SHOULD Biden run for a 2nd term? (6 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Biden has lost support from many people who voted for him in the past.
He is getting up there in age.
Here are a couple of sites I'd like to share...
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Octogenarian Biden begins new year facing age-old question on 2024 race

In the coming months, Biden faces a simple question: will he seek a second term at the end of which he would be 86?

www.theguardian.com

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Biden 2024? Most Democrats say no thank you: AP-NORC poll

A majority of Democrats now think one term is plenty for President Joe Biden, despite his insistence that he plans to seek reelection in 2024. While Biden has trumpeted his legislative victories and ability to govern, the poll suggests relatively few U.S. adults give him high marks on either...

news.yahoo.com

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WHAT DO ANY OF YOU THINK?
IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEST SERVED BY HAVING PRESIDENT BIDEN RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM OR WOULD A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE BE BETTER?

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

guess I'll put this here

Rep. Rashida Tlaib urges Michigan Democrats to vote against Biden in the primary

The Michigan congresswoman urged voters to “vote uncommitted” while she stood outside an early voting site in a video posted to X on Saturday.

www.nbcnews.com

The video of Tlaib was posted to the X account of “Listen to Michigan,” a group urging voters to vote “uncommitted” in the primary.

Tlaib, who is Palestinian American, cited her dissatisfaction with the Biden administration's role in the war between Israel and Hamas as her reason for urging people to vote.

“It is also important to create a voting bloc, something that is a bullhorn, to say, ‘Enough is enough. We don't want a country that supports wars and bombs and destruction. We want to support life. We want to support life. We want to stand up for every single life killed in Gaza,’” Tlaib said.

She added, “This is the way you can raise our voices. Don't make us even more invisible. Right now, we feel completely neglected and just unseen by our government.”

What an incredibly smart idea!

To place the blame solely on Biden for the United States support of Israel is just lazy short sightedness!!! There hasn't been a change in this country's stance on Israel since it's creation and there hasn't been a President that would have taken the position that Tlaib demands from Biden.

 

[zztop]

What an incredibly smart idea!

To place the blame solely on Biden for the United States support of Israel is just lazy short sightedness!!! There hasn't been a change in this country's stance on Israel since it's creation and there hasn't been a President that would have taken the position that Tlaib demands from Biden.

There is nothing in that article, that I read, which said blame was put solely on him. Can you point to where you got that info from in the article? But also, staying silent is not a good choice, and what she is urging is make their voices heard. Ps. maintaining the status quo is not really a good reason to let things slide over there. I absolutely think there should be more done by him, at the very least stop supplying them with weapons.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I absolutely think there should be more done by him, at the very least stop supplying them with weapons.

Here's the thing though, even if Biden didn't want to send them weapons, what is stopping Congress from doing so anyway? This country, for many reasons, will not turn its back on Israel and that is something that not going to change because the overwhelming majority of its citizens will not abide.

I, for one, believe we should walk run away from the whole region! They hate each other and they want to destroy each other, I say we let them do their thing. When their land end up as a wasteland, they would only have themselves to blame.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

What an incredibly smart idea!

To place the blame solely on Biden for the United States support of Israel is just lazy short sightedness!!! There hasn't been a change in this country's stance on Israel since it's creation and there hasn't been a President that would have taken the position that Tlaib demands from Biden.

If we're talking the general election, I would agree with you. But this is the primary and she's speaking to her constituents who likely already feels the way she does. This goes back to what I mentioned before about the problem Biden might have over his stance on Israel and Gaza. There's a huge block of Palestinian-Americans in Michigan and you have to consider what's important to them right now - Donald Trump or their friends and family dying in the Gaza Strip? Biden's stubbornness to stay quiet could cost him Michigan.

 

[GrandAdmiral]

Here's the thing though, even if Biden didn't want to send them weapons, what is stopping Congress from doing so anyway?

If there's anything, it's 60 votes in the Senate. They're are already some who called for conditions to be tied to Israel.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

If we're talking the general election, I would agree with you. But this is the primary and she's speaking to her constituents who likely already feels the way she does. This goes back to what I mentioned before about the problem Biden might have over his stance on Israel and Gaza. There's a huge block of Palestinian-Americans in Michigan and you have to consider what's important to them right now - Donald Trump or their friends and family dying in the Gaza Strip? Biden's stubbornness to stay quiet could cost him Michigan.

IMO, Biden has tried to hold Israel's feet to the fire. Do they believe a different President would do more? If Tlaib was smart about it instead of being herself, she would at least acknowledge the fact that Biden has openly criticized Netanyahu's actions and urge him to do more. From day one, she let her feelings be known and hasn't budged. There's is only ONE way for her and she isn't helping her constituents by fanning the flames, she's hurting them.

 

[LA - L.A.]

There are no Ronald Reagans waiting in the wings.

George W. Bush and Donald J. Trump say hello. What did Reagan do that was any more special than what they did? Being a smoother talking spokesperson and salesman doesn't count. Reagan trained and worked for years on camera as a professional liar, so being a smoother talker is a low bar for him. He was an actor in case you didn't get the professional liar reference.

Reagan's "influence" over the Republican party pales in comparison to Trump's. W. Bush was a bigger boon to corporate and wealthy America than Reagan was and managed to erode civil liberties more than Reagan ever dreamed was possible.

