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    By Laura Bassett

    After months of internal arguing among Democrats over whether to impeach President Donald Trump, the dam is finally breaking in favor of trying to remove him from office. The Washington Post reported that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi would announce a formal impeachment inquiry on Tuesday, following a bombshell report that Trump illegally asked Ukraine’s government to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden, one of his political opponents. (He essentially admitted to having done so over the weekend.)

    “Now that we have the facts, we’re ready,” Pelosi said Tuesday morning at a forum hosted by The Atlantic. At 5 p.m. the same day, she was back with more. "The actions taken to date by the president have seriously violated the constitution, especially when the president says Article Two says I can do whatever I want," referring to the segment of the Constitution that defines the power of the executive branch of the government. Pelosi's message was that checks and balances of those branches are just as central to the Constitution. And one more thing: "Today, I am announcing the House of Representatives is moving forward with an official impeachment inquiry," she said at a conference broadcast on Twitter by the Huffington Post. ...

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    Joe Okc said:
    We just got through three years of Mueller with no Russian Collusion... Now we are going through this with no Quid Pro Quo.

    I think we been getting more than enough Trump investigations... Need to just leave the guy alone and let him do his job that he was voted in to do.
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    There are multiple testimonies explicitly stating that there was quid pro quo.

    It was bribery.

    So I’ll say it again: if the Bidens committed a crime, lock them up. If Trump committed a crime, what is your response?
     
    Joe Okc said:
    Now we are going through this with no Quid Pro Quo.
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    Except there was 100% a quid pro quo and everyone knows it.

    And I know you're probably running late for something and don't have time right now to explain why you're choosing to be [Mod edit - inflammatory phrasing. Replacing with "unaware"] unaware of factual goings on in the world around you, but please do so when you next get a minute or two to expound.
     
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    Joe-

    Please explain to me how he is being stopped from doing his job? He hasn’t been called as a witness. Nobody forced him to be on Fox and Friends for over an hour today. Nobody forces him to Tweet all day. Or play golf all the time. That is what keeps him from doing his job. He doesn’t want to do his job. And the areas he tries, he finds quickly he can’t just get his way.

    He still has been able to to re-instate the federal death penalty in the past month. Did you know that? Courts are holding it up though.

    But that is different from letting him do his job. His policies are still being challenged on their legality. But that comes with the job, especially when you are an adversarial negotiator with extreme policies. And those challenges are being substantiated by the fact that the judges are agreeing with them. Almost every, single, time.
     
    Why people still engage Joe is beyond me. [Mod edit - although prefaced with "With all due respect", it is still offensive]
     
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    Joe Okc said:
    haha.. right... As long as we don;t investigate former Vice President Biden and his conduct with any Ukrainian Officials.

    The question was asked... What's the reason?

    To keep pressure on Trump and to take away from any possibility of Biden getting investigated. I heard a good one.. What if the Whistleblower was involved in corruption with Biden... IF an investigation was started into Biden he might also get implicated.. So this whole thing was started to keep him from being involved in scandal.

    But I really feel it's just a pre-election Campaign smear.. Democrats are getting million upon millions of free press right now attacking Trump and not a single penny is coming out of there Democratic campaign funds to do so.. Talk about trying to swing last minute undecided voters while using a free press...
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    Others have already explained the Biden/Ukraine situation. Are you saying that those explanations incorrect?
     
    I engage with Joe because I believe that he represents a swath of people on this site, the old board, and society in general, that only lurk (for a lack of a better term). A group that I disagree with vehemently on a lot (most?) of things, but because I live where I do and he lives where he does we both do not interact outside of our own environments often. I don’t hear or see what he sees and vice versa. So to throw a bunch of facts in his face and to just dismiss him and his thoughts out of hand because his thought are diametrically opposed to mine, can come off as know-it-all-ish and then any chance of reaching him is gone.

    If the only time someone’s opinions are directly addressed is to mock them or tell them their opinion is just wrong doesn’t help us build the bridges back as a nation. The whole idea that “well their backwards and not worth the time” is exactly the problem we have. I ask questions of everybody, because that is the best way to learn their perpective, as skewed and misguided as it may be.

    You can’t help someone with direction if you don’t know where they are coming from.
     
    donato said:
    How is it offensive if someone literally dismisses facts. You can’t have a genuine discussion whatsoever. It’s a waste of time.
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    How are we going to have genuine discussions that don't devolve into flaming if personal remarks that will likely be perceived as offensive are allowed?

    How would we promote a board where members from both sides of the aisle can discuss politics without fear of flaming if we allow such inflammatory exchanges?

    What is factual to one side is not necessarily factual to the other. I don't get to decide who is right, only who is either observing or violating required discourse. Treating this board otherwise would simply lead to it becoming another echo chamber for one side or the other.

    You can state what needs to be stated without attacking the poster. You can state that it is your opinion that the poster is ignoring the facts, it's the subsequent elaboration containing inflammatory phrasing that usually ends up violating the rules.

    Again, if you feel the need to get personal, then either send the member a private message or invite the member to the Mud Pit.
     
    Just so one thing is clear, the president himself essentially copped to the quid pro quo this morning in a call to Fox and Friends.



    The verbal acknowledgement really takes hold around the 5:30 mark and Steve Doocy jumps in to try and either clarify or derail where he thinks the president is going with this conversation around the 6:30 mark.
     
    crosswatt said:
    Just so one thing is clear, the president himself essentially copped to the quid pro quo this morning in a call to Fox and Friends.



    The verbal acknowledgement really takes hold around the 5:30 mark and Steve Doocy jumps in to try and either clarify or derail where he thinks the president is going with this conversation around the 6:30 mark.
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    People come to his defense then he changes his excuse time and time again. Ever changing and conflicting explanations and yet people defend it with a straight face.
     

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