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    faceman said:
    I might be wrong,But I believe Trump will cast RFK Jr. aside. He's no use to him anymore. I also believe
    some republicans will cross the aisle to help prevent him from getting any high ranking position.
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    I sure hope so.
     
    MT15 said:
    Rumor so far. Wouldn’t surprise me if he tries it, but wouldn’t it be challenged?

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    Think this kind of thing is better left to believe it when you see it. There’s a lot of different people saying different things right now but none of it is actually real and we don’t know how seriously they’re being considered it at all.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    Think this kind of thing is better left to believe it when you see it. There’s a lot of different people saying different things right now but none of it is actually real and we don’t know how seriously they’re being considered it at all.
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    Yes, this will not pass constitutional muster.
     
    faceman said:
    Yes, this will not pass constitutional muster.
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    I’m sure some crafty Heritage type lawyer could come up with language that basically says that the official pledges not to deviate from the president’s agenda or instruction except where the official knows or strongly suspects the action is illegal or unconstitutional. I really don’t know but I can’t imagine that’s unconstitutional. It may violate some other aspect of federal employment law or executive branch law.

    But more importantly, the question is, is it actually meaningful because of the protections federal employees have from termination for allegedly violating such a pledge? What’s the enforcement mechanism?

    The current law is that the administration cannot simply fire a civil service employee or career (non-political) official for a view that the official is not following the administration’s agenda. There’s a whole process with protections in place. The Heritage Foundation and P25 both want to get rid of these “Schedule F” protections to basically make these civil servants “at will” employees - and Russell Vought is the key proponent of this. Keep an eye out for where he ends up as to how serious Trump is about this.
     
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    Some guesses

    Rubio - State
    Pompeo - Defense
    Mike Lee - Justice
    Burgum - Energy
    Tom Homan - HS
    RFK - HHS
    Tulsi - UN
     
    superchuck500 said:
    The current law is that the administration cannot simply fire a civil service employee or career (non-political) official for a view that the official is not following the administration’s agenda.
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    What is the enforcement mechanism? What if the administration just goes ahead and fires them in defiance of the law? What happens then? Who steps in and enforces the law?
     
    Greg said:
    Some guesses

    Rubio - State
    Pompeo - Defense
    Mike Lee - Justice
    Burgum - Energy
    Tom Homan - HS
    RFK - HHS
    Tulsi - UN
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    Rubio co-sponsored a bill that prevents the President from soley deciding if the U.S. withdraws from NATO. Trump may
    punish him for that.
     
    faceman said:
    Other than anti-vaccination RFK is a liberal. Trump will wash his hands of him Imho.
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    He’s no liberal, IMO, he’s a whacko conspiracy theorist. He comes at it from a democratic family, is all. He doesn’t hold liberal values, at least that’s not my perception.
     
    MT15 said:
    He’s no liberal, IMO, he’s a whacko conspiracy theorist. He comes at it from a democratic family, is all. He doesn’t hold liberal values, at least that’s not my perception.
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    Before the strange marriage, Trump had harsh words for Jr. One issue I know Jr. is very liberal on is gun control. That's
    been known for ages. That's not going to fly with Trump supporters.


    Junior’ is totally Anti-Gun, an Extreme Environmentalist who makes the Green New Scammers look Conservative, a Big Time Taxer and Open Border Advocate, and Anti-Military/Vet…” Trump wrote.
     
    MT15 said:
    What is the enforcement mechanism? What if the administration just goes ahead and fires them in defiance of the law? What happens then? Who steps in and enforces the law?
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    There’s a process but ultimately the federal district court in DC (not favorable to an ultra vires Trump administration) and the DC Circuit (not favorable to an ultra vires Trump administration) are the reviewing courts - and then the SCOTUS that i think favors Trump but only to the degree the law will allow. They will give him the gray area or ambiguity, but they’re not going to give him authority to contravene clear law. And that’s only on the cases they choose to accept.
     

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