So what specifically made Reagan so much more special than W. Bush or Trump? Be objectively specific, be very objectively specific. Anyone can say someone was special, even millions of people, but that doesn't make it an actual fact that the person was special.

Cult of personality conditioning leads people to mistakenly assume that the leaders of cults are "more special" than everyone else. That's false. Some of the "least special," least talented individuals have been leaders of groups of people. People rarely choose their leaders based on merits or wisdom. It's almost always an emotional choice, not a rational one.

 

[zztop]

Here's the thing though, even if Biden didn't want to send them weapons, what is stopping Congress from doing so anyway?

It might help public perception, if it went through congress. But who really knows.

I was also going to mention basically what GandAmidral did, theres a chance he loses Michigan because of this (can he really afford to?)

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

George W. Bush and Donald J. Trump say hello. What did Reagan do that was any more special than what they did? Being a smoother talking spokesperson and salesman doesn't count. Reagan trained and worked for years on camera as a professional liar, so being a smoother talker is a low bar for him. He was an actor in case you didn't get the professional liar reference.

Reagan's "influence" over the Republican party pales in comparison to Trump's. W. Bush was a bigger boon to corporate and wealthy America than Reagan was and managed to erode civil liberties more than Reagan ever dreamed was possible.

So what specifically made Reagan so much more special than W. Bush or Trump? Be objectively specific, be very objectively specific. Anyone can say someone was special, even millions of people, but that doesn't make it an actual fact that the person was special.

Cult of personality conditioning leads people to mistakenly assume that the leaders of cults are "more special" than everyone else. That's false. Some of the "least special," least talented individuals have been leaders of groups of people. People rarely choose their leaders based on merits or wisdom. It's almost always an emotional choice, not a rational one.

Ronald Reagan was a special person.
He was elected to a second term because many democratic registered voters liked him and gave him their vote also.
This is not something I'd say about Trump.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Ronald Reagan was a special person.

What was special about him...

He was elected to a second term because many democratic registered voters liked him and gave him their vote also.

...besides being popular and liked? Does just being popular and liked make a president special special?

This is not something I'd say about Trump.

Trump received more votes in 2020 than Reagan ever did. Wouldn't that make Trump more special than Reagan if going by the standard of how many votes and how many people liked a president?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

What was special about him...

...besides being popular and liked? Does just being popular and liked make a president special special?


Trump received more votes in 2020 than Reagan ever did. Wouldn't that make Trump more special than Reagan if going by the standard of how many votes and how many people liked a president?

I am exclusively meaning to focus on Ronald Reagan as a person. I am not debating the things you are pointing out.

 

[bdb13]

Trump received more votes in 2020 than Reagan ever did. Wouldn't that make Trump more special than Reagan if going by the standard of how many votes and how many people liked a president?

Reagan did win 49 of 50 states in 1984. Regardless of politics, it shows he had very broad appeal at that point in time. Which is pretty special/unique.

It's certainly something we'll never see happen again.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Coming out of post Watergate, Vietnam, recession etc. a lot of people credit Reagan for making Americans proud of being Americans again and to believe that the future will be brighter

That's not nothing

 

[LA - L.A.]

I am exclusively meaning to focus on Ronald Reagan as a person. I am not debating the things you are pointing out.

You referred to him getting the votes of Democrats.

What made Reagan any more "special" a person than anyone else outside of winning elections?

 

[LA - L.A.]

Reagan did win 49 of 50 states in 1984. Regardless of politics, it shows he had very broad appeal at that point in time. Which is pretty special/unique.

It's certainly something we'll never see happen again.

I've given credit to Reagan for being a talented spokesperson in front of the camera. That's why he was well liked and did well in elections, especially against Mondale/Geraldine Ferraro in 1984.

By the way, America not being anywhere near ready to consider a female vice president played a big part in Reagan winning 49 out of 50 states in 1984. Not all votes are "for" someone, a lot of votes are "against" someone.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Reagan did win 49 of 50 states in 1984. Regardless of politics, it shows he had very broad appeal at that point in time. Which is pretty special/unique.

It's certainly something we'll never see happen again.

Well said. Thank you for your post.

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

You referred to him getting the votes of Democrats.

What made Reagan any more "special" a person than anyone else outside of winning elections?

If you have to ask, then you'll not likely get it even if I take the time to express it.

 

[Optimus Prime]

A national co-chair for No Labels said Sunday the organization continues to pursue "several exceptional leaders" in the wake of Sen. Joe Manchin's decision not to run for president in 2024.

"We're talking with several exceptional leaders. We have our own internal process," Dr. Benjamin F. Chavis said on "The Weekend" on MSNBC.

No Labels is seeking to offer a centrist unity ticket for the 2024 presidential election. Manchin (D-W.Va.), who is retiring from the Senate, was considered a possible candidate but said Friday he would not be running. Another potential candidate, former Maryland Gov. Larry Hogan, has opted instead to run for an open Senate seat in his state.

While not naming anyone who might run, Chavis said No Labels was pushing forward.

"In the next couple of weeks or more," Chavis said, "we will probably make an announcement whether or not we will give the ballot access to a unity ticket. A unity ticket means a Republican and a Democrat. And we are talking to Republicans, Democrats and independents."

Rejecting co-host Michael Steele's arguments about the difficulty of No Labels winning the fall election, Chavis said No Labels has qualified for the November ballot in "16 states" and is pushing forward around the country to get on the ballot in all 50..............

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