The official RNC Convention thread (1 Viewer)

[coldseat]

Why are the Republicans doing their convention during the day? Isn't the roll call and nomination normally done at night?

Anybody watching or going to watch in parts?

What are the expectations of the convention for those who support Trump?

 

[The moose]

Thats what Trump said when he drafted him to the NJ Generals.

I was wondering the connection between Trump and Walker....

Well not really.

Actually the first owner of the generals drafted him as an underclassmen.

The other amazing thing about all of this is trump was selected by Dave Dixon to get the new York franchise. Trump backed out and went after a NFL franchise lost and then bought it from the Oklahoma oil man that got the franchise.

So yeah the best thing about the generals trump was not responsible for because he was trying to buy the Baltimore colts.

 

[Infoman]

This is a side question that probably doesn't belong in this thread, but I'm just hoping for a quick response, not really to challenge you on what you think. Who it is that controls the democratic party to you?

I think we can all agree that it's Trump and the republican base that control the republican party. On the Dem side, it depends on who you ask. Progressive tend to think it Wall Street in conjunction with neo-liberals. Minorities think it white-upper class liberals who harbor underlying racist sentiments. Republicans claim in the progressive wing, AOC and the squad. Many dems feel it's the party hierarchy, political power brokers and the special interest. The white supremacist in the country think it's minorities. The Q and other conspiracy theorist think it's George Soros and other powerful Jews. Many say it's the media, etc.

Again, I'm not trying to challenge you, just curious where you fall because I hear this a lot, but the answer is always different depending on who you ask.

It's a mix... funding from Wall Street /political power brokers and the special interest in conjunction with neo-liberals... with Pelosi heading and mediating between the (new/young) group of progressive wingers like AOC and the squad - and the older and traditional establishment Dems / power players.... I believe Biden is on the outside looking in, or too far out of touch in any group... but willing to bend / parlay to all involved to get elected / rid the US of Trump.

Back top topic...

 

[wardorican]

Yeah, the word "fact" when used in any political context means nothing to me at this point... and I don't care who checks who (especially CNN, FOX, MSNBC, WAPO, NYT, etc).... these "facts" tend to be more a matter of perception and interpretation - than a matter of verifiable truth.

There is a lot of presumptive reality/facts that are actually partial to all fiction on both sides...

For example - the REPs will say that Biden will Ban Fracking... while he may not have said that specifically... there is a direct correlating assumption that his support of Green New Deal agenda policies ( and overall being a puppet/placeholder for who really controls the DEM party ) would do just that...

Joe Biden unveils his $2T AOC-fueled Green New Deal energy agenda

Democratic presidential hopeful Joe Biden unveiled a $2 trillion energy plan Tuesday with a heavy focus on the Green New Deal agenda being pushed by New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and the f…

nypost.com

This is an issue from both sides... and it's hilarious no one even talks about it.

That's true to a point, which is why it is important to read the fact checks. Often, they explain their rationale, so you are free to agree with their conclusion, or give the benefit of the doubt to the politician. I don't agree with them 100% of the time, but they are generally more correct and fair then otherwise, and again, you can see how they arrived at their conclusion.

One of those linked earlier was the Associated Press. The last bastion of neutral news.

 

[brandon]

The propaganda is only successful when you buy what they are selling... both sides are selling half truths, and perspective-based lies as fact - to their collective bases in order to farm votes, perpetuate false narratives, and ultimately retain/gain power...

I don't buy either brand... I am pointing out the ridiculousness of the propaganda - on both sides - that's sole purpose is to "sound byte" any information out of context (or purposefully omit contextual information) in order to spin any story into "political truth"... which... isn't truth at all.

I'm not buying any of it... I'm not sure why anyone does, unless they actually like being lied to and duped.

That's just it though. You HAVE bought what one side is selling. You believe the media is untrustworthy.

Only one side is selling that, and they are selling it consistently.

