Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (4 Viewers)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

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nothing to see here

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Virginia is decidedly purple. And they're clearly pro-choice. I think Biden will win this state fairly easily as long as the Democrats don't get stupid, which I guess is possible, lol.

Virginia honestly could've had an entirely Democratic government had Democrats not shirt the bed in nominating Terry McAuliffe. He was the absolute worse choice and his campaign was ruined from the jump especially after not adjusting his school statement.

 

[DaveXA]

Virginia honestly could've had an entirely Democratic government had Democrats not shirt the bed in nominating Terry McAuliffe. He was the absolute worse choice and his campaign was ruined from the jump especially after not adjusting his school statement.

Definitely. Unforced error and there were better options.

 

[Optimus Prime]

this is gonna scare Republicans come election 2024. this will be the first presidential election where you won't hear Rs pushing anti abortion stuff, they'll mostly be mum.. they'll only talk about "dems wanting late term ones" and stuff like that

And democrats (and media) should not let them be mum on it

 

[Optimus Prime]

Lol

I'm sure it's not what Vivek meant but the idea isn't wholly crazy

From a few years ago

 

[J-DONK]

I'm sure it's not what Vivek meant but the idea isn't wholly crazy

Pretty sure it's a tongue, and cheek joke about getting dudes to wear condoms.

 

[MT15]

I'm sure it's not what Vivek meant but the idea isn't wholly crazy

Yes I posted this thread some time ago. I don’t think he really cares one bit about men being more responsible. He only cares about punishing women for having abortions like all Rs do. If he really cared, you don’t have to ban abortion to get men to be more responsible, yet he ties the two together.

 

[Optimus Prime]

More than a year after the US supreme court overturned Roe v Wade, handing states the power to decide if and how to ban abortion, voters have again overwhelmingly rejected attempts to curtail access to the procedure.

A string of successes for abortion rights groups on Tuesday are raising hopes among Democrats that, despite recent dismal polls, the issue will lift their odds in 2024.

In Ohio, the only state to holdan abortion-related ballot referendum in 2023, more than 56% of voters agreed to enshrine the right to the procedure into the state constitution. In Virginia, Democrats won back full control of the state legislature after Republicans campaigned on the promise of a “sensible limit” that would ban most abortions past 15 weeks of pregnancy. In Kentucky, the incumbent Democratic governor, Andy Beshear, bested his anti-abortion Republican opponent. And in Pennsylvania, in a race dominated by talk of abortion, Democrats won a seat on the state supreme court.

On Tuesday evening in downtown Columbus, Ohio, abortion rights advocates crowded into a hotel ballroom to watch as results streamed in. Once the vote was called in their favor, the conversation in the room immediately turned to the topic on everyone’s minds: what does the victory mean for next year?

In 2024, abortion-related referendums may be on the ballot in roughly a dozen states, including in critical swing states like Nevada, Florida, Pennsylvania, Arizona and Iowa. Democrats will almost certainly lean on the issue to buoy their party in races for Congress and the White House. And Tuesday’s results in Ohio raise hopes that they might be able to pluck voters from the other side. While Joe Biden lost Ohio in 2020, garnering only about 45% of the vote, Issue 1, the proposal to add abortion rights into the state constitution, won with an estimated 56% of the vote on Tuesday. That sweep indicates that Republican voters are abandoning their party on this issue.

“Abortion is a winning issue, including in states that are considered red,” said Kimberly Inez McGuire, executive director of Urge: Unite for Reproductive & Gender Equity. “Young people, black voters, rural voters – voters all across the state came out and we saw support in every single corner of the state. The lesson for other states is: don’t take anyone for granted. Don’t assume they’re gonna support you, but also don’t assume that they’re gonna oppose.”………

‘Abortion is a winning issue’: rights victories in 2023 US elections raise hopes for 2024

Democrats will almost certainly use the issue to buoy their party in races, while Republican voters may be abandoning their party over it

www.theguardian.com

 

[Lapaz]

Once voters enshrine abortion into their constitutions, only then will Republicans be safe. Just passing laws to protect abortion rights is insufficient, because an anti-abortion legislature can overturn that law too easily. Alternatively, Republicans need the Supreme Court to reinstate abortion rights. That can only happen with a Democratic Senate and president.

