The Trump Cabinet and key post thread (5 Viewers)

[superchuck500]

Surely to be a clown show. We know that RFK certainly thinks he’s getting nominated for HHS, which includes FDA.

 

[Texan1211]

Public schools in many states have been badly underfunded for years, prioritizing test performance over teaching students how to learn effectively. Compared to Europe, the U.S. school system falls short—and I can say this with confidence, having been a student in both systems. No, you do not spend 'massive' amounts on each student. In fact, you spend far less per student compared to European schools. Additionally, there are huge disparities in funding across districts, with poorer areas being severely underfunded and starved of resources

Actually and more importantly, factually, we do spend a lot on students.

OECD: expenditure per student on education 2020 | Statista

Out of the OECD countries, Luxembourg was the country that spent the most on educational institutions per full-time student in 2020.

www.statista.com

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2019/10/education-spending-highest-school-brazil-chile-italy-mexico/

 

[Texan1211]

Different trades need different programs. Simple as that

I prefer to let employers train their own workers whenever possible. If the feds are training folks in 43 different trades, then that is too many.

 

[fooferdoggie]

I hope to see some meaningful reforms to some govt. agencies. While recognizing the need for some of these departments, I can't just ignore the inefficiencies of some of them.

Do you think the guy who could not run one successful business bankrupted 6 3 casinos and had countless failed businesses will make anything efficient???

 

[Dragon]

Actually and more importantly, factually, we do spend a lot on students.

OECD: expenditure per student on education 2020 | Statista

Out of the OECD countries, Luxembourg was the country that spent the most on educational institutions per full-time student in 2020.

www.statista.com

https://www.weforum.org/stories/2019/10/education-spending-highest-school-brazil-chile-italy-mexico/

The major difference between the U.S. and Europe lies in the cost of college education. Additionally, the expense per student in primary and secondary schools varies significantly across the U.S., depending on geographic location. In contrast, education in the EU is applied more uniformly. While some schools in the U.S. spend substantial amounts on their students, a large portion of schools spend far less—sometimes even less than schools in Mexico

 

[Texan1211]

Different trades need different programs. Simple as that

Why ignore my question? Would it not be beneficial to have fewer administrators running these multitude of job training programs? Would that not be cost efficient?

 

[Saint by the Bay]

Well, then, I guess we are forever doomed to massive waste in government. Sorry, I won't be accepting that must be the only way for government to be. Can you see absolutely no benefit from government streamlining and merging programs where possible, saving taxpayer dollars?

I certainly see value in it, but not in the juvenile thoughts, beliefs, and approaches around it. I also know that there has always been and will always be severe waste in institutions of this size and scope regardless of who wants to accept it or not. Children need acceptance, not reality. Reality exists no matter how many people don't accept it.

 

[Texan1211]

I certainly see value in it, but not in the juvenile thoughts, beliefs, and approaches around it. I also know that there has always been and will always be severe waste in institutions of this size and scope regardless of who wants to accept it or not. Children need acceptance, not reality. Reality exists no matter how many people don't accept it.

Acceptance of mediocrity is promoting it.

 

[Dragon]

I prefer to let employers train their own workers whenever possible. If the feds are training folks in 43 different trades, then that is too many.

Employers often refuse to invest in job training programs, and when they do, they sometimes require employees to repay the costs if they leave for a better job. This practice effectively traps employees in a form of servitude, limiting their mobility and career growth.

 

[Texan1211]

The major difference between the U.S. and Europe lies in the cost of college education. Additionally, the expense per student in primary and secondary schools varies significantly across the U.S., depending on geographic location. In contrast, education in the EU is applied more uniformly. While some schools in the U.S. spend substantial amounts on their students, a large portion of schools spend far less—sometimes even less than schools in Mexico

Please do provide any and all details how the vaunted Dept. Of Education has made a big difference in educating our children, and then explain why test scores declined.

 

[SamAndreas]

Ok, let's start with the FDA. Personally, I find it rather stupid that it approves drugs which are killing folks, and then allow folks to sue what the feds approved of. To me, that is as stupid and misguided as allowing the sale of cigarettes but allowing folks to sue over what they themselves did willingly. I see no need for the government to have 43+ 'job training' programs. The Department of Education, since its inception, has led America downward in world rankings despite the massive amounts of money spent on "education". That will do for starters.
Are you in favor of government waste?

