Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (2 Viewers)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[coldseat]

I have to say that I'm pretty disappointed in the medical industry in red states folding so easily and limiting/restricting access to medication and treatment for women out of fear of what might come.

They need to be at the forefront of the fight challenging and repudiating laws that harm their patients treatment, but they're all folding like a cheap suit and cutting off access to woman because of what might happen. They should keep operating as normal until challenged and then fight back.

 

[coldseat]

Also, it's not the responsibility of blue states to come to the rescue of red state residents. They (we) need to do that on their own. I say that as somebody living in a red state.

 

[MT15]

 

[V Chip]

There goes another group of medical professionals and scientists who are going to be ostracized and demeaned.

 

[Nolaswede]

good article and I know it's not the point of the article but I wonder how the Republican dads feel

I noticed the title was Republican moms apologize and not Republican parents apologize
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When Vanessa Brangi, a 37-year-old in New Jersey, visited her mom to celebrate her 65th birthday over the last weekend in June, she didn’t hide that she was in a bad mood.

“I walked in the house, and she’s like, ‘How are you?’ ” Brangi remembered. “I flat-out said, ‘I guess I’m not a free person anymore.’ ”

Brangi was bemoaning the Supreme Court’s decision to overrule Roe v. Wade in the days prior. Politics have frequently been a source of strife between her and her right-leaning mother, but this time, her mother surprised her.

“When she said, ‘I agree. I think women need to be the one to make this choice,’ I was honestly shocked,” Brangi said. “I thought she was pretty far gone.”

Brangi is one of many twenty- and thirtysomethings around the country who have seen a different side of their mothers in the days since the Supreme Court struck down Americans’ constitutional right to an abortion.

More used to avoidance and disagreement about politics, some liberal adult kids are finding that their conservative mothers are actually in agreement with them when it comes to abortion—in some cases so staunchly that they’re reconsidering how they’re voting.

Take it from Chad, a 23-year-old in Arkansas who didn’t want to use his last name. “Two weeks ago, we had a conversation about—I think it was the Jan. 6 commission,” he said of his mom, who is 58. “She threw out the comment of, ‘Not all Republicans are bad.’ And now two weeks later, she’s telling me she’s probably never going to vote for another Republican, even in our state.”............

Caylie Smith, a 29-year-old in Los Angeles, always knew her mother, 57, supported abortion rights, LGBTQ rights, and gun control. But her parents have also always voted for Republicans despite those things, mostly because they thought Republicans were better on the economy. Not anymore, Smith told me.

“This is the thing that got her to change her mind,” she said. “Once this happened, I saw the change in her. She was like, ‘OK, enough is enough. This has gone way too far.’ ”

Smith said that she thinks part of what pushed her mother in this direction is seeing how upset she and her siblings are. In a text to her, her mom wrote, “I want you to know we love you and are totally on your side and if we need to march in the streets with you we will.”

“I didn’t really see that happening,” Smith said. “This is the first time I’ve really seen her this passionate.”............

MSN

www.msn.com

So you’re telling me there is a chance!

 

[MT15]

AOC is exactly right - SCOTUS doesn’t recognize the right to privacy. Not only that, if I’m correct SCOTUS also held that protests outside abortion clinic workers’ homes were protected free speech.



also this:

 

[MT15]

At a minimum we need a formal code of ethics for SCOTUS. They are giving the appearance of corrupt intent.

 

[zztop]

AOC is exactly right - SCOTUS doesn’t recognize the right to privacy. Not only that, if I’m correct SCOTUS also held that protests outside abortion clinic workers’ homes were protected free speech.

I posted something about it.. there might be more to it, than just clinics. Some clinics had barricades some 35 feet from the entrances. SC said "nope too far away, infringe on people's free speech"

meanwhile massive barricades were put up to protect the SC from protestors. And vastly farther back than 35 feet. Which makes me wonder, how can one be a violation of free speech, but the other (at an even greater distance than 35 feet) not be?

Abortion clinic 'buffer zones' violate first amendment – supreme court

Justices side with seven Massachusetts anti-abortion protesters who said 35-foot buffer zone infringed on free speech

www.theguardian.com

(and yet)

As abortion ruling nears, U.S. Supreme Court erects barricades to the public

Encircled by an ominous security fence and off-limits to the public since March 2020, the U.S. Supreme Court is poised in the coming weeks to issue a major ruling that could dramatically curtail abortion rights from behind closed doors with not a single justice in sight.

www.reuters.com

 

[MT15]

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

This might get interesting...



The DA usually has broad discretion in whom they choose to prosecute but, in Louisiana, the statute articulating such caveats it with the initial phrasing: "Subject to the supervision of the attorney general..."

If the Orleans Parish DA doesn't prosecute abortion cases, it's possible the AG (who, in a couple of years, will probably be Jeff Landry's handpicked successor Liz Murrill) could always step in and prosecute those cases. However, what would they do if the NOPD doesn't arrest people? Send in the state police?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Interesting article

side note- im not a hip hop fan, but I’ve never heard that 73 date before

I’ve always heard Late 70s New York
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Hip-hop culture is often recognized as being born on Aug. 11, 1973. That was about seven months after Roe v. Wade, the landmark decision that protected the right to choose to have an abortion.

Accordingly, reproductive rights have long been part of the discourse in rap music, which has always sought to hold a mirror to society to reflect its realities, values, ambitions, fantasies and taboos. With the U.S. Supreme Court having ruled that there is no constitutional right to an abortion, rap lyrics will undoubtedly reflect this new reality.

