The Joe Biden 2020 tracker thread (4 Viewers)

[Intensesaint]

A place for all the gaffs, slip-ups and overall outlandish things Democratic candidates will say or do in lead up to the 2020 Election.

 

[Beach Friends]

That's backward. The Democratic party has left a lot of democrats by staying stubbornly center when the majority of popular policies are more leftward. Daft platitudes, 'next in line' mentality and "just get him out of the white house" instead of putting forth bold policy proposals is the recipe for another 2016 for Team Blue.

IMO, it depends on which "left" you are talking about (although there is overlap). It looks like they are foolishly selling out the economic left in favor of the cultural left.

When the initial stimulus package was being negotiated the Democrats overplayed their hand in favor of the cultural left, on issues that they should have known would not pass and that are easily understood by the public.

 

[coldseat]

I am curious what you mean by that.

Inter-national cooperation is perhaps nowhere greater than it is than Europe and it has been the hardest hit by the virus. I think you could even argue that it was the cooperation itself that helped the virus spread.
Even intra-nationally there is a least some reason to think that cooperation has not allowed for stopping the spread: take the ability to quarantine large areas (say the NY metro area) - hard to do with intra-national cooperation whereas it appears fairly easy with autocratic regimes (China).
The heralded success of South Korea occurred in a country surrounded by two superpowers that Korea does not fully trust and whose only land border is the most fortified and least crossed in the world.

I think it's pretty obvious that even in Europe (within the European Union) those ties have broken down over the last 10 years or so with the rise in nationalism and break down of the European Union (i.e. UK leaving and Turkey doing its own thing). Countries in Europe are increasingly doing their own thing. That is amplified even more so throughout the world with the US and China involved in a trade war and Russia and its election meddling and general interference in world affairs to try and raise their status and power. You add to that the US's switch to America First mentality and that amplifies it even further. International organizations like the UN and WHO have also suffered with the breakdown in international relationships and have seen their ability to influence positive outcomes lessened as a result.

You'd honestly have to be blind to not recognize the severe break down in international cooperation on many fronts. And that's dealt a blow to sharing of information and having a more coordinated international response to address the virus in a multilateral way that's much more effective. It's why we see such different outcomes in different countries around the world, depending on how those countries have dealt with the virus.

That's what I meant.

 

[zztop]

That's backward. The Democratic party has left a lot of democrats by staying stubbornly center when the majority of popular policies are more leftward. Daft platitudes, 'next in line' mentality and "just get him out of the white house" instead of putting forth bold policy proposals is the recipe for another 2016 for Team Blue.

I have to agree. Democrats have "swung so far left" that Noam Chomsky wrote an article in 2013 about how just a few decades ago Obama would have been a moderate republican. That to me is indication how far right the party has gone.

 

[Heathen]

IMO, it depends on which "left" you are talking about (although there is overlap). It looks like they are foolishly selling out the economic left in favor of the cultural left.

When the initial stimulus package was being negotiated the Democrats overplayed their hand in favor of the cultural left, on issues that they should have known would not pass and that are easily understood by the public.

The party has been selling out those in favor of an economic leftward movement for a long time. For many, the ideological gaffes and edge cases are there on the left as they are the right, and I just choose to ignore them. Whether Democrats here and there play that hand in an untruthful, cheap way is not ultimately up to folks like me. It gives folks on the left a bad name just as it would any other group where folks don't really perceive there being any variety of viewpoint thanks to a binary party monopoly.

 

[Beach Friends]

The party has been selling out those in favor of an economic leftward movement for a long time. For many, the ideological gaffes and edge cases are there on the left as they are the right, and I just choose to ignore them. Whether Democrats here and there play that hand in an untruthful, cheap way is not ultimately up to folks like me. It gives folks on the left a bad name just as it would any other group where folks don't really perceive there being any variety of viewpoint thanks to a binary party monopoly.

I think you and I have common ground here. While I am not a fan of moving left economically, I think there can be reasonable discussions.

We all know that unbridled capitalism has its faults. So, there are legitimate questions as to where and when it should be tempered.

 

[Dadsdream]

And there we have it. Sanders endorses Biden. This clears the way for Obama to endorse Biden and campaign for him . . . if he will.

Sanders endorses Biden for president

Ex-Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) endorsed former rival Joe Biden during a virtual event Monday.”We need you in the White House. I will do all that I can to see…

thehill.com

 

[MT15]

If he will, lol. That didn’t age well.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Damn. Warren's endorsement is stronger than Bernie's IMO...

 

[The moose]

Damn. Warren's endorsement is stronger than Bernie's IMO...

Yeah cuz she would love to be VP.

I would think she would make a great VP. She is unbelievably ready and she a plan for everything.

She would be my pick.

 

[Humperdoo]

And there we have it. Sanders endorses Biden. This clears the way for Obama to endorse Biden and campaign for him . . . if he will.

Sanders endorses Biden for president

Ex-Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) endorsed former rival Joe Biden during a virtual event Monday.”We need you in the White House. I will do all that I can to see…

thehill.com

You knew he would. The ‘Dems’ don’t care who it is as long as it isn’t Trump. You know this. Anyone but Trump at all cost.

Yeah cuz she would love to be VP.

I would think she would make a great VP. She is unbelievably ready and she a plan for everything.

She would be my pick.

