Special Counsel January 6 conspiracy case against Trump in DC (Update: Trial set for March 4, 2024) (1 Viewer)

[superchuck500]

Trump and Eastman appear to be preparing to be indicted. It’s probably better to have a new, separate thread for this case.

 

[MT15]

In my defense, my list of tv/social lawyers are a bit short without twitter. Post.news is unfortunately relatively inactive w George Conway as the most active. Meidas has recently been more active. Ari Melbur occasionally along with his guests like Andrew Weismann, etc, usually ex doj types like is my other main source. Oh legal eagle. And of course whatever is posted here.

And I think she’s mis-characterizing objections from folks like myself. I advocated that he should be in custody IF he indeed tampered with witnesses, including intimidation or prejudicing. What I don’t care for is the thought process that we let him slide if he broke the law for expedience or convenience.

Consider this. He is being charged for various conspiracies, not free speech. If we are to let him slide with tampering as free speech or because of expediency, then ergo why not for these conspiracies. If he committed crimes, he should be held in front of the law. He has gotten away with way to much because he exploits these thinking.

I found her on Twitter, she is pretty active there. And she was talking about people who had directed those comments toward her, so I don’t think you are like that. She has a pretty moderate view, and tries to show people the practical matters she has to consider as a lawyer would. But, yeah, she kinda took the most extreme posts to argue against, and she admitted she was a bit frustrated, lol.

The middle of her blog post was her best argument, I thought. I can post that part if you need me to.

 

[UriUT]

There Is No First Amendment Right to Organize a Coup

Trump’s defenders have come up with a scorching-hot legal theory—but it’s one that’s easily extinguished.

newrepublic.com

Bravo on this line. 3*.

After all, perjury is speech. (That did not stop independent counsel Ken Starr from investigating Bill Clinton for it or the House for impeaching him over it.)

 

[UriUT]

I found her on Twitter, she is pretty active there. And she was talking about people who had directed those comments toward her, so I don’t think you are like that. She has a pretty moderate view, and tries to show people the practical matters she has to consider as a lawyer would. But, yeah, she kinda took the most extreme posts to argue against, and she admitted she was a bit frustrated, lol.

The middle of her blog post was her best argument, I thought. I can post that part if you need me to.

Yeah she brought the goods on the whether he broke his agreement. I can't argue with that.

 

[UriUT]

I found her on Twitter, she is pretty active there. And she was talking about people who had directed those comments toward her, so I don’t think you are like that. She has a pretty moderate view, and tries to show people the practical matters she has to consider as a lawyer would. But, yeah, she kinda took the most extreme posts to argue against, and she admitted she was a bit frustrated, lol.

The middle of her blog post was her best argument, I thought. I can post that part if you need me to.

Oh I can see links if it's part of the original tweet.

 

[MT15]

Oh, this doesn’t look good for Judge Cannon:

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

Gateway Pundit, he’s really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

 

[DaveXA]

Oh, this doesn’t look good for Judge Cannon:

Maybe premature, but I think she's gotta go.

 

[DaveXA]

Gateway Pundit, he’s really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

It's not even in the barrel. It's like a complete alternative universe where up is out and down is in and words mean nothing.

 

[MT15]

Oh, yeah, I forgot he actually tried to get DOJ to arrest Biden during the campaign

 

[FullMonte]

I never knew this facet of the scheme. Grassley stating on Jan. 5 that he and not Pence was expected to be presiding over the counting of Electoral votes suggests he knew about this part of the conspiracy and was on board with it. Same for Cruz pressing for a 10-day pause in the counting of the votes on Jan. 6. At a minimum these two guys need to be investigated for their part in this conspiracy.

Trump ally said Pence should set aside from electoral college role

An attorney with Trump's legal team devised a plan for Mike Pence to recuse himself from presiding over the certification of electoral college votes on January 6 last year as part of a plot to overturn the result.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Normally when I see a lawyer talk about doing something and in my mind it seems to obviously stupid and wrong, I attribute that to the nuance and intricacies of the law, and assume there is some technical thing that I'm not aware of. But, when it is Trump's lawyers, I usually proceed with the assumption that they are just obviously stupid and wrong.

