Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (1 Viewer)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[wardorican]

“Technically what you did is murder - but don’t worry they can’t prove it” isn’t the most persuasive strategy.

I hear you. Just trying to bracket the stupidity.

 

[MT15]

I don’t see them supporting some kind of national law so I think they’re happy to leave it to the state houses - I don’t think that position (that the Dobbs case is rightly decided and it should be left to the states) will be that risky for the federal representative candidates. It’s going to be on the various state efforts where the challenges and risk are going to most relevant.

Then why the Mitch McConnell statement that he thinks a national ban is possible? Is it because he wants to fire up his voters? I think it has more of an effect on the suburban women than the R base.

 

[J-DONK]

Then why the Mitch McConnell statement that he thinks a national ban is possible? Is it because he wants to fire up his voters? I think it has more of an effect on the suburban women than the R base.

He did say he wouldn't end the filibuster to pass a national ban. So it's possible, but very improbable.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Article on what we’ve talked about here, that pro-lifers aren’t really pro-life they are pro-birth
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What about the children?


For decades, the abortion debate has been about politics and precedent, about religion and reproductive rights, about riling up voters and rewriting laws.

Rarely is it about what happens to children once they roam this earth if their mothers are forced to go through with an unplanned pregnancy. Where is the commitment by antiabortion warriors to take up the fight for the babies who will be born under duress?


Short answer? It hardly exists.

This is the false piety hidden in the Republican Party’s zeal to roll back a woman’s right to choose.

The sanctity of human life is all-important right up to the point when that flesh-and-bone child enters a world where programs designed to support women, the poor or households teetering toward economic ruin are being scaled back by a party that claims to be about family values.

Family, for the radicalized GOP, is too often an inelastic framework built around powerful men, subordinate women, and children who will learn how to hurl themselves forward in life, even if there’s no money, few educational opportunities, no job prospects in their future, no proverbial boots with magical straps to lift their fortunes toward the sun.

The pro-life warriors — including legislators who have been rolling back abortion rights at the state level — are silent when it comes to fighting for even the simple principle of enhanced child support enforcement so the men who father these children can provide for the life they create.

Let’s not forget that women who seek abortions are disproportionately poor or economically insecure. A 2014 study found that 3 in 4 women who terminate their pregnancies are low-income and almost 50 percent of those women live below the poverty level. Fifty-five percent are unmarried or do not live with the father.

Diana Greene Foster, a professor at the University of California at San Francisco in the Department of Obstetrics, Gynecology and Reproductive Sciences, knows what a world without abortion looks like.

She spent 10 years tracking thousands of women and reports that women who were denied abortions because of rules around gestation limits were more likely to be single, without steady work, without a partner and without family support five years later.

Those women also reported feeling trapped and less emotionally bonded to their new babies compared with women who had abortions and then had subsequent children later in life.


“It is by no means a given that a woman who did not want to have a baby cannot forge a loving and healthy relationship with that child, even if it doesn’t happen right away,” Greene Foster writes in her book “The Turnaway Study.” “But the finding does underscore the adverse circumstances for the child when a woman continues a pregnancy against her will.”


A further irony is that many of the states that have enacted the most restrictive bans on abortion also spend the least money to provide health and economic benefits for expecting mothers and children once they’re born.


The numbers don’t lie when you look at state rankings on maternal morbidity, infant mortality, premature birth, child poverty, birth weight, access to health care, day care, food stamps and housing.

Supreme Court Justice Samuel A. Alito Jr.’s draft opinion is about a case that comes from Mississippi — a state that ranks dead last in preterm births, neonatal mortality and overall child well-being………

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/05/03/children-women-roe-leak/

 

[Optimus Prime]

For what it's worth

I do wonder what the media (read: Fox News) coverage and GOP reaction will be if this is the case
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A clerk for a conservative justice is the “leading theory” amid intense speculation about who released a draft opinion authored by Justice Samuel Alito showing the court is set to overturn Roe v. Wade, according to legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg of NPR.

Totenberg said on ABC’s “This Week” that the prevailing theory is that a conservative clerk released the decision in an attempt to lock in the five justices who voted to support overturning Roe as Chief Justice John Roberts reportedly attempts to pull his colleagues toward a more moderate position.

“That has never, ever occurred before,” Totenberg said of the leak. “That could only, in all likelihood, have come from a justice — that I think is less likely — or perhaps one of the clerks.”

“The only one that makes sense is it came from somebody who was afraid that this majority might not hold,” she added.............

MSN

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I don't buy into that because it presupposes the Justices can be intimidated/persuaded by public opinion. They have life tenure short of the practical impossibility of impeachment and removal.

 

[Saintamaniac]

When it's party over country, we've lost our way.

