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    Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

    Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

    As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

    Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

    How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

    Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.
     
    A ballot measure to enshrine abortion protections in Florida’s Constitution does not have enough support to pass, according to a new poll.

    The survey from St. Pete Polls conducted for FloridaPolitics.com showed a majority of voters support the measure — far more than those who would vote “no.” There were also nearly 8 percent who said they were undecided or wouldn’t answer.

    But Florida requires an unusually high threshold of 60 percent of voters to approve a ballot measure, and the poll showed the measure falling short with 54 percent.

    The poll of 1,227 likely Florida general election voters was conducted from Oct. 23-25 with a 2.8 percentage point margin of error. Nearly 80 percent of Democrats said they were in favor of the amendment, while nearly 59 percent of Republicans said they were against it.

    Supporters of the amendment hope to persuade the undecided voters, who comprise 9 percent of Republicans and 7.5 percent independents, according to the poll.

    Abortion rights have won in all seven states where there has been a ballot question in the two years since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

    Florida is one of 10 states this year with abortion ballot questions, and polling shows the measures are set to pass in nearly all of the other nine — but those states just need a simple majority……..

     
    I don’t necessarily believe polls, because a lot of women will not disclose how they will vote on this issue. Especially in front of husbands, boyfriends, etc. if they don’t agree.

    and i doubt they have faith that poll information couldn't be obtained. if it hit over 60%, Desantis would find a way to up his tactics...
     
    Theresa Lee was 22 weeks pregnant last year when her doctor confirmed the news: she had no amniotic fluid and the baby she was expecting, who she had named Cielle, was not growing.

    In many states across the US, Lee would have been advised that terminating the doomed pregnancy was an option, and possibly the safest course to protect her own life.

    But in the state of Arkansas, Lee was told she had just one choice: wait it out.

    A doctor who had confirmed the diagnosis was apologetic but insistent: the state’s laws meant he could be fined or jailed if he performed an abortion.

    In the wake of the US supreme court’s 2022 decision to overturn Roe v Wade, Arkansas activated a so-called trigger law that made all abortion illegal except if a woman was in an acute medical emergency and facing death.

    There are no other exceptions: not for rape victims, minors or fatal fetal anomalies.

    For the next five weeks, on a weekly basis, doctors knew Lee – already a mother to one-year-old Camille at the time – was at risk because she had placenta previa, which could cause bleeding and death.

    But she returned regularly to her OB-GYN’s office to be scanned, waiting to hear if Cielle’s fetal heartbeat had stopped.

    “I was having to prepare for if I passed. Me and my husband had to have a lot of really tough conversations about all the outcomes, just to prepare in case I wasn’t going to be there for my husband and my daughter,” she said.

    Lee never seriously considered leaving the state to get an abortion because the cost seemed exorbitant, childcare would be an issue, and she was uncertain about whether she could face criminal charges once she came home. None of her doctors ever suggested it, either.

    “I would have had an abortion, 100%. I am very much a realist. I knew she was going to pass. Having to carry her week after week and knowing she was going to pass, it was a horrific waiting game,” she said.……

     
    A ballot measure to enshrine abortion protections in Florida’s Constitution does not have enough support to pass, according to a new poll.

    The survey from St. Pete Polls conducted for FloridaPolitics.com showed a majority of voters support the measure — far more than those who would vote “no.” There were also nearly 8 percent who said they were undecided or wouldn’t answer.

    But Florida requires an unusually high threshold of 60 percent of voters to approve a ballot measure, and the poll showed the measure falling short with 54 percent.

    The poll of 1,227 likely Florida general election voters was conducted from Oct. 23-25 with a 2.8 percentage point margin of error. Nearly 80 percent of Democrats said they were in favor of the amendment, while nearly 59 percent of Republicans said they were against it.

    Supporters of the amendment hope to persuade the undecided voters, who comprise 9 percent of Republicans and 7.5 percent independents, according to the poll.

    Abortion rights have won in all seven states where there has been a ballot question in the two years since the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade.

    Florida is one of 10 states this year with abortion ballot questions, and polling shows the measures are set to pass in nearly all of the other nine — but those states just need a simple majority……..

