Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (2 Viewers)

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    Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

    Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

    As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

    Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

    How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

    Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.
     
    And if something bad happens to anybody, there’s no need to try to help or prevent any disasters because it was obviously what God wanted to happen to them. So completely messed up.
     
    MT15 said:
    And if something bad happens to anybody, there’s no need to try to help or prevent any disasters because it was obviously what God wanted to happen to them. So completely messed up.
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    Messed up indeed, but that also sort of goes with the right wings anti-control extremism. "Gun violence and mass murders will happen anyway, so why should my right to own a weapon of war be constrained or harder to get. Can't do anything about it anyway."
     
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    Embarrassing, but I am going to talk about my bladder.

    I’d prefer not to. But it seems important to mention how it’s been leaking since my first child was born (common after childbearing) now that Roe v. Wade appears poised to fall.

    Should the Supreme Court overturn that decision, more than half of U.S. states plan to severely restrict abortion care and will thus mandate pregnant women to give birth and suffer such physical consequences.

    Leaking urine is only one impact of childbirth on the female body. And it’s not the worst of a long list.

    Like abortion foes who wave photos of bloody fetuses outside clinics (fetuses that could not survive outside a woman’s uterus), we who oppose the annihilation of our bodily autonomy ought to plaster statehouses with photos of our episiotomy incisions, our Caesarean scars, our intravenous-line hematomas, our bloody postnatal sanitary pads and bloodstained bedsheets, our cracked nipples and infected breasts.

    Or maybe we should erect billboards featuring women who have died in childbirth — two or more every day in the United States — especially those whose deaths left their existing children motherless.

    Perhaps we could stop these brutal laws by playing films of women in labor on loop in judges’ courtrooms, sound full on, the agonies of laboring women loudly audible, not reduced to 30 seconds of soft-focus grimacing, as in the movies.

    Antiabortion lawmakers — most of them male — cruelly dismiss this suffering and a woman’s right to opt out of it. If they respected women and focused on that suffering, on the risks and toll of childbearing, perhaps they would stop treating women as mere incubating machines.

    To expose abortion bans and restrictions for what they are, let’s call them what they are: forced-birth laws, or government-mandated childbirth.

    This language centers the pregnant woman in the law — her suffering, the toll on her body.

    Our graphic and public accounts of this toll are called for to make the case for our rights.

    My first child was born after a high-risk pregnancy by emergency Caesarean section. The procedure left a six-inch scar across my abdomen. My uterus was also cut, then sutured (causing scar tissue that now, years later, may require me to have a hysterectomy).

    As the doctor prepared to stitch me up post-delivery, I heard her say: “Put the bladder back in first.”……..

    Childbirth has been likened, by many of us who have experienced it, to a kind of torture. The waves of severe contractions, the pushing and splitting open, the exhaustion and suffering were such that if anyone had asked me, in labor, to reveal state secrets, I’d have divulged all, invented fabulous plots, implicated my loved ones. Anything to stop the torment. But again: I chose to endure that pain……

    A wise grandmother once told me: “The decision to have a child is a decision to have your heart go walking outside your body for the rest of your life.”

    What happens if that decision is made in a statehouse? A courtroom?

    Does the lawmaker’s heart walk with a child — the one whose mother was denied an abortion — for life? Does that lawmaker ensure that an unwanted child will have love and care, food and shelter? Will that lawmaker protect that child from abuse?…..



     
    Impact of changing laws
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    Whenever a new patient pulls into the parking lot at the Tulsa Women’s Clinic, Tiffany Taylor rushes to flick on the lights. She turns off her indie folk playlist, looks out at the empty waiting room and prepares to deliver a speech she has recited about a dozen times since the Oklahoma legislature passed a bill last month banning abortions from the moment of fertilization.


    “I’m so sorry,” the nurse says to anyone who wanders in, asking about abortion. “But there’s this new law.”
Oklahoma late last month became the first state in the country to successfully outlaw abortion, offering a glimpse of a post-Roe v. Wade America even while the landmark Supreme Court precedent still stands.

    Just months ago, Oklahoma’s four abortion clinics were working overtime, scheduling record numbers of appointments as patients from Texas — where abortion has been severely restricted since the fall — streamed across the border.

    Now the clinics are desolate. Nurses are filing paperwork and watching Netflix. At Trust Women, a clinic in Oklahoma City that used to get 500 calls a day, staff say the phone has stopped ringing…….

     
    Interesting read
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    Last month, after news broke that the Supreme Court apparently intends to strike down Roe v. Wade, President Biden said the word “abortion” out loud for the first time in his presidency.

    Officially, he supports the right to abortion, but he prefers to use terms such as “reproductive choice” and “women’s health.”

