Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (3 Viewers)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[MT15]

I cannot even fathom the degree of arrogance that makes these men think women are going to meekly allow their rights to be stripped away.

 

[Optimus Prime]

I cannot even fathom the degree of arrogance that makes these men think women are going to meekly allow their rights to be stripped away.

Im sure many women are planning on doing exactly this

Article posted earlier about women trying to make sure their husbands can’t find out who they voted for

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Im sure many women are planning on doing exactly this

Article posted earlier about women trying to make sure their husbands can’t find out who they voted for

i really think my mother in law is one of them. I'm pretty certain she voted for Clinton in 16, but my father in law has become one who feeds on all the rhetoric from the right. before 2016 i never heard him talk politics. since 2020, I'm not say he's gone full MAGA, but if it wasn't for my mother in law pulling him back a little bit, he would. but i do think he convinced her to vote Trump in 2020. but i hope she's one of these silent ones. my wife isn't a silent one. she will not vote Trump. and her parents know.
my wife's best friend, is also one of the silent ones. her parents, aunts, uncles, most of her cousins, etc are all Trumpsters. she never agrees with them, but she would never tell them she will not vote for Trump. her two sisters are with her one is married to a woman, and i know she is the same way.
they'll never tell their father they won't vote Trump.

 

[Optimus Prime]

WASHINGTON (AP) — Bleeding and in pain, Kyleigh Thurman didn’t know her doomed pregnancy could kill her.

Emergency room doctors at Ascension Seton Williamson in Texas handed her a pamphlet on miscarriage and told her to “let nature take its course” before discharging her without treatment for her ectopic pregnancy.

When the 25-year-old returned three days later, still bleeding, doctors finally agreed to give her an injection intended to end the pregnancy. But it was too late. The fertilized egg growing on Thurman’s fallopian tube would rupture it, destroying part of her reproductive system.

That’s according to a complaint Thurman and the Center for Reproductive Rights filed last week asking the government to investigate whether the hospital violated a federal law when staff failed to treat her initially in February 2023.

“I was left to flail,” Thurman said. “It was nothing short of being misled.”



Even as the Biden administration has publicly warned hospitals to treat pregnant patients in emergencies, facilities continue to violate the federal law.

More than 100 pregnant women in medical distress who sought help from emergency rooms were turned away or negligently treated since 2022, an Associated Press analysis of federal hospital investigations has found.

Two women – one in Florida and one in Texas – were left to miscarry in public restrooms. In Arkansas, a woman went into septic shock and her fetus died after an emergency room sent her home. At least four other women with ectopic pregnancies had trouble getting any treatment, including one California woman who needed a blood transfusion after she sat for nine hours in an emergency waiting room.

The White House says hospitals must offer abortions when needed to save a woman’s health, despite state bans. Texas is challenging that guidance and, earlier this summer, the Supreme Court declined to resolve the issue.

Abortion bans complicate risky pregnancy care


In Texas, where doctors face up to 99 years of prison if convicted of performing an illegal abortion, medical and legal experts say the law is complicating decision-making around emergency pregnancy care.

Although the state law says termination of ectopic pregnancies is not considered abortion, the draconian penalties scare Texas doctors from treating those patients, the Center for Reproductive Rights argues.……

Dozens of pregnant women, some bleeding or in labor, being turned away from ERs despite federal law

More than 100 pregnant women in medical distress who sought help from emergency rooms were turned away or negligently treated since 2022.

apnews.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Im sure many women are planning on doing exactly this

Article posted earlier about women trying to make sure their husbands can’t find out who they voted for

Not the article (which @MT15 may have posted) but covers same ground

 

[Optimus Prime]

Arizona voters will get to decide in November whether to add the right to an abortion to the state constitution.

The Arizona secretary of state’s office said Monday that it had certified 577,971 signatures — far above the required number that the coalition supporting the ballot measure had to submit in order to put the question before voters.

The coalition, Arizona for Abortion Access, said it is the most signatures validated for a citizens initiative in state history.

“This is a huge win for Arizona voters who will now get to vote YES on restoring and protecting the right to access abortion care, free from political interference, once and for all,” campaign manager Cheryl Bruce said in a statement.…….