 

[MT15]

Ohio GOP has thought about the results and decided, Nah, we won’t listen to the voters, we’re going to just ignore the Amendment to the state Constitution. Ohio is a couple years ahead of some of the rest of the country down the fascist path….

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

Breakdown of the votes on Issue 1 in Ohio:

 

[MT15]

Good grief, could men just quit trying to tell women what they think and feel for one minute?

 

[Optimus Prime]

Love the Citizen Kane quote
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…….In abortion, the Democrats have an issue to be wielded. It unites the party. By the numbers, 83% of Ohio’s Black voters, more three-quarters of its youngest voters, 73% of the state’s Latinos and five-of-eight of its college graduates identified as pro-choice, according to exit polls.

On the other hand, little more than one in six Republicans supported the measure. With Trump having repeatedly bragged about his supreme court picks, the Republican party owns the issue.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reports that nearly 65% of the 72.2 million women aged 15–49 in the US currently use contraception. That figure appears to have left little to no mark on the Republicans’ collective psyche.

In 2022, 195 House Republicans voted against the Right to Contraception Act, including Mike Johnson, the current speaker; Kevin McCarthy, his predecessor; Steve Scalise, the present majority leader: and Elise Stefanik, the chair of the conference. Conveniently, Johnson no longer recalls how he voted. As a lawyer for the rightwing Alliance Defending Freedom, he argued that hormonal birth control was tantamount to abortion and should be banned.

Also last year, Matt DePerno, Michigan’s failed Republican attorney general, openly mused about restricting accessibility to contraception. At a Republican debate, he questioned the validity of Griswold, the pertinent 1965 supreme court ruling.

For good measure, DePerno also spearheaded efforts to undo Biden’s 150,000-vote win in Michigan. These days, he faces four felony election interference charges. Pro-tip: everything Trump touches comes to pain.

As Republicans lick their wounds, they ought to ponder what Ray Collins said to Orson Welles in Citizen Kane: “If it was anybody else, I’d say what’s going to happen to you would be a lesson to you. Only you’re going to need more than one lesson. And you’re going to get more than one lesson.”……

Republicans beware: hostility to abortion stands to haunt Trump’s party in 2024 | Lloyd Green

The party-induced demise of Roe may keep the Republicans from returning to power for another four years

www.theguardian.com

 

[Lapaz]

According to this site, only 4 countries have rolled back abortion rights: U.S., Nicaragua, Poland, and El Salvador. This puts us in company with 3rd world countries.

The World's Abortion Laws - Center for Reproductive Rights

Have a question? Get in touch directly Take it with you Download attachment: The World's Abortion Laws Mission The Center for Reproductive Rights uses the

reproductiverights.org

I think Republicans would love to instituted the abortion rights laws of Venezuela, Iran, Afghanistan, and Libya that only allow abortion to save a woman's life, but many would go as far as Iraq and Egypt that outlaw abortion completely. The entire Western world, except for the U.S., has broad abortion rights. Surprisingly, China also does, but I think that's largely because they are so overpopulated, not because they care about women's rights. It surprises me that Russia and the rest of the old Soviet block, except Poland, also respects abortion rights. Republicans side with with religious extremists throughout the world.

 

[MT15]

This is exactly right - I don’t think any women who want the right to health care will trust Haley. She will never protect women from bans on reproductive health care.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Could this lead to a rift in the evangelical community?

If so it couldn’t happen to a more deserving bunch





Or a good night for personal choice

 

[MT15]

When will they all quit lying about “abortion up until nine months”? Nobody with half a brain believes that. It’s such a stupid, deliberate lie.