SHOULD Biden run for a 2nd term? (2 Viewers)

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Biden has lost support from many people who voted for him in the past.
He is getting up there in age.
Here are a couple of sites I'd like to share...
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Octogenarian Biden begins new year facing age-old question on 2024 race

In the coming months, Biden faces a simple question: will he seek a second term at the end of which he would be 86?

www.theguardian.com

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Biden 2024? Most Democrats say no thank you: AP-NORC poll

A majority of Democrats now think one term is plenty for President Joe Biden, despite his insistence that he plans to seek reelection in 2024. While Biden has trumpeted his legislative victories and ability to govern, the poll suggests relatively few U.S. adults give him high marks on either...

news.yahoo.com

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WHAT DO ANY OF YOU THINK?
IS THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BEST SERVED BY HAVING PRESIDENT BIDEN RUN FOR ANOTHER TERM OR WOULD A DIFFERENT CANDIDATE BE BETTER?

 

[Dragon]

The best way to head that parade of mini-Trumps off is to soundly defeat Trump again this year at the polls. Neither of those two have the complete package to sway people like Trump, however. Trump has an ability to almost hypnotize people. They don’t.

And the white supremacist would never support any of them.

 

[Heathen]

The best way to head that parade of mini-Trumps off is to soundly defeat Trump again this year at the polls. Neither of those two have the complete package to sway people like Trump, however. Trump has an ability to almost hypnotize people. They don’t.

Maybe not DeSantis. But Ramaswamy? That guy's a snake. He's going to get more than a few people bitten after all this is said and done.

 

[Dragon]

I have no idea why Biden is running. The whole point of having the incumbent president run is the usual incumbent advantage. The polling is showing over, and over any Democrat vs Trump does better then Biden. It's like deja vu of 2016 all over again. Every establishment Democrat ignored that HRC was by far the worst candidate to run against Trump.

Stuff like this is what's going to happen if Trump wins which is nightmare fuel: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025

A lot of those polls have been paid for by the republican super pacs.. And you can basically just by selecting the group you ask and how you frame your question, get more or less precisely the answer you want to any poll. What better way to eliminate the opposition than trying to get the top candidate removed ?

 

[Dragon]

Ramaswamy is a Trump wanna-be

 

[MT15]

This is a good thoughtful thread about Biden running again. It’s pretty long, and I will finish it later as I have to go do something right now. Seems to be worth the read.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

I'm not trying to argue - but this could easily be false.

Who's to say that the GOP doesn't have 5 more Trumps after this one because they saw what seemed to work?

So obviously you don't elect them either. I'm not sure you realize the risk to this country.

 

[MT15]

Maybe not DeSantis. But Ramaswamy? That guy's a snake. He's going to get more than a few people bitten after all this is said and done.

He can never appeal to the MAGA crowd. He’s brown and not Christian.

 

[Heathen]

So obviously you don't elect them either. I'm not sure you realize the risk to this country.

So I " don't realize the risk to the country", yet I'm probably the only one here chastising the performance of the party that is in danger of losing to Trump once again. The GOP goes more right - the Democratic party shifts right to try to catch the right wingers who would normally never vote Blue but just can't stomach a Trump vote. So the whole party keeps the rightward shift. See how that works?

In other words, a major reason Trump won in the first place and has a great chance at winning now is related to the type of candidates the Democrats are putting up there for us all.

Surely you see that is a problem?

Biden has lost the young vote for this election cycle. I'm calling it now. Not every vote - but in large part. He's also going to lose a lot of minority votes, I believe.

Why should we not hold him accountable for that? I've heard six ways to Sunday that it's the voters fault, not the fault of the candidate, if the candidate loses.

It never makes any more sense.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

So I " don't realize the risk to the country", yet I'm probably the only one here chastising the performance of the party that is in danger of losing to Trump once again. The GOP goes more right - the Democratic party shifts right to try to catch the right wingers who would normally never vote Blue but just can't stomach a Trump vote. So the whole party keeps the rightward shift. See how that works?

No. The Democratic party is not moving to the right, it is the people that think as you that are moving to the far left! These are the same people that believe Biden, Obama and Clintonx2 failed to deliver when they all upheld the Democratic platform. You are blaming them for not being extremist!

In other words, a major reason Trump won in the first place and has a great chance at winning now is related to the type of candidates the Democrats are putting up there for us all.

Surely you see that is a problem?

The majority of Democratic voters disagree with you and the DNC recognizes that fact. The party's nominee for President for the past 50 years is clear evidence. No matter how many far left candidates run, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE have selected the moderate...EVERY TIME!

