number. If done by email or text, it can include a picture of their form, and then confirmation that that was their form. Rather than staffers individually calling people, this can be automated by having voters call the number, text the number, or email the address provided to them on their form. A website can even be created with a database of those that have voted, and perhaps a link to allow people to confirm their vote was correctly registered. For people without computers, a site can include a means to access the database over the phone with some confirmation information. These types of systems are used extensively by banks and other sites that need security, so I think they are mature enough to use. We could even use such a site for people to confirm their vote on the day of the election.
     
    Attorney Giuliani says Dominion voting machines in Democrat-run states must be audited | One America News Network (oann.com)

    It's almost like they think if they just keep repeating themselves enough that people will start to believe them. I really think that people who are signing on to this madness shouldn't be seated in Congress. Especially the newly elected freshman Congressmen who are pulling these stunts before they've even been seated. I have zero doubt that GOP leadership would use any and every weapon in their arsenal to show their authority if the shoe were on the other foot.
     
    Attorney Giuliani says Dominion voting machines in Democrat-run states must be audited | One America News Network (oann.com)

    It's almost like they think if they just keep repeating themselves enough that people will start to believe them. I really think that people who are signing on to this madness shouldn't be seated in Congress. Especially the newly elected freshman Congressmen who are pulling these stunts before they've even been seated. I have zero doubt that GOP leadership would use any and every weapon in their arsenal to show their authority if the shoe were on the other foot.

    Rudy must not have gotten the memo that Dominion is about to sue those who have maliciously damaged their business without evidence.
     
    Okay, this lieutenant governor from PA is pretty dagum funny:



    ETA: Here is another sample of his work. I hope he runs against that idiot PA Republican Senator whose name escapes me at the moment. AHA! Pat Toomey. That's his name.



    Man, shoot. I got halfway through the Houston Chronicle article and hit a paywall. They're sneaky letting you get started reading and then force you to pay if you want to finish the rest of whatever you're reading. I have principles and refuse to pay for anything online.
     
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    you know the old saying "if you can't beat them.. change the rules of the game so you can"


    Pennsylvania Republicans are considering ending absentee voting rules they backed a year ago. Georgia’s Senate Republicans say they want to “fix” the state’s election system with new restrictions. Republicans in Wisconsin want to change early-voting procedures. And new rules have been floated in Texas.

    “This appears to be laying the groundwork for what may be a more massive and coordinated voter suppression effort in the new year,” said Kristen Clarke, president of the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. “It is a brazen attempt to undermine and obstruct the progress that has been made in 2020 to make it easier for people to vote amid the pandemic.”
     
    you know the old saying "if you can't beat them.. change the rules of the game so you can"


    Pennsylvania Republicans are considering ending absentee voting rules they backed a year ago. Georgia’s Senate Republicans say they want to “fix” the state’s election system with new restrictions. Republicans in Wisconsin want to change early-voting procedures. And new rules have been floated in Texas.

    “This appears to be laying the groundwork for what may be a more massive and coordinated voter suppression effort in the new year,” said Kristen Clarke, president of the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law. “It is a brazen attempt to undermine and obstruct the progress that has been made in 2020 to make it easier for people to vote amid the pandemic.”
    That or they're just talking it up until their base moves on.
     
    Real “Patriots” turning on Pence, going to just get that out of the way early, lol

     
    That or they're just talking it up until their base moves on.

    I disagree. You look at GA and all the shady stuff that they enacted there that points to voter suppression. I'm specifically thinking of some things that came to light with the Stacey Abrams runoff in 2018. I think if they CAN then they WILL
     
    This is rhetorical.

    Traitor to what?

    They'd likely say the constitution.

    What specifically?
    Right wingers use the constitution the same way faux evangelicals use the Bible. They love to vaguely reference it to support their point, often have little idea what it says, much less what it means, and they ignore the parts they don’t like. Seems like “patriot” simply means anyone who continues to support trump in his bid to overthrow democracy? “Constitution” generally means the document that says Trump is always right.
     

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