 

[rajncajn]

After watching it... I came away wishing Haley was the REP candidate for POTUS. I don't agree with everything she says or all her policies (nor do I for either side)... but she seems sensible and sincere at least (and not a pompous - self absorbed - douche) . Which would be an improvement over anything being presented thus far from either side.

Overall, I thought it had a positive "Rah Rah" feel... about what I expected.

I do like her a lot. I believe I'd vote for her from what I've seen and I've had a hard time pushing the R button for a number of presidential elections.

 

[Infoman]

Then the propaganda was successful.

Edit: This is also more evidence that you are not the "middle of the road" guy you say you are. Only one side of the aisle is peddling the lie that facts don't matter or exist, that fact-checking is a hoax, that "alternative facts" are a thing, and that everything that's said politically is open to interpretation.

This is not a both sides problem. As I stated before, you are squarely on one side of this issue.

I gave a perfect example of what I was referring to... it is a both sides problem... There are tons of examples on both sides, RE: the omission of context in so called "facts" to support or denounce stances and generate the narrative on both sides - to be passed off as undeniable truth (which it isn't)... stop trying to "box me in" because it makes you uncomfortable that I don't fit into your sense of political order (the middle exists, this is what we look like - get over it - we just don't scream as loud as the extremes).... If you can't accept this... please ignore my posts, because this is the final time I will reply to this ridiculous accusation.

 

[insidejob]

Nikki Haley really has changed her tune since 2016. Why didn't she mention any of this in her speech last night? She no longer thinks the KKK doesn't belong?

 

[wardorican]

The propaganda is only successful when you buy what they are selling... both sides are selling half truths, and perspective-based lies as fact - to their collective bases in order to farm votes, perpetuate false narratives, and ultimately retain/gain power...

I don't buy either brand... I am pointing out the ridiculousness of the propaganda - on both sides - that's sole purpose is to "sound byte" any information out of context (or purposefully omit contextual information) in order to spin any story into "political truth"... which... isn't truth at all.

I'm not buying any of it... I'm not sure why anyone does, unless they actually like being lied to and duped.

I actually agree with this in general, but I don't think it is fair to say "both sides", as in they're equally complicit.

There are exceptions to both sides, but I'd say the lie rate or distortion on the Right is coming in at a much higher clip rate than the Left.

It's like comparing a B- student to a D student. Both need help, but one needs a lot more.

A good portion of it is that the Democrats don't need to distort as much to make their case. That doesn't mean they don't distort things. That's what persuasive debate is.

If you want the overall tenor of the RNC, listen to Andrew Yang.. he basically quipped that the RNC stated two things... Everything is fine, and everyone is trying to destroy your way of life.

Well, which is it?

 

[Infoman]

That's just it though. You HAVE bought what one side is selling. You believe the media is untrustworthy.

Only one side is selling that, and they are selling it consistently.

I don't care what either side is selling... you'd have to be completely and willfully ignorant to not see that a ton of what is considered "media coverage" (and I use that term lightly when it comes to CNN, FOXNews, MSNBC, etc) is all opinion based - half-truths designed to produce view / clicks... and not report actual facts meant to really inform the public... and hence can not be 100% trusted...

This opinion has nothing to do with the idiocy mantra of "fake news" by the right... or the equally idiotic manta of "question nothing" by the left...

It's clear... I don't need a bias to see it.

 

[brandon]

the middle exists

this is nothing like what it looks like

get over it

Feel free to ignore me, but I'm going to keep pointing out every time you think you're in the middle but you're squarely on the right.

At some point, you might even realize it's true, assuming you decide facts are real again.

 

[brandon]

This opinion has nothing to do with the idiocy mantra of "fake news" by the right... or the equally idiotic manta of "question nothing" by the left...

It's clear... I don't need a bias to see it.

This is the bias you have.

You are drawing false equivalencies between the right's "fake news" mantra by suggesting that anyone on the left has actually said "question nothing."

While you will find hundreds of examples of right-leaning politicians and news networks claiming "fake news," I challenge you to find a single left-leaning politician or network who has said "question nothing." In fact, it's a hallmark of liberalism to be healthily skeptical.

