The Joe Biden 2020 tracker thread (1 Viewer)

[Intensesaint]

A place for all the gaffs, slip-ups and overall outlandish things Democratic candidates will say or do in lead up to the 2020 Election.

 

[Dadsdream]

A guy who has a gun at home for protection, but thinks guns should be banned is not a hypocrite.

You're right. "Confused" would be a much better word.

 

[JimEverett]

So Bloomberg has not done anything that would make it harder for someone to hire a security detail like the one he has.

I don't think you really have a point here.

It's like saying that a billionaire who has an effective tax rate of 10% is a hypocrite for calling for higher taxes on billionaires because he's not voluntarily paying more than required.

No, its nothing like that.

It would be more like your example if you changed it and said that Bloomberg was using deductions to get his effective rate down while making it harder for other people to use those deductions. Even then, it wouldn't be exactly similar, just more so.

Like, for instance, arguing that in order to use that deduction your tax return had to be signed by 5 CPAs with special licenses granted by the City of New York.

 

[JimEverett]

Bernie isn't a socialist.

 

[Lapaz]

Putting restrictions on some types of guns doesn’t equate to banning law enforcement from having those guns. Bloomberg could propose outlawing ownership by the general public, while still keeping it legal for law enforcement and even shooting ranges. Security details would be allowed under that scenario.

 

[Dadsdream]

Climbing into bed with a candidate has to involve mutual consent, right?

“Yes, customer service? I just received a package that I very much did not order,” Andrew Bates, director of rapid response for Biden’s campaign wrote on Twitter in response to Comey's endorsement. “How can I return it, free of charge?”

Comey endorses Biden; campaign says no thanks

Former FBI Director James Comey on Super Tuesday endorsed former Vice President Joe Biden in the Democratic primary, but Biden’s campaign cheekily asked to “return” the endorsemen…

thehill.com

 

[Joe Okc]

No, everyone currently has the right to a security detail if they want it. I said minimike has a greater NEED for security, not a right.

If the law made the firearms carried by his detail illegal, then they shouldn't be able to use those firearms.

part of the reason the security is required is because of the availability of firearms.

We have to start looking at 50 year solutions to the gun problem. Target manufacturing first. Eventually the number of guns on the streets will become more manageable.

I am quoting your whole post...

I been carry ing a firearm with permit for about 15 years now. And there's been no problems... again it's not the gun, but the persons intent... I can see both side, but for discussion purposes here... You say start with manufactureing... I one three guns from Nazi germany, one from Soviet Russia, one from Imperial Japan and one from WWII great Britian... Manufacturing of these guns have been stopped for 75 years, yet are still avalible... I do understand your point and I agree to some extent. But don't make it harder for a law abiding citizen to get a gun for protection of his family... make it harder for the criminal to keep a gun...

As to millionaires and politicians should get armed security and need it more... They may need it more because of the nutcases... but people are getting killed over as little as $20 or a 1/8th of weed, or an old car..

But back to this thread... I been hearing Beto will join Biden's team... if true that would be a sure win for Trump....

 

[samiam5211]

I am quoting your whole post...

I been carry ing a firearm with permit for about 15 years now. And there's been no problems... again it's not the gun, but the persons intent... I can see both side, but for discussion purposes here... You say start with manufactureing... I one three guns from Nazi germany, one from Soviet Russia, one from Imperial Japan and one from WWII great Britian... Manufacturing of these guns have been stopped for 75 years, yet are still avalible... I do understand your point and I agree to some extent. But don't make it harder for a law abiding citizen to get a gun for protection of his family... make it harder for the criminal to keep a gun...

As to millionaires and politicians should get armed security and need it more... They may need it more because of the nutcases... but people are getting killed over as little as $20 or a 1/8th of weed, or an old car..

But back to this thread... I been hearing Beto will join Biden's team... if true that would be a sure win for Trump....

That's my point. If all we had on the street were 75 year old Nazi guns, i don't think we'd have much of a gun problem.

I'm not concerned about law abiding citizens having a problem obtaining their 10th firearm or a civilian version of a M16A2. They don't need 10 guns or a M16A2, so I don't care if they can't get them.

 

[SystemShock]

Is there some law that prevents you from having a security detail?

Come on, man.

 

[BobE]

I'd prefer he at least just be completely honest and tell the truth. "There is a set of rules for people like me and there is a set for people like you"

 

[SystemShock]

That's my point. If all we had on the street were 75 year old Nazi guns, i don't think we'd have much of a gun problem.

Why not?

 

[samiam5211]

Why not?

How many 75 year old Nazi guns do you think are in circulation today?

There are over 300 million firearms in the US.

 

[Joe Okc]

That's my point. If all we had on the street were 75 year old Nazi guns, i don't think we'd have much of a gun problem.

I'm not concerned about law abiding citizens having a problem obtaining their 10th firearm or a civilian version of a M16A2. They don't need 10 guns or a M16A2, so I don't care if they can't get them.

