Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (1 Viewer)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[Taurus]

The best part?

The very most awesomest thing?
Under Republican zygotes-are-people surveillance a woman could have months of staring Death in the face, knowing all the while a simple cure is right there.
I hope all 110,000 go out shooting.

 

[el caliente]

Exactly, be specific, what do you mean by that?

You and others are upset with Cruz giving his opinion on this “who done it”. I don’t blame people who see Cruz giving his opinion as foolish, irresponsible, and that it shows his bias. This week we have heard from other elected officials who have also played this same organ music, for the same dancing monkeys. These are politicians after all, throwing out accusations on various topics (with little to go off of) to rile up their base is what they do.

However, on this very same thread you and others have made accusations as to who is responsible for leaking this information. From across the political spectrum (Left, right, middle of the road), folks have made accusations as to who leaked this. Yet because Cruz threw out his opinion it shows his “lack of good sense and humanity.” Come on bruh, stop playing.

Don’t say “Cruz throwing out such a claim is different than a guy on a message board.” You aren’t giving yourself enough credit (we all hold you in higher regard than we do Ted). Just say, “I can’t believe he is doing what I did on this thread (no fewer than 3 times)” and save your pearl clutching for when it’s really called for.

We are lucky to have posters like you, and Superchuck500 here to keep things in perspective.

That's very interesting - good find, thanks.

It continues to be the case that anyone making confident claims about who it was or wasn't is doing so based on nothing other than speculation through the lens of their own bias.

 

[wardorican]

Apparently horse medication is okay now

According to whom? Even Motherboard, isn't exactly all in. And I honestly don't care what Vice says.

"Motherboard cannot speak to the safety of making your own pills, and the Four Thieves Vinegar Collective has been criticized by some in the pharmaceutical and medical establishment who think that making DIY medicine isn't safe under any circumstances."

 

[DaveXA]

You and others are upset with Cruz giving his opinion on this “who done it”. I don’t blame people who see Cruz giving his opinion as foolish, irresponsible, and that it shows his bias. This week we have heard from other elected officials who have also played this same organ music, for the same dancing monkeys. These are politicians after all, throwing out accusations on various topics (with little to go off of) to rile up their base is what they do.

However, on this very same thread you and others have made accusations as to who is responsible for leaking this information. From across the political spectrum (Left, right, middle of the road), folks have made accusations as to who leaked this. Yet because Cruz threw out his opinion it shows his “lack of good sense and humanity.” Come on bruh, stop playing.

Don’t say “Cruz throwing out such a claim is different than a guy on a message board.” You aren’t giving yourself enough credit (we all hold you in higher regard than we do Ted). Just say, “I can’t believe he is doing what I did on this thread (no fewer than 3 times)” and save your pearl clutching for when it’s really called for.

We are lucky to have posters like you, and Superchuck500 here to keep things in perspective.

Pretty much my sentiments as well. Hold ourselves to the same standards that we hold other people. What's good for the goose and all that. I can't stand Cruz. But I hate hypocrisy also. Is there a difference between the opinions of Joe Blow and a sitting Senator? Depending on the topic, no, not really. Should Cruz say what he said? Eh, I wouldn't if I were a senator. But Cruz is entitled to his opinion. It's a kooky opinion, but it's not going to change much.

I think in this case people are free to speculate. We all recognize it's speculation and we can take it or leave it.

I think whoever leaked it should have to pay a high price for it because it's a serious breach of protocol. It's not theirs to release. Now if a justice released it, I don't know, but I wouldn't trust him or her if they did that.

Ultimately, I don't think we'll ever know.

 

[wardorican]

It’s like they’re trying to outdo each other to see who can punish women the most:

Yeah, this also outlaws some forms of contraception even.

Also, IVF would also not be allowed. So, people who are unable to have kids, but want one, now couldn't.

 

[wardorican]

I like this thought that I am so cavalier, and perhaps in this brave new world I am cavalier, but I see myself as just a normal guy. Do unto others as you would want done unto you, and all that.

I live in Texas, so I am well aware of Ted, but Greg is actually the one that gives me the heebie-jeebies.

You literally said, "I don't know, I don't care". Isn't that a cavalier attitude?

 

[wardorican]

Thou doth protest too much.

I thought you didn't care.

 

[Taurus]

Pretty much my sentiments as well. Hold ourselves to the same standards that we hold other people. What's good for the goose and all that. I can't stand Cruz. But I hate hypocrisy also. Is there a difference between the opinions of Joe Blow and a sitting Senator? Depending on the topic, no, not really. Should Cruz say what he said? Eh, I wouldn't if I were a senator. But Cruz is entitled to his opinion. It's a kooky opinion, but it's not going to change much.

I think in this case people are free to speculate. We all recognize it's speculation and we can take it or leave it.

I think whoever leaked it should have to pay a high price for it because it's a serious breach of protocol. It's not theirs to release. Now if a justice released it, I don't know, but I wouldn't trust him or her if they did that.

Ultimately, I don't think we'll ever know.

I disagree. A sitting Senator has a vastly larger audience than you or I. Among whom are a certain percentage of crazies who might take violent action. He's got to know that. Which means he doesn't care.

 

[el caliente]

You literally said, "I don't know, I don't care". Isn't that a cavalier attitude?