    Polls showed the same thing in Kansas, but it passed by about 60% of the vote. The measure in Ohio passed by quite a bit more than the polls showed. I hope Florida follows in their footsteps.
     
    the biggest reason Desantis doesn't want it on the ballot, isn't because he thinks it'll pass, he doesn't want it on the ballot because he knows it'll bring extra votes against Trump. there will be extra voters turning out soley for that.. he defenitly doesn't want that..
     
    More on this latest case from ProPublica. How many more women are dead because of these laws?





    In addition to the needless deaths, the physical and emotional damage that’s being done.

    It’s absolutely a consequence of the barbaric laws in place that threaten medical personnel with long prison sentences. It is forcing them to betray the oath they took.

    Women who support this in states like Texas are going to find it increasingly difficult to get access to quality healthcare, whatever their medical needs. The best doctors aren’t going to expose themselves to extreme criminal liability if they can practice elsewhere.

    With the ever present possibility of pregnancy complications forming, obstetrics is going to be negatively affected, and quality of care eroded, the longer these laws exist.
     
    CHICAGO (AP) — Billboards with the words “STOP Child Gender Surgery.” Pamphlets warning about endangering minors. “PROTECT PARENT RIGHTS” plastered on church bulletins.

    As voters in nine states determine whether to enshrine abortion rights in their state constitutions, opponents are using parental rights and anti-transgender messages to try to undermine supportfor the ballot proposals.

    The measures do not mention gender-affirming surgeries, and legal experts say changing existing parental notification and consent laws regarding abortions and gender-affirming care for minors would require court action.

    But anti-abortion groups hoping to end a losing streak at the ballot box have turned to the type of language many Republican candidates nationwide are using in their own campaigns as they seek to rally conservative Christian voters.

    “It’s really outlandish to suggest that this amendment relates to things like gender reassignment surgery for minors,” said Matt Harris, an associate professor of political science at Park University in Parkville, Missouri, a state where abortion rights are on the ballot.

    Since the U.S. Supreme Court eliminated constitutional protections for abortion, voters in seven states, including conservative Kentucky, Montana and Ohio, have either protected abortion rights or defeated attempts to curtail them.

    “If you can’t win by telling the truth, you need a better argument, even if that means capitalizing on the demonization of trans children,” said Dr. Alex Dworak, a family medicine physician in Omaha, Nebraska, where anti-abortion groups are using the strategy.


    Tying abortion-rights ballot initiatives to parental rights and gender-affirming is a strategy borrowed from playbooks used in Michigan and Ohio, where voters nonetheless enshrined abortion rights in the state constitutions…….

     
    So many doctors, so many women, so many experts told the GOP that their senseless laws would kill women. They knew, and enacted them anyway.

    “Nevaeh Crain was crying in pain, too weak to walk, blood staining her thighs. Feverish and vomiting the day of her baby shower, the 18-year-old had gone to two different emergency rooms within 12 hours, returning home each time worse than before.

    The first hospital diagnosed her with strep throat without investigating her sharp abdominal cramps. At the second, she screened positive for sepsis, a life-threatening and fast-moving reaction to an infection, medical records show. But doctors said her six-month fetus had a heartbeat and that Crain was fine to leave.

    Now on Crain’s third hospital visit, an obstetrician insisted on two ultrasounds to “confirm fetal demise,” a nurse wrote, before moving her to intensive care.

    By then, more than two hours after her arrival, Crain’s blood pressure had plummeted and a nurse had noted that her lips were “blue and dusky.” Her organs began failing.

    Hours later, she was dead.”

     
    Death isn’t normally a biological “event” so much as it is a process. By the laws being written the way they are, doctors are forced to let women start to actually die before they can treat them. They won’t be able to stop the process every time. These laws are monstrous. People who support them have these women’s deaths on their hands.

    I saw a woman on MSNBC this morning who survived her experience. It happened 2 weeks ago in GA I think. She is educated, intelligent and articulate. I wish I could post that interview - if I see it I will. She was hemorrhaging in her second trimester, along with a broken amniotic sac. The fetus cannot survive this, but it still had a heartbeat. The longer she is untreated, the more risk she has for infection - sepsis, which is a very dangerous condition that is often fatal, as we see in the story above. Not to mention she was hemorrhaging pretty badly as well, which affects her ability to ward off any infection that develops.

