Supreme Court has voted to overturn abortion rights per draft opinion (Update: Dobbs opinion official) (3 Viewers)

[LovesMusic7360]

Not long ago Kari Lake proclaimed Arizona's abortion law was a great law and wanted it the law of the state.

Now that she has gotten her way, she is lobbying for it to be repealed.

As I have been saying since 2022, the overwhelming vast majority of women aren't going to vote for the man who proudly boasts that he got rid of Roe V. Wade. Nor are those women going to vote for a forced birther politician.

Turns out, republican belief in "pro life" was all just lies to get votes. Who is surprised? I sure am not.

How many forced birthers will do the same about face?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/ka ... r-BB1ltx3I.

Arizona Republican Senate candidate Kari Lake is actively lobbying state lawmakers to overturn a 160-year-old law she once supported that bans abortion in almost all cases, a source with knowledge of her efforts told CNN.

 

[brandon]

Be more specific please.

I'm pretty sure that's what he's asking you to do.

Are you suggesting that no one should ever be fired from their job, public or private sector, for using the N-word?

 

[Peace]

I'm pretty sure that's what he's asking you to do.

Are you suggesting that no one should ever be fired from their job, public or private sector, for using the N-word?

Yes, because that is how free speech works.

Now, if someone's using the N word while threatening violence, then that's a different issue.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Yes, because that is how free speech works.

Actually that's not how free speech works because it doesn't apply to the private sector. Here's a primer:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

It only applies to Congress by way of the First Amendment and the states through the Fourteenth Amendment.

Nor would you have blanket immunity from saying it in the public sector if it was in the course of your job (exceptional/bizarre contextual circumstances aside).

 

[brandon]

Yes, because that is how free speech works.

Now, if someone's using the N word while threatening violence, then that's a different issue.

That's absolutely not how free speech works.

The First Amendment protects you from government retaliation for your speech. You won't go to jail for using the n-word, for instance.

The First Amendment does not protect you from any non-governmental consequences for your speech. If your use of the n-word doesn't reflect the values of your business, they can and should fire you.

It's like arguing you could tell your boss to "fork off" every day of the week and think that's somehow not going to get you fired because you have the right to free speech.

 

[Peace]

That's absolutely not how free speech works.

The First Amendment protects you from government retaliation for your speech. You won't go to jail for using the n-word, for instance.

The First Amendment does not protect you from any non-governmental consequences for your speech. If your use of the n-word doesn't reflect the values of your business, they can and should fire you.

Then clearly you have no problem with the University of Idaho warning staff for giving abortion advice, which was my original point to the individual who questioned my response to that.

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Then clearly you have no problem with the University of Idaho warning staff for giving abortion advice, which was my original point to the individual who questioned my response to that.

Spoilers: The University of Idaho is a state government entity. Now... if it were Jesus Freak University then there would be no problem.

 

[brandon]

Then clearly you have no problem with the University of Idaho warning staff for giving abortion advice, which was my original point to the individual who questioned my response to that.

Except that the University of Idaho is a public institution, and therefore part of the state.

Edit: @SaulGoodmanEsq get out of my head.

 

[Peace]

Except that the University of Idaho is a public institution, and therefore part of the state.

Edit: @SaulGoodmanEsq get out of my head.

They can still set their own policies without violating free speech, otherwise Christians would be giving advice as well.

 

[brandon]

They can still set their own policies without violating free speech, otherwise Christians would be giving advice as well.

I'm just a bit confused. It seems like you want the freedom to say the n-word, but want to restrict the freedom of others to talk about pro-choice positions. Do I understand your position correctly?

 

[bdb13]

I'm just a bit confused. It seems like you want the freedom to say the n-word, but want to restrict the freedom of others to talk about pro-choice positions. Do I understand your position correctly?

Hypocritical conservative that doesn't actually know anything.. that's most of them at this point, right?

 

[Peace]

I'm just a bit confused. It seems like you want the freedom to say the n-word, but want to restrict the freedom of others to talk about pro-choice positions. Do I understand your position correctly?

Nope. I want consistency.

If university staff members should be able to advise others about abortion on campus, then university staff members should also be able to use the n word or talk about Christianity on campus.

Consistency is the key here, not some liberal agenda.

 

[coldseat]

Nope. I want consistency.

If university staff members should be able to advise others about abortion on campus, then university staff members should also be able to use the n word or talk about Christianity on campus.

How are those two things even remotely the same? This is a stupid comparison. The fact that this is your best argument says it all.

Consistency is the key here, not some liberal agenda.

There is no consistency here. Just more right wing BS.