When it's party over country, we've lost our country, not just our way. Republicans are taking a flame thrower to the constitution and they are doing it with one hand on flame thrower and the other hand on the bible.

 

[wardorican]

So, I did a little more reading, and I think it is important to point out that the majority opinion draft doesn't meant all justices who voted for Mississippi will agree to the full opinion.

So, while Alito is in favor of a full overhaul, others may not, but were fine with 15 weeks.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/07/supreme-court-abortion-roe-roberts-alito/

A lot of talk about Robert's probably dissenting in part and writing his own opinion. I think he would need 1 (or Maybe 2) conservatives to join him.

 

[bdb13]

For what it's worth

I do wonder what the media (read: Fox News) coverage and GOP reaction will be if this is the case
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A clerk for a conservative justice is the “leading theory” amid intense speculation about who released a draft opinion authored by Justice Samuel Alito showing the court is set to overturn Roe v. Wade, according to legal affairs correspondent Nina Totenberg of NPR.

Totenberg said on ABC’s “This Week” that the prevailing theory is that a conservative clerk released the decision in an attempt to lock in the five justices who voted to support overturning Roe as Chief Justice John Roberts reportedly attempts to pull his colleagues toward a more moderate position.

“That has never, ever occurred before,” Totenberg said of the leak. “That could only, in all likelihood, have come from a justice — that I think is less likely — or perhaps one of the clerks.”

“The only one that makes sense is it came from somebody who was afraid that this majority might not hold,” she added.............

MSN

“The only one that makes sense is it came from somebody who was afraid that this majority might not hold."

How is that the only thing that makes sense? Would clerks of justices who did not sign on not have access?

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

How is that the only thing that makes sense? Would clerks of justices who did not sign on not have access?

They would. Almost certainly a draft would be circulated by email to all Justices and all of their law clerks (and potentially the Justices' administrative assistants, too). That's a total of at least 54 people (counting the assistants) who would have had access to it.

 

[bdb13]

They would. Almost certainly a draft would be circulated by email to all Justices and all of their law clerks (and potentially the Justices' administrative assistants, too). That's a total of 54 people.

I figured.

Just trying to figure out if there's a reason she'd say that other than to simply push that narrative. I didn't see where she offered up anything else as evidence to show why this is the leading theory. If there's no evidence at this point then I'd argue it's at the least just as likely that it could have come from a clerk to a minority opinion Justice in an attempt to have the public sway their opinion.


Just so much bullshirt with seemingly everything man.

 

[coldseat]

I figured.

Just trying to figure out if there's a reason she'd say that other than to simply push that narrative. I didn't see where she offered up anything else as evidence to show why this is the leading theory. If there's no evidence at this point then I'd argue it's at the least just as likely that it could have come from a clerk to a minority opinion Justice in an attempt to have the public sway their opinion.


Just so much bullshirt with seemingly everything man.

The full transcript from her comments on ABC's "This Week" are below. It just seems to be speculation, just like everybody else is speculating. But given that it's Nina Totenberg and she's been covering the SC since before you or I were out of diapers, there's probably more of a basis behind her speculation. She certainly has more knowledge of the courts machinations than any of us or any politician given she know who the sources are.

Let's bring in NPR’s legal affairs correspondent, Nina Totenberg. And Nina, you’ve been covering the court since the early days of Roe. How much has this leak rattled the institution and the way it's viewed?

NINA TOTENBERG, NPR LEGAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Well, the way it's viewed it's an earthquake and I think within the court itself it's an earthquake. There has never been a leak like this, there have been minor, little springs that have emerged from the court, reports of a tentative vote or misbehavior by one justice back in the '50s, '60s, '70s.

There were those kinds of leaks but never an entire draft of a majority opinion, that has never, ever occurred before. And it can only, in all likelihood, have come from a justice, that I think is less likely, perhaps one of the clerks and the leading theory is a conservative clerk who was afraid that one of the conservatives might be persuaded by Chief Justice Roberts to join a much more moderate opinion, and then there's another theory that it was an outraged liberal clerk.

But I think the only one that makes sense is that it came from somebody who was afraid that this majority might not hold, that Chief Justice Roberts might persuade one of the conservatives to come over to him in a much more moderate opinion.

RADDATZ: And Nina, how likely is it that they'll discover who did leak this?

TOTENBERG: I think it's very unlikely. I mean, the marshal of the court is in charge of protecting the court, and that's another thing you’re going to see. The court will look like it is literally hunkered down. All the -- the security walls and all those kinds of things will go into place until the end of June or later. It’s going to look like it's under siege, the way in some ways -- this has emotionally put the court under siege in the same way that the Capitol across this very street was put under literal siege.

