Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (1 Viewer)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[superchuck500]

Hey, @superchuck500,

Wanted to see what your thoughts were vis-a-vis the conversation above right around 1 year later.

Same

 

[MT15]

Alito is the very definition of an extreme activist Justice.

 

[MT15]

This figures. Ohio is one of the worst states for the behavior of their GOP. Corrupt.

 

[Optimus Prime]

About three weeks after the US supreme court last year struck down the federal right to abortion, Greg Williams, a volunteer pilot for a group that provides free flights to people who need to travel for medical care, posted a Facebook message.

“If any women need to make an unexpected trip from the south to, say, Illinois or New Mexico or Virginia for reasons that are none of my business, I can provide safe, private air transport that would get you where you need to go and back the same day at a price that will work for you,” Williams wrote, on 28 June 2022.

Williams acknowledges the message mentioned an area which has largely outlawed abortion and three states which have acted to preserve access. The post did not explicitly mention abortion – because Williams’s day job was teaching Greek and Latin at a college for prospective Catholic priests near New Orleans.

The Benedictine-run St Joseph Seminary Collegehas a policy against publicly expressing beliefs contrary to the established teachings of the Catholic church, which stridently opposes abortion. Despite the fact that a majority of Americans believe abortion should be legal in most or all cases, according to recent polling, Williams wanted to comply with school policy. It didn’t matter. The school fired him a week later.

“Your Facebook post publicly and deliberately advocated a position contrary to the official teaching of the Catholic Church,” said the termination letter that St Joseph’s rector, Gregory Boquet, gave Williams on 5 July. “The decision is to terminate your employment … effective immediately.”

Williams, 40, has no real legal recourse to compel St Joseph to rehire him, according to lawyers he consulted and attorneys interviewed by the Guardian. Louisiana is an at-will employment state, which means employers can dismiss workers for any reason that is not blatantly unconstitutional.

Two New Orleans attorneys said it would be relatively viable to argue that Williams’s Facebook post should qualify as constitutionally protected political speech. But Megan Kiefer and Chris Williams both said the seminary could persuasively argue its constitutional right to religious freedom, expressed through its policy, trumped Greg Williams’s right to political speech.

Greg Williams said he was now speaking up about the end of his seven-year tenure at St Joseph to shine a light on the harsh reality of at-will employment.

He said he found the college hypocritical, because it is part of a church which spent decades trying to suppress information about child sexual abuse by its clerics. The archdiocese which includes St Joseph, and which serves about half a million Catholics, has identified more than 80 priests and deacons strongly suspected of abusing minors……..

Pilot who offered flights to women for medical care fired from seminary job

Greg Williams offered transportation for women seeking out-of-state care after the supreme court’s Dobbs decision last year

www.theguardian.com

 

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About three weeks after the US supreme court last year struck down the federal right to abortion, Greg Williams, a volunteer pilot for a group that provides free flights to people who need to travel for medical care, posted a Facebook message.

“If any women need to make an unexpected trip from the south to, say, Illinois or New Mexico or Virginia for reasons that are none of my business, I can provide safe, private air transport that would get you where you need to go and back the same day at a price that will work for you,” Williams wrote, on 28 June 2022.

Williams acknowledges the message mentioned an area which has largely outlawed abortion and three states which have acted to preserve access. The post did not explicitly mention abortion – because Williams’s day job was teaching Greek and Latin at a college for prospective Catholic priests near New Orleans.

The Benedictine-run St Joseph Seminary Collegehas a policy against publicly expressing beliefs contrary to the established teachings of the Catholic church, which stridently opposes abortion. Despite the fact that a majority of Americans believe abortion should be legal in most or all cases, according to recent polling, Williams wanted to comply with school policy. It didn’t matter. The school fired him a week later.

“Your Facebook post publicly and deliberately advocated a position contrary to the official teaching of the Catholic Church,” said the termination letter that St Joseph’s rector, Gregory Boquet, gave Williams on 5 July. “The decision is to terminate your employment … effective immediately.”

Williams, 40, has no real legal recourse to compel St Joseph to rehire him, according to lawyers he consulted and attorneys interviewed by the Guardian. Louisiana is an at-will employment state, which means employers can dismiss workers for any reason that is not blatantly unconstitutional.

Two New Orleans attorneys said it would be relatively viable to argue that Williams’s Facebook post should qualify as constitutionally protected political speech. But Megan Kiefer and Chris Williams both said the seminary could persuasively argue its constitutional right to religious freedom, expressed through its policy, trumped Greg Williams’s right to political speech.

Greg Williams said he was now speaking up about the end of his seven-year tenure at St Joseph to shine a light on the harsh reality of at-will employment.

He said he found the college hypocritical, because it is part of a church which spent decades trying to suppress information about child sexual abuse by its clerics. The archdiocese which includes St Joseph, and which serves about half a million Catholics, has identified more than 80 priests and deacons strongly suspected of abusing minors……..

