The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[SamAndreas]

Ok, here, read for yourself:

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Government-Employment-and-Training-Programs.pdf

Please don't confuse me criticizing the number and efficiency of these programs with me being totally against all such programs.

Well that explains it, you're talking about something like as if you have an open mind about it, when stating along with that confusion, you have now added "with me being totally against all such programs".

There's a serious disconnect logic in that.

To put it another way you got me to barking up the wrong tree. The wrong tree, nothing I would say matters if you're "totally against... ."

I'm going to watch my video show now. It's a "moving picture."

 

[Texan1211]

Test score declines because the money is spend unevenly.

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In Tennessee, where I have lived for four years, the average per-student spending varies significantly, ranging from $10K to $6K depending on the district. Unfortunately, the majority of students are in districts spending less than $7K per student.

Additionally, Tennessee has refused to accept federal funding and comply with regulations from the Department of Education. This refusal has serious consequences, as outlined in a recent report.

And yes, the test scores are poor, but we shouldn't blame the Department of Education for that. The responsibility lies squarely with the Tennessee state government."

https://eu.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2024/01/09/tennessee-senators-report-outlines-risks-of-rejecting-federal-e Here it is again:

Please do provide any and all details how the vaunted Dept. Of Education has made a big difference in educating our children

 

[Dragon]

You keep making points absolutely no one is arguing.
Do you recognize any inefficiency in government, and are just content to accept it?

I recognize that all organizations have areas that could be improved. However, it’s important to note that decreasing funding doesn’t always lead to better service. In many cases, there is a direct correlation between cost-cutting measures and a decline in the quality of service provided.

 

[Texan1211]

Well that explains it, you're talking about something like as if you have an open mind about it, when stating along with that confusion, you have now added "with me being totally against all such programs".

There's a serious disconnect logic in that.

To put it another way you got me to barking up the wrong tree. The wrong tree, nothing I would say matters if you're "totally against... ."

I'm going to watch my video show now. It's a "moving picture."

Oh, great. Thanks for sharing

 

[Texan1211]

I recognize that all organizations have areas that could be improved. However, it’s important to note that decreasing funding doesn’t always lead to better service. In many cases, there is a direct correlation between cost-cutting measures and a decline in the quality of service provided.

Great!!!!!

 

[SamAndreas]

yeah, I am old, but not too old to be unable to recognize inefficiencies in government.

I didn't say anything about inefficiencies. I said you're too old to do anything about it.

Being old is by definition "a state of inefficiency," I will point that fact out. If you're actually able to recognize inefficiencies you would have figured that out by now.

It sounds to me like you're griping about yourself. And you've me drug along with yourself. No reason for it, it's old.

 

[Dragon]

Please do provide any and all details how the vaunted Dept. Of Education has made a big difference in educating our children

I already did that with my post on TN

Great!!!!!

So you think that saving money on childrens education is great ? That is what TN does. IMHO childrens education is the future of this country and a really bad place to save money. But if you in your post about test scores dropping includes states like TN and other red states who has declined funding from DOE, then you are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Texan1211]

I already did that with my post on TN

So you think that saving money on childrens education is great ? That is what TN does. IMHO childrens education is the future of this country and a really bad place to save money. But if you in your post about test scores dropping includes states like TN and other red states who has declined funding from DOE, then you are barking up the wrong tree.

No, I believe wasting money in the name of education is not great. Test scores overall in America have declined, as has our standing in the world. All this with the D of E.

 

[Dragon]

No, I believe wasting money in the name of education is not great. Test scores overall in America have declined, as has our standing in the world. All this with the D of E.

Did you miss the fact that TN actually declined recieving money for education from DOE? And have some horrible test scores. Other red states have done the same so which scores do you actually compare? Source please since you keep asking for that - I believe you should show your sources as well.

 

[superchuck500]

Ok, let's start with the FDA. Personally, I find it rather stupid that it approves drugs which are killing folks, and then allow folks to sue what the feds approved of. To me, that is as stupid and misguided as allowing the sale of cigarettes but allowing folks to sue over what they themselves did willingly. I see no need for the government to have 43+ 'job training' programs. The Department of Education, since its inception, has led America downward in world rankings despite the massive amounts of money spent on "education". That will do for starters.
Are you in favor of government waste?

The FDA has no say whatsoever over who can sue and for what.

The Federal Department of Education is little more than a grant administrator. It's programs are all based on getting federal money to state and local school systems - it doesn't actually run any school systems itself.

I'm also happy to see efficiency brought into the federal executive branch but the ideas and reasons these yahoos are throwing around are mostly misplaced - many of which are substantially misguided and ultimately just stupid.

 

[Optimus Prime]

FBI Director Christopher Wray told employees at an internal town hall on Wednesday that he is resigning, according to sources familiar with the meeting.

He said he is stepping down at the end of the current Biden administration.

"After weeks of careful thought, I've decided the right thing for the Bureau is for me to serve until the end of the current administration in January and then step down. My goal is to keep the focus on our mission -- the indispensable work you're doing on behalf of the American people every day. In my view, this is the best way to avoid dragging the Bureau deeper into the fray, while reinforcing the values and principles that are so important to how we do our work," he said in his remarks.

"It should go without saying, but I'll say it anyway -- this is not easy for me. I love this place, I love our mission, and I love our people -- but my focus is, and always has been, on us and doing what's right for the FBI," he said.

