Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (3 Viewers)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[MT15]

Thread about the absolute lie the Ohio AG is peddling about the 10 yo rape victim case:







These laws are designed even to deter abortions that a doctor thinks is necessary at the cost of womens’ lives. They know this, but just don’t care.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

All this case does is just proves my belief that these disgusting "pro-life" people do not give a once you are born.

Healthcare - NOPE!
Affordable Higher Learning - NOPE!
Min Wage - NOPE!
Better Policing - NOPE!
Infrastructure Upgrades - NOPE!
Affordable Housing - NOPE!
Environmental Protection - NOPE!

etc, ect......................................................................................................................................

 

[MT15]

This - Peice of work - says the 10 yo girl should be forced to have her rapist‘s baby. And she will benefit from it.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

This - Peice of work - says the 10 yo girl should be forced to have her rapist‘s baby. And she will benefit from it.

He likely believes that had she not enjoyed the rape, she wouldn't have gotten pregnant! these people!

 

[MT15]

This editorial is kinder than I am toward these people

https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/2022/07/14/10-year-old-abortion/

 

[Optimus Prime]

On how Fox covered the story

Yesterday was my first time hearing about the illegal immigrant part

The Right: (We’re going to salvage something from this Clusterfork)

IF IT WASN’T FOR BIDEN’S FAILED IMMIGRATION POLICIES THIS NEVER WOULD HAVE HAPPENED!!!!
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June 24 was a happy day at Fox News. Roe v. Wade, the landmark 1973 Supreme Court decision codifying a right to abortion, had been overturned by the court’s ruling in Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization.

On his evening program, Fox host Jesse Watters took a victory lap tinged with his trademark snark:


“Abortion is an emotional issue, and liberals are furious, and they want you to know that,” said Watters, who also alleged that “the Democrat politicians are scaring the heck out of them.”


A few weeks later, it was Watters who appeared scared. Roe’s demise, which tossed abortion policy to the states, had been implicated in the story of a 10-year-old rape victim who was seeking an abortion. It was just the sort of scenario that abortion advocates had predicted.

Could Fox News handle it?

Nuh-uh……

Later on Tuesday, Fox News prime-time host Tucker Carlson said, “Why did the Biden administration — speaking of lying — just repeat a story about a 10-year-old child who got pregnant and they got an abortion or was not allowed to get an abortion when it turns out the story’s not true?”


But there was no lie at all: The Columbus Dispatch reported on Wednesday that a Columbus man — 27-year-old Gerson Fuentes — had been charged with rape of a 10-year-old. The newspaper cited a police official as testifying that the girl had undergone a medical abortion on June 30 in Indianapolis.

Ohio bans abortions after pregnancies reach six weeks, and the 10-year-old was six weeks and three days into her pregnancy when she was examined.

How did Watters filter the development? By attacking Bernard, the abortion provider at the center of the story.


Carlson (predictably) pivoted to a detail in the Dispatch’s story — namely, that Fuentes is “believed to be undocumented.” “10-YEAR-OLD’S RAPIST IS AN ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT” read a chyron adorning Carlson’s discussion of the case Wednesday night.

There was no “allegedly” in the screen graphic to signal that Fuentes hasn’t been convicted — a tendency that Carlson displayed years ago as he hyped high-profile rape charges against immigrants in Rockville, Md. — charges that were later dropped.

Another Fox News talking point emerged Wednesday night in Watters’s monologue, when he said the girl had not needed to flee to Indiana for the abortion.

For that bit of commentary, Watters was relying on an interview that he had aired Monday night with Ohio Attorney General Dave Yost. “Ohio’s heartbeat law has a medical emergency exception, broader than just the life of the mother,” Yost told Watters.

“She — this young girl — if she exists, and if this horrible thing actually happened to her, breaks my heart to think about it — she did not have to leave Ohio to find treatment.”


Elizabeth Nash, principal policy associate for state issues with the Guttmacher Institute, a research organization that supports abortion rights, points out that the exception for medical emergency (see text here) doesn’t encompass the circumstances of the 10-year-old rape victim.