    She had to wait for over 24 hours for the fetus’ heartbeat to cease to get treated. The doctors were very worried, she was terrified as was her husband. They promised her they wouldn’t let her die, but that’s an empty promise - if she had developed sepsis they may not have even able to save her.

    This is the precise result everyone was warned about. They did it anyway. It’s monstrous.
     
    Death isn’t normally a biological “event” so much as it is a process. By the laws being written the way they are, doctors are forced to let women start to actually die before they can treat them. They won’t be able to stop the process every time. These laws are monstrous. People who support them have these women’s deaths on their hands.

    I saw a woman on MSNBC this morning who survived her experience. It happened 2 weeks ago in GA I think. She is educated, intelligent and articulate. I wish I could post that interview - if I see it I will. She was hemorrhaging in her second trimester, along with a broken amniotic sac. The fetus cannot survive this, but it still had a heartbeat. The longer she is untreated, the more risk she has for infection - sepsis, which is a very dangerous condition that is often fatal, as we see in the story above. Not to mention she was hemorrhaging pretty badly as well, which affects her ability to ward off any infection that develops.

    She had to wait for over 24 hours for the fetus’ heartbeat to cease to get treated. The doctors were very worried, she was terrified as was her husband. They promised her they wouldn’t let her die, but that’s an empty promise - if she had developed sepsis they may not have even able to save her.

    This is the precise result everyone was warned about. They did it anyway. It’s monstrous.
    I expect ProPublica to publish at least 1 story a day until there is a change in these laws that are killing so many women. They are just scratching the surface because I believe that there many more deaths and maiming out there that are purposely hidden through ambiguous causes.
     
    So many doctors, so many women, so many experts told the GOP that their senseless laws would kill women. They knew, and enacted them anyway.

    “Nevaeh Crain was crying in pain, too weak to walk, blood staining her thighs. Feverish and vomiting the day of her baby shower, the 18-year-old had gone to two different emergency rooms within 12 hours, returning home each time worse than before.

    The first hospital diagnosed her with strep throat without investigating her sharp abdominal cramps. At the second, she screened positive for sepsis, a life-threatening and fast-moving reaction to an infection, medical records show. But doctors said her six-month fetus had a heartbeat and that Crain was fine to leave.

    Now on Crain’s third hospital visit, an obstetrician insisted on two ultrasounds to “confirm fetal demise,” a nurse wrote, before moving her to intensive care.

    By then, more than two hours after her arrival, Crain’s blood pressure had plummeted and a nurse had noted that her lips were “blue and dusky.” Her organs began failing.

    Hours later, she was dead.”


    I don't know if I could keep myself from killing one of those doctors.
     
    Death isn’t normally a biological “event” so much as it is a process. By the laws being written the way they are, doctors are forced to let women start to actually die before they can treat them. They won’t be able to stop the process every time. These laws are monstrous. People who support them have these women’s deaths on their hands.

    I saw a woman on MSNBC this morning who survived her experience. It happened 2 weeks ago in GA I think. She is educated, intelligent and articulate. I wish I could post that interview - if I see it I will. She was hemorrhaging in her second trimester, along with a broken amniotic sac. The fetus cannot survive this, but it still had a heartbeat. The longer she is untreated, the more risk she has for infection - sepsis, which is a very dangerous condition that is often fatal, as we see in the story above. Not to mention she was hemorrhaging pretty badly as well, which affects her ability to ward off any infection that develops.

    She had to wait for over 24 hours for the fetus’ heartbeat to cease to get treated. The doctors were very worried, she was terrified as was her husband. They promised her they wouldn’t let her die, but that’s an empty promise - if she had developed sepsis they may not have even able to save her.

    This is the precise result everyone was warned about. They did it anyway. It’s monstrous.

    It's incredibly hypocritical how these laws fly in the face of their fevered promotion of firearms.

    Is a woman's womb not her castle? If something in her castle threatens her life, she can shoot it. But she can't slay it in any other way. Insane.
     

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