The Impeachment Process Has Officially Begun (1 Viewer)

[Andrus]

By Laura Bassett

After months of internal arguing among Democrats over whether to impeach President Donald Trump, the dam is finally breaking in favor of trying to remove him from office. The Washington Post reported that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would announce a formal impeachment inquiry on Tuesday, following a bombshell report that Trump illegally asked Ukraine’s government to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, one of his political opponents. (He essentially admitted to having done so over the weekend.)

“Now that we have the facts, we’re ready,” Pelosi said Tuesday morning at a forum hosted by The Atlantic. At 5 p.m. the same day, she was back with more. "The actions taken to date by the president have seriously violated the constitution, especially when the president says Article Two says I can do whatever I want," referring to the segment of the Constitution that defines the power of the executive branch of the government. Pelosi's message was that checks and balances of those branches are just as central to the Constitution. And one more thing: "Today, I am announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry," she said at a conference broadcast on Twitter by the Huffington Post. ...

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[coldseat]

Oh. BTW.. Sure ain't heard anymore about babies in Cages at the border these days...

You probably don't hear about it where you're at, but being that I live in San Antonio, I sure do. It's still hear/read stories here about the efforts being taken to get all of the kids flu shots, because the government doesn't see it as necessary to give vaccines to all of the kids even after at least 3 have already died from the flu.

US immigration officials bar doctors from giving flu shots to detained kids

Doctors warn of more deaths after being turned away from a Customs and Border Protection facility in San Diego

www.theguardian.com

 

[coldseat]

and in fact support really mobilized against Nixon once SCOTUS ruled against Nixon on the issue of the tapes.

By that time public support materialized, it was already clear that Nixon was well on his way to be impeached and removed from office by the Congress. It was actually the support of Impeachment by Congress that moved public support, not the other way around.

 

[JimEverett]

By that time public support materialized, it was already clear that Nixon was well on his way to be impeached and removed from office by the Congress. It was actually the support of Impeachment by Congress that moved public support, not the other way around.

Perhaps. I am not sure you can tell one way or other.

There was much less overall support for Nixon compared to Trump today according to the graph you posted. The overall approval rating plunged in the summer of '73 to what looks to be around 30%. It dropped to around 25% by the start of '74 where it basically remained. With that level of support there is pressure put on politicians.

You may be right that 6 of 17 Republicans voting for the first article of impeachment moved the public to support removal, or it may have been the SCOTUS ruling, or a combination. Either way, the underlying events that Nixon engaged as well as the lack of politicization of something like "russiagate" like I pointed to above along with the completely different behavior of the Democratic leadership in 1973 and 1974 all point to a very different situation than what we have today: and it has little to nothing to do with: "REpublicans just don;t care about the rule of law" or some stupid talking point like that.

 

[samiam5211]

In the 1970s the public were working with the same set of facts. There were only a few filters through which our facts were passed, and the difference between these filters was negligible.

Public opinion today is not going to move past a certain point because there are dozens of filters and many of them have almost nothing in common.

Reality is relative today.

 

[Infoman]

Reality is relative today.

This may be the most important, pertinent, and provable thing said in this entire thread.... Bravo.

 

[JimEverett]

In the 1970s the public were working with the same set of facts. There were only a few filters through which our facts were passed, and the difference between these filters was negligible.

Public opinion today is not going to move past a certain point because there are dozens of filters and many of them have almost nothing in common.

Reality is relative today.

I may be misunderstanding your point because the way I understand it there is no way it is true.

You think back during the civil rights movement, Vietnam protests, sexual liberation, etc. and into the aftermath of allthat , that there was some sort of general agreement of "facts"? I don't.

 

[samiam5211]

I may be misunderstanding your point because the way I understand it there is no way it is true.

You think back during the civil rights movement, Vietnam protests, sexual liberation, etc. and into the aftermath of allthat , that there was some sort of general agreement of "facts"? I don't.

Yes.

Today the photo of Emmitt Till’s body wouldn’t have moved public sentiment because there would have been theories it wasn’t real and people can go online and find validation for those theories. People can find enough support for what they want to believe to avoid seeing a reality that might have forced them to give up that belief.

To me this isn’t debatable, and it’s got nothing to do with political orientation. The left is just as susceptible, but I do believe that it happens to be bigger problem on the right at the moment.

 

[BobE]

is this going to be 12 hours of ....................talking?

 

[BobE]

why in the ever loving **** is Steve King talking?

 

[TxSaintFan]

why in the ever loving **** is Steve King talking?

No one knows including him.

 

[TxSaintFan]

I think it's safe for me to take a nap and not miss anything but all this yammering.

 

[BobE]

I think it's safe for me to take a nap and not miss anything but all this yammering.

After kids in cages and King I switched to 90210 reruns

 

[samiam5211]

After kids in cages and King I switched to 90210 reruns

Im only watching it so I can say I watched it.

We’ve all seen the spoilers. McConnell shows up in the season finale and saves the day or evil villain depending on your team.

Then they will spend the whole summer dropping webisodes trying to hook us in for another season where they build up to another cliffhanger hoping to buy more time before we realize we stopped caring about the characters two seasons ago.

 

[Infoman]

This whole thing is like watching Persuasive Lucy (The House) tell Charlie Brown that it's totally fine to kick the football... All the while knowing that in the end, Typical Lucy (The Senate) will totally yank the football away and Charlie Brown will end up on his arse.... and we the people are gullible Charlie Brown.... while Impeachment is the football.

 

[EmBeeFiveOhFour]

 

[samiam5211]

This whole thing is like watching Persuasive Lucy (The House) tell Charlie Brown that it's totally fine to kick the football... All the while knowing that in the end, Typical Lucy (The Senate) will totally yank the football away and Charlie Brown will end up on his arse.... and we the people are gullible Charlie Brown.... while Impeachment is the football.

Yea, I could never figure out whether the moral of that story was that Charlie Brown was gullible or that Lucy was sadistic.

Maybe it was a lesson about codependency.

 

[insidejob]

After kids in cages and King I switched to 90210 reruns

I love 90210 reruns. You're my spirit animal, BobE.

 

[insidejob]

Figures a guy named Louder Milk would think that's an apt analogy.