The extreme left agenda: What are some elements of it? (1 Viewer)

[TheRealTruth]

This thread is in reference to Richard stating he did not like the extreme left agenda and I was curious to the finer points of what he had said. (Also this is not singling out Richard, just starting a thread of its own because he didn't want to address it in the other thread) What exactly do people not like about the extreme left agenda.

(There will also be a post about the extreme right agenda as well for fairness)

 

[brandon]

Those people who are citizens of the counties in the EU are allowed by law to travel between the countries. The US and Mexico are two separate counties so its completely different.

Huh?

 

[dtc]

Sounds like catch and release?
It is a lot easier to enforce something with your citizens. A lot more difficult if they are not citizens and in your country illegally. It is almost the exact same situation that we are in now, the never ending catch and release.

yes, and that needs to stop.

Instead of having a normal and predictable immigration policy we have a system of legal hassles designed in order to make money for immigration lawyers.

 

[dtc]

There is a big difference between people traveling between counties in the EU and between the US and Mexico.

Those people who are citizens of the counties in the EU are allowed by law to travel between the countries. The US and Mexico are two separate counties so its completely different.

I'm aware that border crossings would decrease in your scenario. Are you saying that all the people that have been entering the country illegally should be allowed to freely into the US by being given green cards or citizenship?

No, I don't think we should really be allowing new people in, but we are doing things so insanely that there's no rhyme nor reason.

I think people should be able to apply from the outside and be given an answer with provisional entry and any permanent status allowed after some period of vetting. I think political and other refugees should be expedited. I certainly don't believe we should have open borders and certainly not indiscriminate coming and going.

 

[Ayo]

This is spot on. The genius of the really rich is that they've conned 40% of the country into helping their cause by giving them guns, judges, or whatever their concept of "liberty" is. Let folks fear the "radical left" and "socialism" while the capitalists continue to take their money.

this goes back to at least the 1850s when Calhoun gave his address on the Oregon Bill.

he was quite explicit in seeking to align poor whites with rich white whites rather than poor whites with poor blacks.

he was making it a racial issue because he knew that if poor whites aligned themselves with poor blacks, they’d have a massive problem on their hands.

once you start looking at sociological phenomena it’s crazy how much the needs of the poor groups align. Sooooo much more than rich white and poor whites share

 

[Ayo]

Price gouging in a pandemic is illegal.

for some people.

Citing “evidence of fraud, waste, and abuse,” a congressional subcommittee investigating the federal government’s purchase of $646.7 million worth of Philips ventilators has asked the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Office of Inspector General to launch its own investigation of the deal.

The federal government’s quest for a cheap, durable ventilator that could be stockpiled for emergencies began a decade ago during the Obama administration. The first deal fell apart after a small California ventilator manufacturer was bought by a much larger competitor, which dropped the project. Philips in 2014 struck a $13.8 million deal with HHS’ Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority to develop a low-cost, portable ventilator that would be easy to use by people with limited medical training. (In their report, the congressional investigators wrote that Philips later was granted an additional $547,000 to develop the ventilator.) The original deal included an option to purchase 10,000 of the ventilators for $3,280 each with delivery by June 2019.

So much waste in the system

 

[Complex Kid]

Price gouging in a pandemic is illegal.

for some people.







So much waste in the system

I eagerly await to see how they grift from these upcoming hurricanes. Should be fun.

 

[Yggdrasill]

I find that the phrase "extreme left" is misleading, because no one defines it in relationship to "center" left, or "left-leaning." Same with the "extreme right." I spend some time - for entertainment and observation - on a really fringe right wing website, where everyone who does not agree with the principal posters is labeled, "extreme left / Marxist/ Liberal" etc. Those folks use the extreme left moniker to describe anyone not in their camp, and this is actually fairly common. Republicans never use the phrase "moderate left" or center left; it's always extreme left. The converse is somewhat less, but mostly true as well.

Historically, "left wing" refers to support for social equality and egalitarianism, though I would not say that "right wing" necessarily endorses inequality. In fact, many who self-identify as right wing, or conservative, tout individual freedom.

Liberalism vs conservatism in the U.S. has to do I think with the role of government in achieving goals; I say, "in the U.S." because historically the both extremes - Nazism on the right and Communism on the left advocated complete state control of individuals' lives. Today, in the U.S. left wing vs right wing has devolved into a battle between policy positions, with little thought given to the underlying philosophies. This results in both sides talking past each other, and often disguising the reasons for their respective positions.

Take health care for example. Others in this thread have said that universal health care is part of an "extreme left" agenda. What would would be the center left position? And what is right's response? It opposes Medicaid expansion and advocates for private insurance competition to Medicare. But there is never debate over whether what healthcare policy should try to achieve (except maybe cost reduction) and whether healthcare for every American is a laudable goal.

Also in the U.S., because of the policy position divide, the terms "liberal" and "conservative" are often misapplied. The right does everything it can to increase the national debt (I'm going not by what Republicans say they want but what they actually do), which is hardly a conservative position. And it makes no sense to me that environmental protection is cited as a "left wing" position, especially since the most powerful environmental laws we have were passed by Republican presidents. Those on the left are actually "conservative" on the environment, opting to preserve or restore it, at the expense of economic activity.

In sum, I don't know what differentiates "extreme left" from center left, neither in terms of ideology nor (slightly less so) of policies. I find that most people who use the phrase don't know either.

 

[MT15]

It doesn’t help that the current president doesn’t really fit into a conservative camp, although his followers claim they are conservative. It muddies the waters even more than they were already.

And people refer to AOC and Sanders as Socialists, even though they are not that at all. Muddying things up again.