So, according to the article, the idea was that Pence would recuse himself form the ceremony to count the electoral votes because "Congress cannot, by statute, impose duties on either the President or Vice President beyond those set out in the Constitution" and "the Vice President's duties are precisely set out in the Constitution, and Congress may not add to them."

I am making the assumption that the duties they claim congress imposed on the Vice President was presiding over the counting of the votes. BUT...that duty is expressly defined by the constitution, which says "The President of the Senate SHALL, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted." It not only assigns that as a duty to the Vice President, but it clearly (by the use of the word 'shall') makes that a requirement of the job.

 

[MT15]

Normally when I see a lawyer talk about doing something and in my mind it seems to obviously stupid and wrong, I attribute that to the nuance and intricacies of the law, and assume there is some technical thing that I'm not aware of. But, when it is Trump's lawyers, I usually proceed with the assumption that they are just obviously stupid and wrong.

So, according to the article, the idea was that Pence would recuse himself form the ceremony to count the electoral votes because "Congress cannot, by statute, impose duties on either the President or Vice President beyond those set out in the Constitution" and "the Vice President's duties are precisely set out in the Constitution, and Congress may not add to them."

I am making the assumption that the duties they claim congress imposed on the Vice President was presiding over the counting of the votes. BUT...that duty is expressly defined by the constitution, which says "The President of the Senate SHALL, in the Presence of the Senate and House of Representatives, open all the Certificates, and the Votes shall then be counted." It not only assigns that as a duty to the Vice President, but it clearly (by the use of the word 'shall') makes that a requirement of the job.

They mentioned that the VP had basically recused himself before. Humphrey evidently had whoever was Grassley’s equivalent at the time preside over his loss. I’m sure once they figured out that Pence wasn’t going along, they thought maybe they could get him to just step aside.

Pence probably knew about this plan as well, with this being the reason he refused to get into the limo when he was hiding out during the insurrection. He had reason to believe they wanted him out of the way so Grassley could step in.

 

[UriUT]

Oh, this doesn’t look good for Judge Cannon:

Oops….I missed this.

 

[DaveXA]

They mentioned that the VP had basically recused himself before. Humphrey evidently had whoever was Grassley’s equivalent at the time preside over his loss. I’m sure once they figured out that Pence wasn’t going along, they thought maybe they could get him to just step aside.

Pence probably knew about this plan as well, with this being the reason he refused to get into the limo when he was hiding out during the insurrection. He had reason to believe they wanted him out of the way so Grassley could step in.

As much as I can't stand Pence, I think he made a principled choice and understood the weight and magnitude of what was happening and probably realized he didn't want to be on the wrong side of history with Trump. He at least deserves some credit for not making the situation a hell of a lot worse. I can't imagine what happens if he gets in the limo and is disappeared.

Hell it wouldn't surprise me if Trump actually did want to off him somehow because Pence wouldn't do what he wanted him to do.

 

[FullMonte]

Pence probably knew about this plan as well, with this being the reason he refused to get into the limo when he was hiding out during the insurrection. He had reason to believe they wanted him out of the way so Grassley could step in.

I was wondering…did Jack Smiths team talk to any of Pences security from that day? If any of them said that there was a plan to take Pence somewhere else, that would be substantially important testimony.

 

[MT15]

 

[coldseat]

If the Fake News "get it" (it's perfet that he put that in quotes), does that mean that they're actually legitimate? Hmmmmm .....

That dudes capacity to self-own is limetless.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Special counsel Jack Smith’s team obtained a search warrant in January for records related to former President Donald Trump’s Twitter account, and a judge levied a $350,000 fine on the company for a delay in complying, according to court documents released Wednesday.

The details were included in a decision from the federal appeals court in Washington rejecting Twitter’s claim that it should not have been held in contempt or sanctioned.

X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, sent an automated reply to a request for comment, saying it would respond soon.

The filing says prosecutors got the search warrant directing Twitter to produce information on Trump’s account after a court “found probable cause to search the Twitter account for evidence of criminal offenses.”

The government also obtained a nondisclosure agreement prohibiting Twitter from disclosing the search warrant, the filing says…….

Special counsel got a search warrant for Twitter to turn over info on Trump's account, documents say

Special counsel Jack Smith’s team obtained a search warrant in January for records related to former President Donald Trump’s Twitter account, and a judge levied a $350,000 fine on the company for a delay in complying.

apnews.com