I don't think you have any idea about numbers of job training programs our government has, or needs. Talking about 43 of them certainly doesn't even begin.

I would think our federal government currently has thousands of them. Each one different, each one created to fulfill a specific need. And they are created under several different federal agencies as well due to the needs of each individual program being different.

Here's one I've worked at. Half a life time ago I worked some there. I would go there and fix their campus heating systems, things like that. They had a campus, a fair sized one. And the thing is, it was needed and it made a difference.

 

[Texan1211]

Do you think the guy who could not run one successful business bankrupted 6 3 casinos and had countless failed businesses will make anything efficient???

Don't know. Probably can't be much worse than his predecessors.
Do you feel that government waste is a strictly partisan thing, and wish to steer this conversation to Trump?
Unhelpful.

 

[Texan1211]

Employers often refuse to invest in job training programs, and when they do, they sometimes require employees to repay the costs if they leave for a better job. This practice effectively traps employees in a form of servitude, limiting their mobility and career growth.

Employers will train when they have to if they are unable to hire experienced folks.
Do you think 43 admins are efficient?

 

[SamAndreas]

Well, then, I guess we are forever doomed to massive waste in government. Sorry, I won't be accepting that must be the only way for government to be. Can you see absolutely no benefit from government streamlining and merging programs where possible, saving taxpayer dollars?

Tex, we're both the same age. Old.

What we'll be accepting at our advanced age is what we'll get from now on.

I don't like sudden changes at this point.

 

[Dragon]

Why ignore my question? Would it not be beneficial to have fewer administrators running these multitude of job training programs? Would that not be cost efficient?

There are significant differences between job training programs for roles like nurse assistants and programmers. To be effective, the organizations running these programs must have a deep understanding of the specific trades they serve. This includes knowing which skills are in demand and identifying companies that can provide on-the-job training or serve as potential future employers. Some job training systems also focus on individuals with special needs, helping them transition off social assistance and into productive roles as tax-paying citizens.

 

[Texan1211]

I don't think you have any idea about numbers of job training programs our government has, or needs. Talking about 43 of them certainly doesn't even begin.

I would think our federal government currently has thousands of them. Each one different, each one created to fulfill a specific need. And they are created under several different federal agencies as well due to the needs of each individual program being different.

Here's one I've worked at. Half a life time ago I worked some there. I would go there and fix their campus heating systems, things like that. They had a campus, a fair sized one. And the thing is, it was needed and it made a difference.

Ok, here, read for yourself:

https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/wp-content/uploads/2019/06/Government-Employment-and-Training-Programs.pdf

Please don't confuse me criticizing the number and efficiency of these programs with me being totally against all such programs.

 

[Texan1211]

Tex, we're both the same age. Old.

What we'll be accepting at our advanced age is what we'll get from now on.

I don't like sudden changes at this point.

yeah, I am old, but not too old to be unable to recognize inefficiencies in government.

 

[Texan1211]

There are significant differences between job training programs for roles like nurse assistants and programmers. To be effective, the organizations running these programs must have a deep understanding of the specific trades they serve. This includes knowing which skills are in demand and identifying companies that can provide on-the-job training or serve as potential future employers. Some job training systems also focus on individuals with special needs, helping them transition off social assistance and into productive roles as tax-paying citizens.

You keep making points absolutely no one is arguing.
Do you recognize any inefficiency in government, and are just content to accept it?

 

[Dragon]

Please do provide any and all details how the vaunted Dept. Of Education has made a big difference in educating our children, and then explain why test scores declined.

Test score declines because the money is spend unevenly.

ArcGIS Web Application

tn-cot.maps.arcgis.com

In Tennessee, where I have lived for four years, the average per-student spending varies significantly, ranging from $10K to $6K depending on the district. Unfortunately, the majority of students are in districts spending less than $7K per student.

Additionally, Tennessee has refused to accept federal funding and comply with regulations from the Department of Education. This refusal has serious consequences, as outlined in a recent report.

And yes, the test scores are poor, but we shouldn't blame the Department of Education for that. The responsibility lies squarely with the Tennessee state government."

https://eu.tennessean.com/story/new...ecting-federal-education-funding/72167018007/