With over 577,000 signatures verified, Arizona will put abortion rights on the ballot

Voters in Arizona will get to decide in November whether to add the right to an abortion up to about 24 weeks to the state constitution.

apnews.com

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

doesn't really matter. the voters will vote to approve rights, the Republican controlled Arizona legislature will find a way to nullify it or tie it up in the courts.. but they narrowly have control and it will cost them control in the long run..

 

[Optimus Prime]

doesn't really matter. the voters will vote to approve rights, the Republican controlled Arizona legislature will find a way to nullify it or tie it up in the courts.. but they narrowly have control and it will cost them control in the long run..

I know that’s happened before

Politicians put something on the ballot “we’ll let the people decide” or the people demand something goes on the ballot “let us decide”

The vote doesn’t go the way the politicians want or expect and then they decide “Fork you voters! We’re going to do what we want anyway!”

How does that work exactly?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I know that’s happened before

Politicians put something on the ballot “we’ll let the people decide” or the people demand something goes on the ballot “let us decide”

The vote doesn’t go the way the politicians want or expect and then they decide “Fork you voters! We’re going to do what we want anyway!”

How that work exactly?

ithink they pulled this in Kansas..

 

[MT15]

Here’s another angle I had failed to consider in states with abortion bans.

 

[SaintRob]

Here’s another angle I had failed to consider in states with abortion bans.

Wait, a hysterectomy isn’t an abortion. Why is this an issue?

 

[fooferdoggie]

Wait, a hysterectomy isn’t an abortion. Why is this an issue?

got to have the woman breed til they die How else can you make more republicans?

 

[MT15]

Wait, a hysterectomy isn’t an abortion. Why is this an issue?

They probably have to do some paperwork since they think she is still capable of having children. Christian Nationalists (which is where a lot of these ideas originate) have a real obsession with women having children.

 

[MT15]

New polling. Notice that Trump’s attempt to pivot toward ‘let the states decide’ is very unpopular. He’s such a stable genius.

 

[Taurus]

New polling. Notice that Trump’s attempt to pivot toward ‘let the states decide’ is very unpopular. He’s such a stable genius.

If they vote, Cheato gets buried.

 

[not2rich]

They probably have to do some paperwork since they think she is still capable of having children. Christian Nationalists (which is where a lot of these ideas originate) have a real obsession with women having children.

What they won't say out loud is they want WHITE women having children.

 

[LA - L.A.]

What they won't say out loud is they want WHITE women having children.

At the very beginning of the anti-abortion movement that started in the mid to late 60's, if I remember correctly, a prominent person wrote a paper or a book that kicked off the Republican parties obsession with outlawing all abortions everywhere. The paper or the book was written to raise the alarm bells about how the percentage of the population that is white was dwindling because white people weren't having as many children as non-whites. The author argued that one of the essential steps in reversing that trend was to make all abortion illegal at the national level.

It was said aloud at the very beginning of the anti-abortion movement, but no one prominent has ever said it again in public.

 

[Optimus Prime]

While a new survey finds that more than half of Florida voters support a state ballot initiative to protect abortion rights, it might not be enough to clinch passage in November’s election.

A poll released Wednesday from Florida Atlantic University (FAU) and Mainstreet USA found 56 percent of Sunshine State voters support the proposed amendment, falling short of the 60 percent threshold Florida requires for constitutional amendments to become law.

Slightly more women said they would vote for Amendment 4 than men, 59 percent to 54 percent. A greater share, 62 percent, of 18- to 49-year-olds support the initiative, pollsters added.

Party voters are much more split on the issue, with Democrats largely in support of the initiative versus 35 percent of Republicans and 59 percent of independents.

Amendment 4 would prohibit laws in the state from restricting or banning abortion until fetal viability. It has faced various challenges from state officials even after Florida’s Supreme Court greenlighted it for the ballot in May.

The most recent numbers are an increase from April, when the amendment had 49 percent support, Luzmarina Garcia, Ph.D., assistant professor of political science at FAU, wrote in a statement.

Compared with another poll, however, it is a drop in support from last month.

The earlier poll, released late last month from University of North Florida’s Public Opinion Research Lab, found 69 percent of respondents said they would vote for the amendment, 13 points higher than FAU’s survey............

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