"When you look at where the threats are headed, it's clear that the importance of our work --  keeping Americans safe and upholding the Constitution -- will not change. And what absolutely cannot, must not change is our commitment to doing the right thing, the right way, every time. Our adherence to our core values, our dedication to independence and objectivity, and our defense of the rule of law -- those fundamental aspects of who we are must never change," he said.............

Trump reacted to the news shortly after in a statement railing against Wray and praising Patel, who was on Capitol Hill Wednesday to shore up support among Republican senators.

"The resignation of Christopher Wray is a great day for America as it will end the Weaponization of what has become known as the United States Department of Injustice," Trump wrote on his social media platform. "I just don't know what happened to him. We will now restore the Rule of Law for all Americans."

Trump specifically took aim at the Justice Department's investigations against him by special counsel Jack Smith.

"Under the leadership of Christopher Wray, the FBI illegally raided my home, without cause, worked diligently on illegally impeaching and indicting me, and has done everything else to interfere with the success and future of America," Trump wrote. "They have used their vast powers to threaten and destroy many innocent Americans, some of which will never be able to recover from what has been done to them."...........

'Great day for America': Trump lauds Chris Wray resigning as FBI director

Trump initially appointed Wray and plans to replace him with Kash Patel.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Acceptance of mediocrity is promoting it.

We are the richest most powerful nation in the history of man. If that’s mediocrity I can’t imagine what success looks like. There’s a segment of society so spoiled by how good we have it that they have to pretend this is mediocrity to create a make believe burden for themselves.

It’s not perfect. It never will be. Having conversations about efficiency wet dreams doesn’t change reality. Nothing this big has ever or will ever be efficient. It’s impossible

 

[bird]

Ok, let's start with the FDA. Personally, I find it rather stupid that it approves drugs which are killing folks, and then allow folks to sue what the feds approved of. To me, that is as stupid and misguided as allowing the sale of cigarettes but allowing folks to sue over what they themselves did willingly. I see no need for the government to have 43+ 'job training' programs. The Department of Education, since its inception, has led America downward in world rankings despite the massive amounts of money spent on "education". That will do for starters.
Are you in favor of government waste?

Let us start with the department of education. The Dover Bd of Ed case gives lie to the myth that local control is always better. You want better education? Keep religion out of schools. Eliminate vouchers because they are a failure. Support teachers. Parents DO NOT KNOW what is best just because they are parents. If they are untrained they certainly do not know. The rise of private schools and vouchers draws directly from backlash to Brown v Bd of Ed.

Government doesn’t need 43 training programs? What are the 43 training programs and what is the end result of those going through those training programs?

FDA approval is very interesting. Read Dreamland by Sam Quinones which gives a lot of insight into something the country is still dealing with which is the so-called opioid crisis. The root cause of it was a single line in a paper published back in the ‘70’s, iirc, which stated that opiate painkillers were not addictive IN A CLINICAL SITUATION. The pharmaceutical companies ignored the clinical situation caveat. Drug companies use reams of government research to develop drugs and then birch about regulation. Remember Thalidomide? Drug companies do not care beyond profit.

As for cigarettes? Tobacco companies lied. They lied everywhere and to everyone that they could. They deliberately made cigarettes more addictive.

So, the actual problem is that there is no definition of government waste. No definition that results in increased efficiency. The only definition is that some people don’t like something. That isn’t about waste or inefficiency. That is about preference. The private sector has yet to prove it is more efficient and it has had multiple opportunities to do so.

 

[bird]

I prefer to let employers train their own workers whenever possible. If the feds are training folks in 43 different trades, then that is too many.

How many companies have training programs? How many companies attempt to lock employees into non-complete agreements? Why is training by government bad but training by private sector good? Again, this is preference. It is not evidence of efficiency or inefficiency or waste.

 

[TampaJoe]

Punners delight, It adds another layer to the many symbolic meanings of "grease".

 

[Texan1211]

Did you miss the fact that TN actually declined recieving money for education from DOE? And have some horrible test scores. Other red states have done the same so which scores do you actually compare? Source please since you keep asking for that - I believe you should show your sources as well.

Miss it? Nope.
I haven't said one word about Tennessee or any particular state. I have been referencing our test scores in relation to the rest of the world, some of which spend far less than us but are getting better results. Is this so important to you to be able to blame red states?

 

[Texan1211]

How many companies have training programs? How many companies attempt to lock employees into non-complete agreements? Why is training by government bad but training by private sector good? Again, this is preference. It is not evidence of efficiency or inefficiency or waste.

Gee, many companies have training programs. A non-compete agreement has nothing whatsoever to do with government training jobs and unnecessary government spending.

 

[Texan1211]

We are the richest most powerful nation in the history of man. If that’s mediocrity I can’t imagine what success looks like. There’s a segment of society so spoiled by how good we have it that they have to pretend this is mediocrity to create a make believe burden for themselves.

It’s not perfect. It never will be. Having conversations about efficiency wet dreams doesn’t change reality. Nothing this big has ever or will ever be efficient. It’s impossible

Well, let's stick to what I have written, which to my knowledge,, the words that government job training was bad never were written. Isn't that what a strawman argument===arguing stuff I haven't even said, and then trying to get me to defend what you invented?
No one is asking for perfection. I consider it a worthy goal for government to be more efficient. I sure wish everyone could see some benefit from it instead of cheering on the status quo. How do you think we got trillions in debt?