Biden has lost the young vote for this election cycle. I'm calling it now. Not every vote - but in large part. He's also going to lose a lot of minority votes.

Why should we not hold him accountable for that? I've heard six ways to Sunday that it's the voters fault, not the fault of the candidate, if the candidate loses.

It never makes any more sense.

And that is because the young voters have been manipulated to believe that governing can only be accomplished without including all Americans. Of the two major Parties in our government, the Republican Party has already caved to the extremist of their Party, leaving the Democratic Party the sole custodian of our democracy.

It is up to the adults in the room to convince these young voters that change that they want can only happen when the ALL OF US share that same felt need for change and that ain't happening as long as republican voters are voting for fringe candidates and holding fringe beliefs. This continued march to the far-left will only entrench the far-right, the Democratic Party must maintain their position if we're to save this Democracy.

 

[Dragon]

So I " don't realize the risk to the country", yet I'm probably the only one here chastising the performance of the party that is in danger of losing to Trump once again. The GOP goes more right - the Democratic party shifts right to try to catch the right wingers who would normally never vote Blue but just can't stomach a Trump vote. So the whole party keeps the rightward shift. See how that works?

In other words, a major reason Trump won in the first place and has a great chance at winning now is related to the type of candidates the Democrats are putting up there for us all.

Surely you see that is a problem?

Biden has lost the young vote for this election cycle. I'm calling it now. Not every vote - but in large part. He's also going to lose a lot of minority votes, I believe.

Why should we not hold him accountable for that? I've heard six ways to Sunday that it's the voters fault, not the fault of the candidate, if the candidate loses.

It never makes any more sense.

All polls says that Biden has not lost the young votes on the contrary. So what if Biden hasnt done all the things he promissed. Are you even aware of the fact that he never had an absolute majority? He had 2 spoilers in the senate who used their position to force certain things off his bills - Environmental solutions among others. What Biden DID get done despite Siena and Manchins obstruction and a completely dysfunctional house is absolutely amazing. But Biden is not king. He can't rule by decree. Compromises must be made in some situations. How to solve that ? Get him a democratic majority house AND senate. Instead of blaming him for those things that wasn't done, work to give him a majority which CAN get it done. He cant do this alone. Everyone needs to help by voting blue up and down ballot.

 

[J-DONK]

A lot of those polls have been paid for by the republican super pacs.. And you can basically just by selecting the group you ask and how you frame your question, get more or less precisely the answer you want to any poll. What better way to eliminate the opposition than trying to get the top candidate removed ?

Biden is not 2012 Obama. My whole point is there no incumbent advantage. Biden is not communicating effectively from the presidential podium. This is coming from someone who will vote for Biden, but he should have been a one term president. He thought as much as one time. https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/11/biden-single-term-082129

At this point, I would take Buttigieg, and as a progressive, he makes my skin crawl.

 

[UriUT]

In my opinion, what folks should be more upset is the lack of ground game organization (voter registration, get out the vote efforts, etc), as some Obama people are criticizing. It should be completely established in swing states. If it’s true. We are in the primary season, with Biden as the presumptive winner. He’s not going to spend enormous money, unless it’s to remind folks he’s around. Besides the media narrative aren’t listening based on their headlines. Negative stories sell, unless the target is trump. Despite the scotus blocking his more publicized student loan forgiveness, he’s quietly forgiving billions. There was another announcement recently of one that went under the radar.

He has a larger coffer, which won’t be wasted like de santis on consultants and private jets. It’s more effective in the general. Worry about the annual summer gas prices for petulant, microwave attention level voters. Trump is stealing his campaign funds, in contrast.

 

[Heathen]

All polls says that Biden has not lost the young votes on the contrary.

Okay.

January 12th

Why Joe Biden is polling terribly among young voters - Vox
“Among voters under 35, a generation largely at odds with the GOP on issues such as abortion access and climate change, Trump now leads 37%-33%,” USA Today notes. The poll of 1,000 registered voters was conducted in the last week of the year, December 26–29.

That finding echoes the December results from the New York Times/Siena College poll that also triggered a fierce debate among political strategists, pundits, and pollsters over just how much to believe the poll’s findings among subsets of American voters, like Black, Latino, and young voters. In that December survey, the weak support for Biden from young people registered as a Trump lead. Among registered voters between the ages of 18–29, Trump actually led Biden 49 to 43 percent.

A number of public polls show young voters turning on Biden - NBC News

So what if Biden hasnt done all the things he promissed.

He hasn't done many of the things he promised. At least that matter to the youth - if this is the subject we're on.

Are you even aware of the fact that he never had an absolute majority? He had 2 spoilers in the senate who used their position to force certain things off his bills - Environmental solutions among others.