What follows is a sampling of rap songs from the past several decades that have dealt with the subject of abortion and reproductive rights in the era of Roe v. Wade. The list is by no means exhaustive.

Collectively, the songs represent a diversity of viewpoints and are written from a variety of perspectives – from guilt-ridden, would-be mothers and apprehensive fathers to the imagined vantage point of the unborn themselves.

La Femme Fétal,’ by Digable Planets (1993)​

This song actually presages a time when Roe v. Wade would no longer be the law of the land and even mentions Justice Clarence Thomas, who wrote in favor of the decision that overturned the case. It features a narrator who recounts a story of a friend who attempts to get an abortion but is harassed at the clinic.

If Roe v. Wade was overturned, would not the desire remain intact / Leaving young girls to risk their healths / And doctors to botch, and watch as they kill themselves / I don’t want to sound macabre / But hey, isn’t it my job / To lay it on the masses and get them off their arses / To fight against these fascists

‘Keep Ya Head Up’ by 2Pac (1993)​

Tupac has dealt with the plight of single mothers since his 1991 debut album, which featured “Brenda’s Got a Baby,” the story of a 12-year-old girl who is molested by a relative who gets her pregnant and then abandons her. In “Keep Ya Head Up,” from his sophomore album, Tupac defends a woman’s right to choose the circumstances under which she wants to give birth.

And since a man can’t make one / He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one / So will the real men get up / I know you’re fed up ladies, but keep your head up…..

Roe v. rap: Hip-hop artists have long wrestled with reproductive rights

Several rap songs speak on the subject of abortion from the perspective of the unborn child.

theconversation.com

 

[MT15]

This is encouraging;

 

[GrandAdmiral]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in traffic court. For our legal gurus, does she have an argument? Would it matter whether Dobbs was in force or not?

A pregnant woman got a ticket for driving in the HOV lane in Texas. She says her fetus was her passenger | CNN

The officer noted that there did not seem to be anyone else in the car, but Brandy Bottone had a retort – she was 34 weeks pregnant.

www.cnn.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in traffic court. For our legal gurus, does she have an argument? Would it matter whether Dobbs was in force or not?

A pregnant woman got a ticket for driving in the HOV lane in Texas. She says her fetus was her passenger | CNN

The officer noted that there did not seem to be anyone else in the car, but Brandy Bottone had a retort – she was 34 weeks pregnant.

www.cnn.com

Does having a baby in a car seat count as 2 passengers for the HOV lane now?

Be careful with stuff like this

I get the point - "I'm pregnant and if a fetus is a person then I can drive in the HOV lane. Ha Ha! Take that!"

That becomes "You were operating a moving vehicle with 2 passengers in the driver's seat which is against the law. So now pregnant women can't drive"

 

[Nolaswede]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in traffic court. For our legal gurus, does she have an argument? Would it matter whether Dobbs was in force or not?

A pregnant woman got a ticket for driving in the HOV lane in Texas. She says her fetus was her passenger | CNN

The officer noted that there did not seem to be anyone else in the car, but Brandy Bottone had a retort – she was 34 weeks pregnant.

www.cnn.com

And if a man leaves and doesn’t take care of the baby, 9 months of extra child support should be added!

 

[Nolaswede]

Does having a baby in a car seat count as 2 passengers for the HOV lane now?

Be careful with stuff like this

I get the point - "I'm pregnant and if a fetus is a person then I can drive in the HOV lane. Ha Ha! Take that!"

That becomes "You were operating a moving vehicle with 2 passengers in the driver's seat which is against the law. So now pregnant women can't drive"

The lawyers will make sure that won’t happen! They need more accidents and lawsuits!

 

[superchuck500]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out in traffic court. For our legal gurus, does she have an argument? Would it matter whether Dobbs was in force or not?

A pregnant woman got a ticket for driving in the HOV lane in Texas. She says her fetus was her passenger | CNN

The officer noted that there did not seem to be anyone else in the car, but Brandy Bottone had a retort – she was 34 weeks pregnant.

www.cnn.com

I think she has a pretty good argument based on Texas law. But you have to look at the precise terminology in each state to figure these things out.

First of all, Dobbs doesn't say that fetus are people under the law - Dobbs says that the constitutional basis upon which Roe and Casey overturned state abortion laws is misplaced . . . and that there actually is no constitutional basis to overturn state abortion laws. Ergo, state abortion laws are now enforceable.

Texas's abortion law basically protects a fetus from abortion from the time of the first detectable heartbeat. Throughout the law it refers to "unborn child" as the thing that is being protected. But also if you look to Texas's general definitions section in its penal code, it defines an "Individual" as "a human being who is alive, including an unborn child at every stage of gestation from fertilization until birth." I think you can presume "individual" and "person" are synonymous.

I can't find and don't feel like looking any further for the actual statute or regulation that defines how HOV lanes work in Texas, but the state's DOT page says HOV use is for passenger vehicles "occupied by two or more people."

Under Texas law, a pregnant woman appears to be two people. But that's really based on how Texas defines "Individual" - and I'm not sure if that was even related to Dobbs or the "trigger" abortion law at all. Of course, there may be some rule or definition somewhere that precludes this argument.

 

[MT15]

All these personhood from conception people are doing is opening a huge can of worms that will affect lots of people’s lives in unforeseen ways. For example, without IVF I wouldn’t have any grandchildren right now - are they sure they want to outlaw IVF? Because giving a fertilized egg all the rights of a full human being means no more IVF. It also makes every miscarriage a potential murder which can be litigated I would think. Even if prosecutors decide not to prosecute what would prevent wrongful death suits from in-laws or boyfriends or ex-husbands?