She has a plan for everything? Who’s gonna pay for her outlandish plans? Lol

 

[Humperdoo]

Damn. Warren's endorsement is stronger than Bernie's IMO...

He’s gonna lead us? He literally is so far gone he couldn’t ‘lead’ us out of a cul-de-sac.
Oh well, if he wins it’s better than someone like AOC or Bernie, Warren etc.
Those knuckleheads would go on the price is right and guess that everything was free.

 

[Heathen]

He’s gonna lead us? He literally is so far gone he couldn’t ‘lead’ us out of a cul-de-sac.
Oh well, if he wins it’s better than someone like AOC or Bernie, Warren etc.
Those knuckleheads would go on the price is right and guess that everything was free.

Yeah, those 'knuckleheads' using our tax dollars for the betterment of the American people is some commy nonsense. Straight outta the USSR or 'venezualla'.

I think it better to support people who accelerate deregulation and handouts to corporations.

That's 'winning' if I've ever heard of it.

 

[Beach Friends]

Damn. Warren's endorsement is stronger than Bernie's IMO...

And that is going to mean so much coming from someone who couldn't even carry her home state. What did she win during the primaries - one county?

 

[Heathen]

And that is going to mean so much coming from someone who couldn't even carry her home state. What did she win during the primaries - one county?

I don't think it was so much that she was wildly unpopular as it was that she was running with a former Obama VP and a larger progressive force in Sanders and just couldn't make headway. I think she would essentially be a figurehead to sway progressives, a group where she is still plenty popular, to Biden which would be a smart move.

I don't think she will be the pick though. Probably Whitmer, Klobuchar or Harris

 

[The moose]

You knew he would. The ‘Dems’ don’t care who it is as long as it isn’t Trump. You know this. Anyone but Trump at all cost.

She has a plan for everything? Who’s gonna pay for her outlandish plans? Lol

I would love to sit down and talk about your delusional thinking. Plans are far from outlandish.

When the richest man in America paid less in taxes for Amazon this past year than he personally did for a house is the real problem when it comes to paying for stuff.

Are you happy the working class pays for everything?

I was never fooled to think that the American poor are the problem. Welfare for the poor is a drop in the bucket compared to corporate welfare.

Just think about this the airlines are getting a bailout that is just about the amount they got in tax breaks? Why do you have to save for a rainy day and corporate America does not?

We as Americans need to quit the foolish crap of blaming the poor or the immigration or China. We need to point blank make the wealthiest pay a fair share we need corporate America to pay a fair share. Then by God we could have nice things like a higher infant survival rate, paid sick days, or what ever you want to name.

But that is ok you can still stick your head in the sand.

 

[JimEverett]

I don't think it was so much that she was wildly unpopular as it was that she was running with a former Obama VP and a larger progressive force in Sanders and just couldn't make headway. I think she would essentially be a figurehead to sway progressives, a group where she is still plenty popular, to Biden which would be a smart move.

I don't think she will be the pick though. Probably Whitmer, Klobuchar or Harris

I know she is sort of the "popular" pick right now, but I see a lot of logic in picking Stacey Abrams. Picking her takes Georgia from a state where Trump would have to invest a limited amount of resources to one where Trump really has to spend time and money. She could very well end up being enough to deliver Georgia to Biden.
Plus, I think her on the ticket doesn't hurt with getting important constituents of the Democratic coalition out to the polls across the country.
I don't think Harris really gives Biden much in terms of carrying a state or even delivering votes. Whitmer or Klobuchar could help deliver suburban voters, but more importantly - picking one of them would signify to me that Biden/Democrats are still worried about the midwest - which to me was one of the big selling points on Biden's electability. I don't think picking one of them really helps too much on that end (apart from the general appeal, to a limited extent, with suburban voters - particularly suburban women). Perhaps if polling really turns south in Minnesota or Michigan for Biden, one of them might make more sense to me.

 

[The moose]

I don't think it was so much that she was wildly unpopular as it was that she was running with a former Obama VP and a larger progressive force in Sanders and just couldn't make headway. I think she would essentially be a figurehead to sway progressives, a group where she is still plenty popular, to Biden which would be a smart move.

I don't think she will be the pick though. Probably Whitmer, Klobuchar or Harris

Whitmer, Klobuchar or Warren are the real choices.

I like Harris. The reality is he needs no help with the black vote. And African Americans view her as a part of the problem like a cop than on their side.

Out of the three I think Warren would be the best in bringing in the other side that he needs help with. Whitmer and Klobuchar are in the same lane exactly.

 

[Beach Friends]

I don't think it was so much that she was wildly unpopular as it was that she was running with a former Obama VP and a larger progressive force in Sanders and just couldn't make headway. I think she would essentially be a figurehead to sway progressives, a group where she is still plenty popular, to Biden which would be a smart move.

I don't think she will be the pick though. Probably Whitmer, Klobuchar or Harris

I don't think she ever stood a chance, but accusing Bernie of being a sexist backfired. As did her silly statement about putting a child in charge of vetting a cabinet member. Her fake beer chugging. Her fake Indian heritage. Her questionable claim of being fired as a teacher.

Plus, and this may be the biggest issue, she is a terrible dancer.

I think it will be Kamala. She has shown she will do whatever it takes to further her political career. And I think Harris is a mistake too. She's a bad cop.