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    This probably needs its own thread. It ties in with a lot of different R culture wars: Attacks on universities, attacks on CRT and “woke”. Classifying teachers and librarians as “groomers”. Pushing vouchers to send tax money to private, often religious, schools. Betsy DeVos was an advocate for all these policies that will weaken public education, and there are several billionaires who also want to dismantle public education. Public education may have its faults, but it is responsible for an amazing amount of upward mobility. Kids from poor areas can still get a college prep education in a public school.

    Vouchers (sometimes disguised as “school choice”) are a particular peeve of mine. Public money is diverted from poor schools to wealthy private schools, which aren’t required to offer accommodations for special needs or challenged students. Families with special needs kids are left out. Rural areas often suffer disproportionately because there are no private schools to attend, but their public schools still see the reduction in funding. Often the families who take advantage of the voucher money are upper class and the private schools simply raise tuition knowing the families are getting taxpayer money now.

    Greg Abbot is being particularly vile in this area. No surprise. Voters will have to make a statement about public education. If we want to halt the growing divide in this country between the “haves” and “have-nots”, we need to pay attention to public education.

     
    Then he can easily spell it out so there is no confusion and no accusation of putting words in other peoples mouths.

    I want to avoid accusations of people putting words in others' mouths... which is why I asked you to answer instead of leaving me to fill in the blanks. lol
     
    I want to avoid accusations of people putting words in others' mouths... which is why I asked you to answer instead of leaving me to fill in the blanks. lol
    So get back to me when you figure out and are able to articulate clearly and discuss whatever point you are trying to make.
     
    You did? That's news to me. You answered your own questions, but never mine. Weird.
    Nah. I told you clearly I didn’t agree with your assertion. Go back and read carefully. You had follow-up questions as a matter of fact and that is when I asked you to explain the relevance to me. You have failed to do so.
     
    Nah. I told you clearly I didn’t agree with your assertion. Go back and read carefully. You had follow-up questions as a matter of fact and that is when I asked you to explain the relevance to me. You have failed to do so.
    Why does it matter what his point is? It’s a simple question involving facts. You can answer it truthfully or you can do whatever it is you are doing here.
     
    Nah. I told you clearly I didn’t agree with your assertion. Go back and read carefully. You had follow-up questions as a matter of fact and that is when I asked you to explain the relevance to me. You have failed to do so.

    You're right, you did. I will elaborate. I asked you why you couldn't acknowledge it as a follow-up because your initial answer was lacking in context. My goal was to see if you could acknowledge reality. Evidence has been shown to you by me, as well as others, that neo-nazis and white supremacists support the GOP. This is a fact. Do you acknowledge this as fact?
     
    You're right, you did. I will elaborate. I asked you why you couldn't acknowledge it as a follow-up because your initial answer was lacking in context. My goal was to see if you could acknowledge reality. Evidence has been shown to you by me, as well as others, that neo-nazis and white supremacists support the GOP. This is a fact. Do you acknowledge this as fact?
    I asked you then and I will ask you again, why should I give two shirts in your hat who neo Nazis or Palestinian terrorists or communists or serial killers vote for? You have a point here. Grow a pair and say it. Spell it out.
     
    I asked you then and I will ask you again, why should I give two shirts in your hat who neo Nazis or Palestinian terrorists or communists or serial killers vote for? You have a point here. Grow a pair and say it. Spell it out.

    "Grow a pair" says the grown adult afraid of answering a question about reality. Oh, and by the way. This:

    BS. Explain the relevance. I don’t give a shirt about your promises or your assurances. Been down that road with you before. It doesn’t play out.

    This is an absolute lie and I have our message history to prove it, so I will ask you kindly to stop lying about me.
     
    "Grow a pair" says the grown adult afraid of answering a question about reality. Oh, and by the way. This:



    This is an absolute lie and I have our message history to prove it, so I will ask you kindly to stop lying about me.
    As I said. When you figure out and are able to discuss the point you are attempting to make here. Get back to me.
     
    As I said. When you figure out and are able to discuss the point you are attempting to make here. Get back to me.

    I did:

    My goal was to see if you could acknowledge reality. Evidence has been shown to you by me, as well as others, that neo-nazis and white supremacists support the GOP. This is a fact. Do you acknowledge this as fact?
     
    I did:

    My goal was to see if you could acknowledge reality. Evidence has been shown to you by me, as well as others, that neo-nazis and white supremacists support the GOP. This is a fact. Do you acknowledge this as fact?
    I don’t accept your reality. I don’t accept that what you call facts are facts at all. But feel free to vote based on your reality. I would expect nothing less. That is perfectly okay with me. Whatever floats your boat.
     
    I don’t accept your reality. I don’t accept that what you call facts are facts at all. But feel free to vote based on your reality. I would expect nothing less. That is perfectly okay with me. Whatever floats your boat.

    This isn't my reality. This is the real world. What don't you accept about the evidence you've been shown, such as the examples in this post?

     
    This isn't my reality. This is the real world. What don't you accept about the evidence you've been shown, such as the examples in this post?

    No. It’s your reality. Your world.

    But here is the deal. Believe what you want. We simply don’t agree on what you claim are facts or evidence.
     
    This is cult-like behavior, isn’t it? Or something…just outright denial of facts. Proven facts. You don’t have to like it that some very vile people - groups of them - are drawn to the GOP. We know you don’t like it. But to deny what has actually happened? To pretend that you get your own reality that doesn’t include uncomfortable facts? That’s not right.
     

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