“The medical emergency exception doesn’t include rape and incest,” Nash told the Erik Wemple Blog on Thursday. “It just doesn’t. It’s really disingenuous for [Yost] to have made this comment.”……..

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/14/10-year-old-rape-story-fox-news-criticism/

 

[Optimus Prime]

……Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R), a strong contender for the wingnuttiest AG in all the land, has filed a lawsuit against the Biden administration’s latest effort to establish that this exception is indeed meaningful.

The lawsuit claims that the effort attempts “to use federal law to transform every emergency room in the country into a walk-in abortion clinic.”

Paxton’s lawsuit is weak, to say the least.

But it provides another indication where this is all headed.


The background: After the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade, the Department of Health and Human Services issued guidance to state officials and hospitals reminding them of requirements mandated by the Emergency Medical Treatment and Labor Act (EMTALA).


That’s a federal law requiring medical facilities to either give “stabilizing treatment” to someone who arrives with a medical emergency, or transfer them to another hospital.

Under the law, if you show up to a hospital with a gunshot wound, the hospital must treat you even if, say, you don’t have insurance.

In this case, the administration was letting everyone know that if a patient “is experiencing an emergency medical condition as defined by EMTALA, and that abortion is the stabilizing treatment necessary to resolve that condition, the physician must provide that treatment." This applies no matter what a state’s law says about abortion.


Paxton’s lawsuit claims that because EMTALA does not specifically mandate particular medical procedures that must be performed, the federal government therefore can’t require that an abortion be performed.

But the law does require hospitals to do what is necessary to preserve patients’ lives — and in cases where that means an abortion, then doctors ought to be able to say they’d followed federal law.


Jenny Ma, a senior staff attorney at the Center for Reproductive Rights, notes that this is exactly what Texas is trying to prevent. “This lawsuit is just another example of how radical the anti-abortion movement really is,” Ma told us.


For good measure, Paxton throws in that “EMTALA contemplates that an emergency medical condition is one that threatens the life of the unborn child." How he decided that the law “contemplates” this, he does not say.


Nevertheless, it shows how the radical idea of “personhood” for a fetus — which says that from the moment of fertilization its rights are equal to that of a human being, rights that can potentially overcome those of the woman carrying it — will be finding its way into state laws.


All this points to dark turns that our post-Roe future will likely take. At issue will be whether health-care providers in states banning abortion will have flexibility to make hard decisions in life-threatening situations for women, or whether they’ll feel constrained by fear of prosecution……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/07/14/texas-lawsuit-paxton-biden-post-roe-future/

 

[MT15]

Ohio AG Yost is just a liar. And Texas AG Paxton credibly should be in jail for past offenses. These people are the modern Republican Party. They just are, there‘s no other way to look at it.

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

This is where most of the country is headed. The illusion of the “life of the mother” exceptions will lead to women dying who don’t need to die. These people are monsters.

Texas hospitals fearing abortion law delay pregnant women’s care, medical association says

The Texas Medical Association wants regulators to step in after hospitals reportedly refused to treat patients with serious pregnancy complications for fear...

www.dallasnews.com

“Fearing litigation, some providers have delayed abortions until patients’ conditions became life-threatening, according to a paper authored by Texas-based researchers and published in the New England Journal of Medicine.

The association, which declined to comment, does not identify any hospital by name in the letter, but it cites several examples.

One in Central Texas allegedly told a physician not to treat an ectopic pregnancy until it ruptured, which puts patient health at serious risk, according to the letter. An ectopic pregnancy, when a fertilized egg attaches outside of the uterus, is not viable.

“Delayed or prevented care in this scenario creates a substantial risk for the patient’s future reproductive ability and poses serious risk to the patient’s immediate physical wellbeing,” the letter said.

Two other hospitals may be directing doctors to send pregnant patients home to “expel the fetus” when their water breaks too early, instead of treating them at the hospital, the letter said.