My point exactly was I own old guns from numerous countries. If you stopped all us production they would still be here...


I'm not concerned about law abiding citizens having a problem obtaining their 10th firearm or a civilian version of a M16A2. They don't need 10 guns or a M16A2, so I don't care if they can't get them.

Just out of curiosity... what gives you the right to decide what another person needs?
I believe I have 7 guns from WWII. That's 7 that I own and bought legally, paid for, passed a background check for... And are locked in a safe and off the streets...
So is me owning 7 guns a problem in your eyes?

 

[SystemShock]

You're right. "Confused" would be a much better word.

I am going to do a Dadsdreamism...

Many, many years ago in México, there was this guy, Raul Velasco, who had a live variety show all afternoon on Sundays, aptly named Siempre en Domingo (Always on Sunday), which was very popular from MX to Argentina. Kind of like the Hispanic Johnny Carson, careers were made and destroyed on that show. He also took live phone calls from celebrities and news people during the show (which is an important tidbit for this story). In his show, sometimes he'd go into diatribes about social issues... one of his pet peeves was "malinchistas", or Mexicans who prefer products not made in México. He was specially vicious about rich people who'd go to Houston to have medical procedures done, instead of having the medical procedure performed by the very capable Mexican surgeons. One of his rants, he started by referring to Jacobo Zabludovsky, who was the Mexican Walter Cronkite, and a medical procedure he had gotten in Houston.

Then, it happened that Velasco needed an operation, and indeed, went to Houston to get the procedure performed. A replacement hosted the show for him that week.

The week he came back, he received a call from Zabludovsky, live on the air. After a few pleasantries, Zabludovsky went right to the point of his call: ask Velasco why he had single him out for going to Houston for a medical procedure, while Velasco himself went to Houston for his medical procedure.

The answer, on live TV: "because I have the money to pay for it".
Zabludovsky's retort, on live TV, was priceless: "what a hypocrite you are, my friend". Click.

The moral of the story, some people are more equal than others, and they want you to do as they say, not as they do.


I hope I made you proud

 

[SystemShock]

How many 75 year old Nazi guns do you think are in circulation today?

There are over 300 million firearms in the US.

Do you know how many guns did the Nazis manufacture? And the quality of said guns?

 

[Dadsdream]

How many 75 year old Nazi guns do you think are in circulation today?

There are over 300 million firearms in the US.

Literally? Hundreds of thousands.
Are you talking about originals or the "remanufactured" ones sold by Russia and Eastern European countries with the Nazi eagle filed off, the ones that were seized from Germany?
The Mauser K98 and its variants are still in circulation in vast numbers in the US and worldwide.
No one knows exactly how many. The current going price is $350.

Mauser K-98k — Surplus Rifle Guide

Mauser K-98k Length: approximately 44 inches Barrel length: approximately 24 inches Caliber: […]

surplusrifleguide.com

Note: The guide above includes the years, serial numbers and how many were manufactured in each factory from 1934 to 1945.
In 1944, one Mauser factory in Brünn alone produced 621,959.

 

[The moose]

So that means they should have the right to things that other people do not have a right to?

So you gun guys have a problem with a licensed professional?

Well then the logical answer is take your classes pass what ever checks so you can also be as trained and and checked as a professional.

Might I suggest take the pathic 2nd amendment crying game to a a separate thread. For tough guys with guns you guys cry a bunch.

Or submit yourself to the training, mental and background checks those guys go thru.

 

[Joe Okc]

So you gun guys have a problem with a licensed professional?

Well then the logical answer is take your classes pass what ever checks so you can also be as trained and and checked as a professional.

Might I suggest take the pathic 2nd amendment crying game to a a separate thread. For tough guys with guns you guys cry a bunch.

Or submit yourself to the training, mental and background checks those guys go thru.

Haha.... I been saying that all along... Cause I damn sure support that... but with it I want my license honored in Chicago, California, and any hippy commune in the US...

Btw. Gun discussionn is part of this thread... Since its rumored Biden may select Beto as part of his team...

 

[samiam5211]

My point exactly was I own old guns from numerous countries. If you stopped all us production they would still be here...


I'm not concerned about law abiding citizens having a problem obtaining their 10th firearm or a civilian version of a M16A2. They don't need 10 guns or a M16A2, so I don't care if they can't get them.

Just out of curiosity... what gives you the right to decide what another person needs?
I believe I have 7 guns from WWII. That's 7 that I own and bought legally, paid for, passed a background check for... And are locked in a safe and off the streets...
So is me owning 7 guns a problem in your eyes?

Do you think there would be more or less firearms in existence 50 years from now if we stopped manufacturing them?

We live in a society. We have laws that tell people what they can or can’t do. What gives us the right to tell a man he can’t do cocaine with their 3 year old wife?

You are fine with the concept of laws until they restrict something you don’t want restricted.