Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (1 Viewer)

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    Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

    Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

    As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

    Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

    How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

    Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    I don’t like how this is being portrayed - you don’t need legislation to travel across state borders. Full stop.
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    Why do they think they can have these laws that are being proposed then? It seems obvious to me, but many Rs are proposing these laws and anti-abortion people are supporting them. I read a focus group piece in NY Times of people (R, D, and independent) who oppose abortion, and one of the views expressed was that if you are in a state that allows abortion you should have to prove you’re a resident of that state to have the abortion. They didn’t mention anyone objecting to that idea.

    I honestly have no idea why people think this is okay. Even if they are anti-abortion.
     
    MT15 said:
    Why do they think they can have these laws that are being proposed then? It seems obvious to me, but many Rs are proposing these laws and anti-abortion people are supporting them. I read a focus group piece in NY Times of people (R, D, and independent) who oppose abortion, and one of the views expressed was that if you are in a state that allows abortion you should have to prove you’re a resident of that state to have the abortion. They didn’t mention anyone objecting to that idea.

    I honestly have no idea why people think this is okay. Even if they are anti-abortion.
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    Because they don't understand our system of government and they have fascist authoritarian tendencies. But it's patently unconstitutional.
     
    superchuck500 said:
    Free travel and privileges/immunities are rock solid in my opinion.
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    Yeah, I agree with this sentiment. The abortion issue has always been closely contested and sharp disagreement among most of the population going back to well before Roe.

    Free travel and such has no such issue. Our government would have to be pretty radically changed for that to no longer be a cornerstone of the Constitution.

    I suppose that sort of change is possible. But as it is now, even with this court, nope.
     
    Saintamaniac said:
    Somebody is going to lose a spouse to these laws and have nothing left to give a damn about and then we will begin to see terroristic style attacks on the people responsible for these laws. It will happen as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow.
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    I feel that for every woman that dies as a result of childbirth when they were denied an abortion or for every child rape victim that is forced to birth a child then a SC justice that voted down Roe vs Wade should die….karma and all……
     
    More unintended consequences
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    One month after receiving a two-month prescription for methotrexate, Jennifer Crow received a call from her pharmacist declining a refill until she talked to her physician.

    Ms Crow has taken a weekly methotrexate pill since April to treat inflammatory arthritis. She also has myasthenia gravis, a chronic autoimmune disorder causing weakness and fatigue. Adding methotrexate to her regimen “was that missing piece to give me that extra bit of independence and to cure the pain and inflammation,” she tells The Independent. “It helped me get strong again.”

    The call came on a Friday, hours after the US Supreme Court struck down the constitutional right to abortion. Her health provider was closed for the weekend.

    Methotrexate is considered a first-line treatment for people living with autoimmune conditions, including rheumatoid arthritis, lupus and psoriasis, among other chronic conditions, as well as some forms of cancer.

    The drug can also end pregnancies. Six states specifically mention methotrexate in their laws barring medication abortion, and more than 30 states have restricted access to abortion drugs. States that have outlawed abortion extend those restrictions to medication abortion……

    She typically takes methotrexate on Sunday nights, and she eventually was able to get her medication the following week. But the delay in her routine can mean “the difference between participating in daily life and being too tired and fatigued and worn out and in pain to do anything,” she says.

    She is not alone. Patients across the US shared their stories about their delayed or denied medications across social media, in Facebook groups for people living with autoimmune diseases, and with health organisations and medical groups collecting reports that pharmacies and physicians were beginning to reject prescriptions in the wake of the Supreme Court’s decision in Dobbs v Jackson Women’s Health Organization on 24 June…….

    www.independent.co.uk

    Why anti-abortion laws are putting autoimmune patients at risk

    Methotrexate treats rheumatoid arthritis, lupus and certain cancers. It can also be used to end pregnancies. After the collapse of Roe v Wade, patients tell Alex Woodward that they fear losing access to a critical drug
    www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
     
    In the Supreme Court’s momentous decision overturning Roe v. Wade, Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr. referred to the availability of adoption to women who find themselves pregnant with a child they do not want to parent.