You won't find any of those examples because you made it up. But because of your right-leaning bias, you try to draw the false equivalency anyway.

 

[wardorican]

Outside of Policy differences (which haven't changed a lot lately), to me the big difference we will see between the DNC message an the RNC message is ethics / empathy. I also think that's the core difference between the two men running. Ethics and Empathy.

Joe has both. Trump has neither.

It's pretty clear. The Trump admin gets told they can't do this, then their reply is almost always, "make me". Unless McConnell says something behind closed doors, then suddenly the issue goes away, unless it gets a foothold in populism.

 

[wardorican]

This is the bias you have.

You are drawing false equivalencies between the right's "fake news" mantra by suggesting that anyone on the left has actually said "question nothing."

While you will find hundreds of examples of right-leaning politicians and news networks claiming "fake news," I challenge you to find a single left-leaning politician or network who has said "question nothing."

You won't. But because of your right-leaning bias, you try to draw the false equivalency anyway.

I'm with this. I haven't seen anyone say "question nothing" or even close. "I believe in Science" isn't even a close equivalent.

 

[CoolBrees]

Sorry to just jump in out of nowhere but-

infoman- you put “question nothing” in quotes. As in a direct quote like “fake news.”

can you please source that quote?

Moreover as an aside, you mention the media as “Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, etc.”

Can you, for clarity sake, please explain who would be the etc? Because all you have done is list three cable news networks that do not provide news to the majority of Americans. Or even close. So that “etc” you mention would make up the majority of news sources, so it would move the conversation along if you would expound upon your list.

Finally, facts are facts. Otherwise they are speculation or opinion, not facts. So can you please source where fact checking sites or new agencies have misrepresented facts? Because I can’t think of one single instance where they have misrepresented or distorted someone’s quote.

thanks in advance

 

[Ayo]

Haley really has changed her tune since 2016. Why didn't she mention any of this in her speech last night? She no longer thinks the KKK doesn't belong?

because that's not what these speeches are meant to do - as JE pointed out

She was jingoistic from beginning to end.

And it was hitting requisite propaganda notes.

I find it interesting that we're having this discussion of partisan propaganda, but we're going to somehow exempt Haley from it because she wasn't on stage shrieking and blinking.

• veneration of Reagan
• this speech about how the UN is some dangerous place where she was facing rapists and terrorists and murderers
• manipulating the truth around the "cash for Iran"
• scaremongering about Biden and Obama and OMGSocialism
• praising Trump for his handling of North Korea
• 'socialism has failed everywhere' canard
• "I'm Indian and so racism doesn't exist in America because look at me!"
• the Mother Emanuel Church shooting that led to some kumbaya moment that I wish was true and lasting
• school choice invocation

I mean, that's a laundry list of propagandish distortion

I don't fault her for doing it - that's her job.

But to elevate her to something beyond 'propaganda' or having something of substance to say as a contrast to other speakers?

meh... not so much. Not even close, imo

 

[Infoman]

The idea that everything you don't believe in is "Fake News" is insane...

The idea that you can't question science or what is popularly accepted as fact ("question nothing") is also insane...

Fact is only fact based on what we know now and today... Science is the pursuit and application of knowledge and understanding of the natural and social world...

If we stop pursuing, and only accept norms... it's no longer science....

"Fact" in many people's lives is a matter of personal perspective... we all experience life and events though our own eyes, and personal experience, and values passed down to us... those things determine our "factual reality" and perspective.

I'm not sure how else to put it.

Again, way off topic - sorry

 

[insidejob]

An RNC Speaker Said Cops Would Be 'Smart' to Racially Profile Her Own Son

"Statistically, my brown son is more likely to commit a violent offense over my white sons," anti-abortion activist Abby Johnson said in a YouTube video earlier this year.

www.vice.com

This woman is speaking at the RNC tonight. At least not about racial issues, just abortion.

 

[Ayo]