 

[Peace]

How are those two things even remotely the same? This is a stupid comparison. The fact that this is your best argument says it all.

Talk about what constitutes free speech.

There is no consistency here. Just more right wing BS.

Sorry, but your opinions get nowhere with me.

 

[coldseat]

Talk about what constitutes free speech.

No. Speaking of the pros and cons of abortion is quintessential free speech. That is what we're supposed to do in a free society. Calling somebody the N-Word is just hate speech meant to injure or dehumanize another. You can make the argument that it's "free speech", but to me and the majority of other people in this society, it just hate speech and nothing more.

Sorry, but your opinions get nowhere with me.

Samesies!

 

[Peace]

No. Speaking of the pros and cons of abortion is quintessential free speech. That is what we're supposed to do in a free society. Calling somebody the N-Word is just hate speech mean to injure or dehumanize another. You can make the argument that it's "free speech", but to me and the majority of other people in this society, it just hate speech and nothing more.

Nope. Liberals don't have the right to dictate what's relevant and what's irrelevant. Idaho University says no to advising on slaughtering the unborn, and I say "Thank God for that.".

Take that nonsensical BS to Planned Parenthood where it belongs.

Samesies!

I haven't changed my mind.

 

[coldseat]

Nope. Liberals don't have the right to dictate what's relevant and what's irrelevant. Idaho University says no to advising on slaughtering the unborn, and I say "Thank God for that.".

Take that nonsensical BS to Planned Parenthood where it belongs.

I haven't changed my mind.

You really do want to live in an autocratic country where your right wing Christian/Republican zealots get to make all the rules. No thank you, I'll take my liberal democracy instead. Why don't you just move to Hungry or Russia and take your fellow right wingers? You all will be happy there.

 

[coldseat]

For you @Peace, from you Republicans representatives. I can feel the love .

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Voters! We are thrilled to see that so many of you are leaning R this fall! And we hear it’s because of … the economy? Wild!

To our knowledge, we haven’t been saying anything about the economy or offering any kind of exciting plan to fix it! As far as I can see, we’ve just been calling Joe Biden a socialist, fear-mongering about the existence of trans people and suggesting that people who want us to denounce antisemitism are Like “1984,” But Worse!

That’s why we appreciate your confidence so much! As you clearly have realized, when one thing is going very poorly, you have options! Try to fix it, or just make everything else worse, too! Vote Republican, and we guarantee to do our level best to distract you from the economy by impeaching everyone in government, putting Marjorie Taylor Greene in charge of more things, and, in our spare moments, urging the Supreme Court to eliminate any more rights or protections that might be lying around!

I have always been a big believer in the idea that if you have a stomach ulcer, you should immediately also break your arm. Suddenly, the stomach ulcer is just one of a large set of problems you are dealing with! Time you would have spent dwelling on it is now time you will have to spend figuring out how to open heavy doors and brush your teeth with a cast. Well, that is how we feel about the economy. Is it bad? Absolutely! Do we have solutions? Is more tax cuts for the wealthy a solution? Okay, how about holding the debt ceiling hostage while we make cuts to Medicare? Please do not tell us if it’s not a solution, because it’s all we brought!

Is … book bans? You have to think that if the supply of books goes down, the price of books goes up, and that’s probably good for bookmakers, right? I don’t understand how this works! Anyway, we are definitely going to ban books!

Is … getting rid of access to abortion going to help the economy? We have to think not, right? Forcing more people to give birth in a system where there is already a grievous lack of support for parents is probably going to make it worse, not better, right? But the point is, we’re excited to find out! And, as I’m sure you realized when you decided to vote for us, the time you’re going to spend watching in horror as we force people to bear their rapists’ babies and threaten the jobs of doctors who try to provide life-saving care in the event of pregnancy loss is time you won’t be staring at your wallet! If you get arrested for missing your period, then having your period, inflation certainly won’t be the first thing on your mind!

Has the economy gotten worse under Joe Biden? Yes. Will it get worse if you return a Republican majority to Congress this fall? Almost certainly also yes! But there will also be so many other things going on that you won’t have time to worry about it.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/10/21/vote-republican-economy-worse-satire/

 

[Peace]

You really do want to live in an autocratic country where your right wing Christian/Republican zealots get to make all the rules.

I want to live in a country that doesn't condone the slaughter of our unborn. The Left has gotten all too comfortable with it.

You were once in a womb too, you know.

No thank you, I'll take my liberal democracy instead. Why don't you just move to Hungry or Russia and take your fellow right wingers? You all will be happy there.

You mean you'll take nationwide Marxism instead. No thank you, I want to live in a free country.