    “... A woman who puts her newborn up for adoption today has little reason to fear that the baby will not find a suitable home,” Alito said, writing for the majority and summarizing the views of many Americans who oppose abortion.

    In a footnote, he cited a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report juxtaposing the tiny “domestic supply of infants” in 2002 with the nearly 1 million Americans waiting to adopt.

    Amid the furor that followed the court’s 6-3 ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization, an important point has been lost: The waiting lists to adopt infants will almost surely remain very long.

    “What we’re going to see, I think, is many more people parenting children that they did not intend to have,” said Gretchen Sisson, a sociologist and researcher on abortion and adoption in the Advancing New Standards in Reproductive Health program at the University of California San Francisco.


    For powerful emotional reasons, she said, “adoption has always been the rarest path to take.”


    The number of domestic infants relinquished in private adoptions that did not involve a stepparent has dropped about 2 percent a year since 2012 to 19,658 in 2020, according to the National Council for Adoption, a nonprofit, nonpartisan organization for adoption professionals and research.

    That’s a far cry from the peak of roughly 89,000 nonrelative adoptions in 1970, three years before Roe v. Wade legalized abortion nationwide.

    Sisson estimates that the new abortion bans will make an additional 10,000 infants available to adopt annually. That figure represents 9 percent of the estimated number of women who will be denied abortion……


     
    Yeah, I saw a study and I think I posted it here, that shows that most women who give up children for adoption suffer mental and emotional symptoms for the rest of their lives. Women will not give their babies up for adoption unless forced to do so. And if they do, they will feel guilt and shame for the rest of their days.
     
    Isn’t this author Laura Basset @TaylorB daughter?
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    Reproductive rights advocates have long warned that women would die if abortion were banned again—that children would be forced to give birth to their rapists’ babies.

    I’ve been covering abortion rights for over a decade, and I expected these horrifying, dystopian stories to trickle out over the next six months to maybe a year, forcing people to acknowledge a reality that had long been just hypothetical.

    Instead, the stories have sprayed out like a firehose:

    A 10-year-old rape survivor had to travel to another state to get safe abortion care, and politicians immediately went after the doctor who helped her;

    a Texas hospital let a woman with an ectopic pregnancy bleed until she almost died to avoid getting sued;

    Idaho Republicans overwhelmingly voted to let women die before giving them health care. The dystopia is upon us, and it arrived faster than anyone expected……

    jezebel.com

    Just 3 Weeks Post-Roe, The Stories Emerging Are Worse Than Anyone Imagined

    We knew it would be awful. We knew pregnant people's lives would be threatened. We didn't know it would all happen so fast.
    jezebel.com jezebel.com
     
    zztop said:
    I wonder, are they mostly men? They won't care b/c it doesn't personally affect them. B/c until/unless they go through something comparable they probably won't even blink
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    and maybe not even then

    Their situation is different, they are different, nope, not the same at all

    There was an article in this thread about anti-abortion women protesting a clinic, having an unexpected/unwanted pregnancy, getting an abortion at the very clinic they protested (usually by sneaking in a back entrance) then afterwards with zero shame going back to protest the very same clinic that just performed her abortion

    But her situation was different, she's not a hell bound murderous monster, all those other women are, all the clinic employees are, but not her

    These are women that it did personally affect and it still didn't matter to their views
     
    SFIDC3 said:
    I feel that for every woman that dies as a result of childbirth when they were denied an abortion or for every child rape victim that is forced to birth a child then a SC justice that voted down Roe vs Wade should die….karma and all……
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    Don't worry, your voted reps in congress are trying to make that happen for you.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    There was an article in this thread about anti-abortion women protesting a clinic, having an unexpected/unwanted pregnancy, getting an abortion at the very clinic they protested (usually by sneaking in a back entrance) then afterwards with zero shame going back to protest the very same clinic that just performed her abortion
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    yep, I posted an article about that (there may have been others posted)
    but here is mine for reference - with several dozen examples of hypocrites justifying THEIR decision(s)

    joycearthur.com

    “The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion”

    When the Anti-Choice Choose By Joyce Arthur Copyright © September, 2000 Available in a French translation Available in a German translation Available in a Russian translation Abortion is a highly p…
    joycearthur.com joycearthur.com
     

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