RADDATZ: Okay. Thanks so much, Nina. We’ll be watching all of this. Thanks to you, Terry, and thanks to Dan.

'This Week' Transcript 5-8-22: Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Gov. Asa Hutchinson, NARAL Pro-Choice America President Mini Timmaraju, Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser & Dr. Ashish Jha

<p><br />Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Gov. Asa Hutchinson & Dr. Ashish Jha were on "This Week" Sunday, May 8. This is a rush transcript and may be updated.</p>

abcnews.go.com

 

[bdb13]

The full transcript from her comments on ABC's "This Week" are below. It just seems to be speculation, just like everybody else is speculating. But given that it's Nina Totenberg and she's been covering the SC since before you or I were out of diapers, there's probably more of a basis behind her speculation. She certainly has more knowledge of the courts machinations than any of us or any politician given she know who the sources are.

'This Week' Transcript 5-8-22: Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Gov. Asa Hutchinson, NARAL Pro-Choice America President Mini Timmaraju, Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser & Dr. Ashish Jha

<p><br />Sen. Amy Klobuchar, Gov. Asa Hutchinson & Dr. Ashish Jha were on "This Week" Sunday, May 8. This is a rush transcript and may be updated.</p>

abcnews.go.com

Yeah, unless she knows something and she's just not saying it I just disagree with the notion that the only thing that really logically "makes sense" is that it would have come from a clerk for one of the majority Justices. I get her logic but it's not the only thing that makes sense in my mind at all.

 

[Goatman saint]

As someone with a 23 year old daughter and a 21 year old girl that I consider a daughter, my level of absolute disgust with this country now is leaving me without words. Not only with abortion, but when you hear of how a Republican running for senate wants to ban condoms, the Louisiana bill that can effectively get rid of IUD, morning after pills and such, along with other states, some of which are going on about not letting women travel who are early pregnant because they may be flying somewhere to get an abortion is seriously making me disgusted at this country. I’ll leave it at that because if I would continue I’d certainly use language that would get me banned

 

[Saintamaniac]

As someone with a 23 year old daughter and a 21 year old girl that I consider a daughter, my level of absolute disgust with this country now is leaving me without words. Not only with abortion, but when you hear of how a Republican running for senate wants to ban condoms, the Louisiana bill that can effectively get rid of IUD, morning after pills and such, along with other states, some of which are going on about not letting women travel who are early pregnant because they may be flying somewhere to get an abortion is seriously making me disgusted at this country. I’ll leave it at that because if I would continue I’d certainly use language that would get me banned

You are not alone. I only hope that this backfires in spectacular fashion much like the Satanic Temple using laws that these so-call "Christians" pass forcing their beliefs on everyone else. However, if a Republican teenager got pregnant, their parents would do what Republicans do and just keep it hush as they travel to a state that allows abortions and then turn around to the first mic put in their face and proclaim how much they are in favor of banning abortions.

FYI, I'm Christian....raised catholic and now catholic-light (Episcopal). Unlike other so-called "Christians", I believe that a woman's body is her body, I don't discriminate, I believe in helping the less fortunate and I don't try to force everyone to follow the beliefs of my religion.

 

[Optimus Prime]

You are not alone. I only hope that this backfires in spectacular proportions. However, if a Republican teenager got pregnant, their parents would do what Republicans do and just keep it hush as they travel to a state that allows abortions and then turn around to the first mic put in their face and proclaim how much they are in favor of banning abortions.

I hope so

But My cynical side thinks that nothing the GOP does backfires spectacularly. They are doubling down on everything

22 and 24 will tell the tale

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

As someone with a 23 year old daughter and a 21 year old girl that I consider a daughter, my level of absolute disgust with this country now is leaving me without words. Not only with abortion, but when you hear of how a Republican running for senate wants to ban condoms, the Louisiana bill that can effectively get rid of IUD, morning after pills and such, along with other states, some of which are going on about not letting women travel who are early pregnant because they may be flying somewhere to get an abortion is seriously making me disgusted at this country. I’ll leave it at that because if I would continue I’d certainly use language that would get me banned

Welcome to the Western Caliphate. For people who supposedly hate Sharia Law, the GOP certainly gravitates to their own equivalent to it.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

I hope so

But My cynical side thinks that nothing the GOP does backfires spectacularly. They are doubling down on everything

22 and 24 will tell the tale

I do not expect this to stop anytime soon. Many socially progressive viewpoints were advanced in the 90's and early 2000's; however the left pushed a bit too much after that and added fuel to propagandists like Limbaugh, Carlson and Hannity that paved the way for more propagandists like Shapiro. Eventually what they were selling was bought by independents. The reversal of Roe is only the first tip of the far right's hand. It's going to take more for independents to wake up and start reevaluating their positions.