He most certainly did have a majority. The fact that we're at the point where we can't distinguish Republicans from Democrats anymore and that hurts the D's in situations like this is squarely on the fault of the Democratic party. There should never be Democrats that have their own party's policies stymied. Another example of having to lie in the bed they made. Who's fault is it??

What Biden DID get done despite Siena and Manchins obstruction and a completely dysfunctional house is absolutely amazing. But Biden is not king. He can't rule by decree. Compromises must be made in some situations. How to solve that ? Get him a democratic majority house AND senate.

Once again, the Democrats DID have a majority house AND senate

Senate: Democrats had majority 51-50 (VP the tiebreaking vote)
House: Democrats had majority 222-211

Instead of blaming him for those things that wasn't done, work to give him a majority which CAN get it done. He cant do this alone. Everyone needs to help by voting blue up and down ballot.

He already had it. I'm not completely lambasting the guy - he's undoubtedly done some good things and I give him credit for that.

But I'm not going to sit here and pretend it's good enough to have democrat senators block legislation because no one can reliably predict they won't vote with Republicans.

How about we vote more predictable progressive (not moderate, not centrist) options into office? No one is saying it's a solve-all. But we already know what isn't working now don't we?

 

[SteveSBrickNJ]

Okay.

January 12th





He hasn't done many of the things he promised. At least that matter to the youth - if this is the subject we're on.



He most certainly did have a majority. The fact that we're at the point where we can't distinguish Republicans from Democrats anymore and that hurts the D's in situations like this is squarely on the fault of the Democratic party. There should never be Democrats that have their own party's policies stymied. Another example of having to lie in the bed they made. Who's fault is it??



Once again, the Democrats DID have a majority house AND senate

Senate: Democrats had majority 51-50 (VP the tiebreaking vote)
House: Democrats had majority 222-211



He already had it. I'm not completely lambasting the guy - he's undoubtedly done some good things and I give him credit for that.

But I'm not going to sit here and pretend it's good enough to have democrat senators block legislation because no one can reliably predict they won't vote with Republicans.

How about we vote more predictable progressive (not moderate, not centrist) options into office? No one is saying it's a solve-all. But we already know what isn't working now don't we?

Ahhh! The last paragraph bothers me. This country needs less progressives...not more.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

So I " don't realize the risk to the country", yet I'm probably the only one here chastising the performance of the party that is in danger of losing to Trump once again. ....................

Look, I'm not a big fan of Biden's leadership ability. I've pointed that out before. But I sure as hell am not going to shoot myself, and this country, in the foot because of that by not doing everything possible to keep Trump out of the white house.

First: keep this democracy afloat.

2nd: work on your party later.

 

[LA - L.A.]

So I " don't realize the risk to the country", yet I'm probably the only one here chastising the performance of the party that is in danger of losing to Trump once again. The GOP goes more right - the Democratic party shifts right to try to catch the right wingers who would normally never vote Blue but just can't stomach a Trump vote. So the whole party keeps the rightward shift. See how that works?

That's not how it's actually working. It was that way up until after the 2016 election. Everyone, not just politicians and political parties, are moving farther apart towards the end of the spectrum. The Republicans/right wing/conservatives are no longer pulling everyone to the right.

You're still following old rules, just like the Obama presidency significantly changed the rules of the game, so has the Trump presidency.

Biden has lost the young vote for this election cycle.

That's pure polling speculation and remains to be seen.

Why should we not hold him accountable for that?

Let's cut to the chase shall we?

If the general election comes down to Biden versus Trump, who do you want to win out of Biden and Trump?

I can say without hesitation, without any cringing, and without any ambiguity that I want Biden to win, preferably by the biggest margin ever.

Is Biden perfect? No. Might he have issues? Yes. Will he be working alone and making decisions alone? No president ever has or ever will, not even Trump. Would Biden be better for the vast majority of us and the future of our society? By a light year, all day every day.

So what says everyone else? Do you want Biden or Trump to win, because that's more than likely what it's going to realistically come down to.

Choose wisely, if not for your own sake, then please do it for the sake of the vast majority of us. I personally don't have the physical or emotional capacity to add joining the resistance or fleeing to another country to my plate. Do we really want to voluntarily choose to deal with Trump as president again, after all we've been through since 2020?

 

[J-DONK]

Ahhh! The last paragraph bothers me. This country needs less progressives...not more.

These are always funny comments. California, and New York, and most of the actual net payers into federal coffers are all progressive. If conservative ideology worked, the south would have risen by now.

Clearly it's progressives holding back America.

Biden has been far to the left of Obama thankfully: Pro-labor, and anti-monopoly