Pilot who offered flights to women for medical care fired from seminary job

Greg Williams offered transportation for women seeking out-of-state care after the supreme court’s Dobbs decision last year

www.theguardian.com

probably the most significant reason why I think the Catholic church is the most corrupt/hypocritical organizations on the planet.....they aren't the only organized religion guilty of this but they are leading the charge.....

 

[MT15]

Lol

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

never thought about it like that, but sounds legit..

 

[MT15]

It is so obvious that the cruelty and humiliation is the point. Women who are in a totally vulnerable position are being punished by these extreme laws with zero regard for their humanity and their very lives.

 

[MT15]

This is why women are so damn angry:

 

[MT15]

This decision by the SC is a religious decision. It shows us that Christianity in the US has lost its way.



EDIT: a large portion of Christianity. Not all, just most of who we hear and see.

 

[SystemShock]

This decision by the SC is a religious decision. It shows us that Christianity in the US has lost its way.

On the contrary, it's on its way back home.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Anti-abortion bills fail in GOP-controlled Nebraska and South Carolina | CNN Politics

Measures that would have severely restricted abortion failed Thursday in Nebraska and South Carolina, which both have Republican-controlled legislatures, a reflection of the growing unease among Republicans over the political popularity of strict bans.

www.cnn.com

I don't think these strictly political moves to kill these bills will save republicans come 2024.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

I got a good idea too, Justice Alito...

Justice Alito says he has ‘pretty good idea’ who was behind leak of draft abortion opinion | CNN Politics

Justice Samuel Alito said that he has a “pretty good idea” who was responsible for the unprecedented disclosure of a draft opinion of a Supreme Court ruling last year, suggesting it was someone who opposed reversing the Roe v. Wade precedent that protected abortion rights nationwide.

www.cnn.com

Such an embarrassment.

 

[MT15]

I got a good idea too, Justice Alito...

Justice Alito says he has ‘pretty good idea’ who was behind leak of draft abortion opinion | CNN Politics

Justice Samuel Alito said that he has a “pretty good idea” who was responsible for the unprecedented disclosure of a draft opinion of a Supreme Court ruling last year, suggesting it was someone who opposed reversing the Roe v. Wade precedent that protected abortion rights nationwide.

www.cnn.com

Such an embarrassment.

He thinks we are idiots. There was no reason for someone opposed to the decision to leak it. Here’s why he (or possibly Thomas, though less likely) would leak it:

1. It exposes the preliminary vote and prevents John Roberts from persuading someone to join him in a more moderate decision. Roberts was trying to do just that, according to reports from that time. Alito would have been desperate to prevent it from happening.

2. It would hopefully dilute the response and the outrage and allow some time to pass for all of that to fade away. (idiotic stance, but believable in its dismissive thinking toward women)

3. Alito has a history of leaking decisions if we are to believe a pastor who witnessed him doing so and was willing to write it down and go public with his story.

 

[DaveXA]

He thinks we are idiots. There was no reason for someone opposed to the decision to leak it. Here’s why he (or possibly Thomas, though less likely) would leak it:

1. It exposes the preliminary vote and prevents John Roberts from persuading someone to join him in a more moderate decision. Roberts was trying to do just that, according to reports from that time. Alito would have been desperate to prevent it from happening.

2. It would hopefully dilute the response and the outrage and allow some time to pass for all of that to fade away. (idiotic stance, but believable in its dismissive thinking toward women)

3. Alito has a history of leaking decisions if we are to believe a pastor who witnessed him doing so and was willing to write it down and go public with his story.

Link for #3? I haven't heard/read this before. Also, take it from a former minister, pastors do lie too. Maybe he didn't here, but I wouldn't just take his word for it.

Fwiw, 1 makes the most sense.

 

[MT15]

Link for #3? I haven't heard/read this before. Also, take it from a former minister, pastors do lie too. Maybe he didn't here, but I wouldn't just take his word for it.

Fwiw, 1 makes the most sense.

Dave it was years ago and the Hobby Lobby decision. It came out shortly after the Dobbs leak. I think it was posted in this thread, but it’s too long to look through it. I can try Google.

 

[MT15]

NY Times article. Should be free:

Former Anti-Abortion Leader Alleges Another Supreme Court Breach (Published 2022)

Years before the leaked draft opinion overturning Roe v. Wade, a landmark contraception ruling was disclosed, according to a minister who led a secretive effort to influence justices.

www.nytimes.com

 

[DaveXA]

NY Times article. Should be free:

Former Anti-Abortion Leader Alleges Another Supreme Court Breach (Published 2022)

Years before the leaked draft opinion overturning Roe v. Wade, a landmark contraception ruling was disclosed, according to a minister who led a secretive effort to influence justices.

www.nytimes.com

Thanks. I read the article. I just feel like that guy isn't credible and is using his connections to make it look like he's in the know. Stuff like that isn't unusual in DC. People love to exaggerate and make claims that they have inside info. This feels like one of those situations where he used his connections to claim he knew what the decision would be.

I could be wrong tho. But the article does state that they're relying largely on his statements and some emails that they admit still leaves holes in the story.

I'm highly skeptical on this one. But I guess we all have to come to our own conclusions.

All that said, 1 is the most plausible imo. Much less sure of 2 and 3.