In those situations, physicians have said that patients are at risk of infection.”

 

[Saintamaniac]

Somebody is going to lose a spouse to these laws and have nothing left to give a damn about and then we will begin to see terroristic style attacks on the people responsible for these laws. It will happen as sure as the sun will rise tomorrow.

 

[MT15]

I also saw a tweet where a blue check reporter has interviewed social workers and they tell her they see 11-15 yo pregnant girls just about every week. Onset of menses is now quite common in 10-11 yo, they say early menses is at 8 yo.

It’s not uncommon and people who would force these raped children to take a pregnancy to term are monsters.

 

[MT15]

Good editorial on the real reason conservatives wanted to discredit the true story about the 10 yo rape victim.

“Understand what is happening here. This is not an attempt to protect journalistic integrity or a pursuit of truth. This is an attempt to chill speech. Storytelling is and has long been a powerful tool of change and the stories of women and children who are harmed by abortion restrictions are only going to become more frequent. Making it difficult or dangerous to tell those stories is one way to limit public knowledge of and outcry about the consequences of draconian abortion restrictions. In attempting to expose the identity of a 10-year-old who was raped, calling into question the credibility of the physician who cared for her and harassing the journalist who reported on it, Fox and their henchmen seek to discourage the public exchange of information — through stories — about what is happening in hospitals around the country in the aftermath of Dobbs. We must recognize this for what it is and reject it. We must listen to those on the front lines of this new dystopia and tell their stories.”

Op/Ed: Dr. Caitlin Bernard right to protect privacy of 10-year-old rape victim

Dr. Caitlin Bernard withstood attempts to silence her ability to tell the story of girls and women who are harmed by abortion restrictions.

www.indystar.com

 

[brandon]

From one of @Optimus Prime 's articles.

The Wall Street Journal’s editorial board criticized Biden for perpetuating an “unlikely story from a biased source that neatly fits the progressive narrative but can’t be confirmed.”

That's the problem with the progressive narrative.

It's usually right.

 

[Saintamaniac]

It's a damn shame when doctor's have to resort to lawsuits to get public officials, the state AG no less, to stop spreading lies. I hope she files a defamation lawsuit against his stupid arse.

Doctor who treated 10-year-old rape victim sends Indiana AG cease and desist letter

Todd Rokita suggested the doctor may have violated a state law requiring doctors to report such incidents, but records show she complied with those requirements.

www.nbcnews.com

What happens to a lawyer if they are convicted of defamation? What happens to a state AG for doing the same?

 

[MT15]

I’m sending every article I post here to my Governor, my state Representative and my state Senator. They may get sick of me, but if and when they vote for one of these awful laws they will know they are killing women. They won’t be able to say they didn’t know.

Abortion laws spark profound changes in other medical care

The Supreme Court's decision to let states outlaw most abortions is having profound repercussions in reproductive medicine as well as in other areas of medical care.

apnews.com

 

[superchuck500]

Republican Senators blocked legislation by Democrats on Thursday that would have allowed for people to travel across state lines to seek an abortion.

The legislation was proposed by Senators Catherine Cortez Masto of Nevada and Patty Murray of Washington State and came amid news stories of a 10-year-old girl who was raped in Ohio and traveled to Indiana, where abortion is still legal, to seek a pregnancy termination.

“Because there are states right now that are limiting or trying to criminalizing it or turning it into a civil action against women who are trying to seek the services and criminalized and or civil penalties against providers in states where the services are being provided”, Ms Cortez Masto, who is up for reelection in Nevada, said.

It also came in response to lawmakers in places like Missouri have sought to pass legislation that would prohibit the ability to travel to seek an abortion in states with fewer restrictions on abortion……

Republican senators block legislation to allow travel across state lines for abortion

’This seems to be trying to inflame, to raise the ‘what-ifs’, Republican Senator James Lankford of Oklahoma says

www.independent.co.uk

I don’t like how this is being portrayed - you don’t need legislation to travel across state borders. Full stop.

 

[superchuck500]