Is that a cavalier attitude? I dont feel like I am putting myself above others, or being too bold with my opinion. But that’s just me.

I thought you didn't care.

I don’t care that Ted shared his opinion. I do care when a poster (who’s opinions I value) takes offense of Ted giving his opinion when he/she/they are doing the same thing.

Two different things. One thing I care about (holding ourselves to the same standards we hold elected officials to), one thing I don’t (Cruz’s opinion). Two different things.

 

[MT15]

yeah, I understand that everyone has the right to speculate. The really huge difference here is that a sitting Senator blasted his suspicion about one specific Justice and/or her staff, putting a huge target on her and her staff. Nobody is going to target anyone based on what I or chuck or any number of other people say on this message board. Cruz has a lot of privileges that he accrues from his position, but he fails to uphold some of the responsibilities that come with those privileges. It’s reckless for him to push blame on a single Justice in his position. We used to all agree that our elected representatives have a responsibility not to engage in idle speculation like this. For one thing, aside from the idea that crazy folks will threaten the people he has targeted, it might damage the chances of the investigation.

 

[el caliente]

I disagree. A sitting Senator has a vastly larger audience than you or I. Among whom are a certain percentage of crazies who might take violent action. He's got to know that. Which means he doesn't care.

So it’s okay for others to spout off crack pot accusations/opinions, but not elected officials? As what Dave mentioned, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

I still don’t understand why people share the opinions of people they don’t care about. Are we going around offering people crap sandwiches? So why are we going around offering up crap opinions?

 

[Incumbent]

So it’s okay for others to spout off crack pot accusations/opinions, but not elected officials?

What a peculiar take.

The concept of a person's status or position changing parameters or raising expectations, as it might relate to conduct or in addressing an issue, is nothing new. What somebody says here to an audience of very few carries no meaningful weight outside of this website. There might be other reasons to find the commentary objectionable, but not for the same reasons as a sitting U.S. senator idly speculating about suspects and motives to the point of singling out a justice and her staff, regarding a controversial action related to a polarizing topic.

For what it's worth, I haven't shared an opinion about who I think leaked the document or motives to do so. I have some thoughts about it, but nothing I feel strongly enough to share.

However, expressing our opinions about people, actions, or statements we disagree with is central to the purpose of this board. You do it, and so it doesn't make sense that you should now raise such a poorly framed objection over this matter.

 

[DaveXA]

I disagree. A sitting Senator has a vastly larger audience than you or I. Among whom are a certain percentage of crazies who might take violent action. He's got to know that. Which means he doesn't care.

Sure, it's why I wouldn't do it if I were a sitting Senator. Not to excuse him, because criticism of him in this case is warranted. But I feel like he has always been a loud mouthed blabbering idiot and this is just him doing what's par for the course for him. I don't buy that his speculation is harmless, but I also think that speculation is something a lot of people, politicians included, have a narrative on. So it's not really unique to him. SCOTUS is already on high already because of the draft and barricades have already been erected around the building. Sad we've come to this point, but we'll have to make do.

 

[DaveXA]

yeah, I understand that everyone has the right to speculate. The really huge difference here is that a sitting Senator blasted his suspicion about one specific Justice and/or her staff, putting a huge target on her and her staff. Nobody is going to target anyone based on what I or chuck or any number of other people say on this message board. Cruz has a lot of privileges that he accrues from his position, but he fails to uphold some of the responsibilities that come with those privileges. It’s reckless for him to push blame on a single Justice in his position. We used to all agree that our elected representatives have a responsibility not to engage in idle speculation like this. For one thing, aside from the idea that crazy folks will threaten the people he has targeted, it might damage the chances of the investigation.

I mean, I get it, but considering all of the commentary coming out about the topic, I just find it hard to put much stock into anything Cruz says. He may have a platform that we don't, but he's gonna say what he says regardless. And others as well. His constituents refuse to hold him accountable, so it is what it is.

Fwiw, I don't think his comments are going to damage the chances of the investigation. I'd be very surprised if whoever was the leaker is revealed. I am concerned about security for all of the justices though. I don't envy the position they're in.

 

[SystemShock]

I don’t care that Ted shared his opinion.

Yet, it was not Cruz' "opinion". It was a calculated statement to rile up the base and assign blame to political enemies without proof.

There's also the matter of Cruz not being a Joe Schmo, but a U.S. Senator who can start official investigations into people.

 

[bdb13]

So it’s okay for others to spout off crack pot accusations/opinions, but not elected officials?

I don't think anyone should be spouting off crackpot theories, though everyone maintains the right to do so.. but it's obviously less OK for Ted Cruz to publicly do so than for me to do so on this forum.

 

[SamAndreas]

I saw this:



Moments before I saw this:



I think I saw the Republican Senator from Alaska standing behind Senator Gillibrand, who is the one talking in that video.

My read of body language of the Senator from Alaska is that she is behind Senator Gillibrand in more ways than just standing there behind Senator Gillibrand. I think maybe she will vote with Democrats on this one.

 

[DaveXA]

Yet, it was not Cruz' "opinion". It was a calculated statement to rile up the base and assign blame to political enemies without proof.

There's also the matter of Cruz not being a Joe Schmo, but a U.S. Senator who can start official investigations into people.

Sure...but Cruz has been doing it for a while now and yet nothing happens. It just gets to a point where we can't take him seriously.