    Biden’s hesitancy may reflect personal discomfort. But he’s not alone in avoiding the term.

    Supporters of the right to abortion often stumble over the word itself, choosing “choice” as a more acceptable thing to be “pro.”

    Only recently in the long history of the abortion debate have advocacy groups started to press for use of the word “abortion” and ask that people “shout” their abortions, as one campaign puts it.

    But clearly the word still makes people queasy. So I think we should try using a different one — a word that frames abortion not as the end of a pregnancy but as the restoration of a pregnant person’s health and agency.

    “Abortion” points to the pregnancy, after all, not to the person who doesn’t want to be pregnant. “Abortion” points to what happens to the development of the fetus, not to what happens to the person unwilling to be its host.

    There is precedent for this. In fact, the practice of reframing abortion in terms of women’s health and well-being is deeply rooted in this nation’s history and tradition.

    In the 18th and most of the 19th century, before abortion became the province of the medical establishment and the courts, the procedure was widespread, and abortifacients — drugs that cause abortions — were widely marketed. But there was no advertising for “abortions.”

    Instead there were ads for “Relief for Ladies” suffering from “obstructed menses.” “Female renovating pills” treated “all cases where nature has stopped from any cause.”

    Dr. Pierce’s Favorite Prescription promised to clear away “all the troubles and ailments that make woman’s life a burden to her. She’s relieved, cured, and restored.”

    “This invaluable medicine,” read an ad for Sir J. Clarke’s Female Pills, “moderates all excess, removes all obstructions, and brings on the monthly period with regularity.”

    Another promised that “Beecham’s Pills taken as directed restore females to complete health.”……

    Women knew what regaining their “regularity” really meant, though, just as today we all know that a “cleanse” or a “detox” most likely includes a laxative or diuretic.

    Early Viagra ads said “love life again” — not “chemically induce your erection.”

    But even if marketing Dr. Peter’s French Renovating Pills as “a blessing to mothers” was euphemistic, it circulated a potent message about women’s perfectly reasonable desire not to be pregnant.

    A desire they have been seeking means to fulfill since at least the Roman Empire……

     
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    So, we heard breathlessly from Rs about the guy who was trying to “kill” Justice Kavanaugh, many of them seeming to be more upset about that threat than the massacres other places. Hmmm…..

     
    MT15 said:
    So, we heard breathlessly from Rs about the guy who was trying to “kill” Justice Kavanaugh, many of them seeming to be more upset about that threat than the massacres other places. Hmmm…..

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    false flag operation maybe?
     
    Farb said:
    false flag operation maybe?
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    lol, doubt it. More like Rs making a mountain out of a molehill while ignoring the slaughter of innocent kids. But I’m sure you can make it into a conspiracy if you try hard enough.
     
    MT15 said:
    lol, doubt it. More like Rs making a mountain out of a molehill while ignoring the slaughter of innocent kids. But I’m sure you can make it into a conspiracy if you try hard enough.
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    I haven't been following what Republicans have been saying about it (though I can imagine) but it's wrong to just dismiss it as a molehill.. the guy apparently traveled from California to Maryland and only called 911 there after he got close enough to Kavanaugh's house that he saw the security detail which seems like made him change his plans:

    As detailed as Roske’s plans may have been, court records and newly released 911 calls also document how quickly he abandoned them. Once arriving to the Maryland home early Wednesday, Roske spotted two deputy U.S. marshals, part of Kavanaugh’s security detail, standing outside a car, according to an FBI affidavit filed in federal court. He walked away, turned a corner and called 911 to turn himself in.
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    Okay, fair point.

    What I was reacting to was McConnell standing on the floor of the Senate and saying that they had to pass a new bill for this before this day is over, essentially. But they are slow-walking gun safety measures that would attempt to prevent actual massacres of children.

    Someone more cynical than I am noticed how shook McConnell was about this and said “he worked too hard buying the current SCOTUS, he wants to protect his investment”.
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    “Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding,” her favorite proverb says, and she returns to it again and again. “He will make your paths straight.”
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    Talk about something I don't want my medical professional to ever say, ever.

    Optimus Prime said:
    “We need to have a real conversation about what we describe as Christianity,”
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    Now, hear me out... :hihi:
     
    MT15 said:
    They just keep getting more and more extreme:

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    Well, if one is a Christian, and believes in the scriptures, Jeremiah 1:5 says:

    “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I set you apart and appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

    I have heard this passage interpreted 2 ways: 1. that God was specifically referring to Jeremiah and Jeremiah alone, and 2. that God knew every soul before they were formed in their mother's womb, the latter being the more prevalent interpretation.

    Has anyone here told someone "he has a plan for you" after an unfortunate event?
     
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