Reports (w/ multiple sources) detail Trump's pattern of disrespecting military casualties (1 Viewer)

[nolaspe]

Another article about trumps slipping support with the military
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The weekend warriors in their Army surplus battle rattle, their paintball weapons and gun show specials are getting lots of love from this clown show’s commander in chief.

“GREAT PATRIOTS!” President Trump tweeted, along with a video of the vigilantes flouting the law and causing disorder while cruising the streets of an American city.

Meanwhile, the real defenders of freedom — the men and women of the U.S. military — aren’t getting love from Trump. And they’re sure not giving it.

Unsurprising, given the way Trump didn’t even blink at reports that Russia was paying bounties to Afghan troops for American kills.

Or that he was impeached for withholding military aid to Ukraine, putting global trust in America’s military at risk.

Or that he keeps trying to take millions in military funding — gutting plenty of military projects right here in the D.C. region, including a day care for military kids — to build his wall.........

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/support-for-trump-appears-to-be-slipping-in-the-military-and-no-wonder/2020/08/31/7748cf3e-ebb9-11ea-b4bc-3a2098fc73d4_story.html

VoteVets.org just posted this on fbook...

Trump: Americans Who Died in War Are ‘Losers’ and ‘Suckers’

The president has repeatedly disparaged the intelligence of service members, and asked that wounded veterans be kept out of military parades, multiple sources tell The Atlantic.

www.theatlantic.com

 

[SaintForLife]

If you will refer to the post above yours (#141), you will see that I am speaking from a personal standpoint and not a rules standpoint.

But you reported the post to a moderator.

 

[SaintForLife]

Oh so we should make rules based on random Twitter posters opinions?

 

[Saintamaniac]

Gentlemen, gentlemen please! Enough with the alphabet memes. Let us not take our attention away from the fact that the current president of the United States actually hates our military. That's what we are in this thread to discuss; the unmitigated disdain that Trump has for our armed forces.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

But you reported the post to a moderator.

Yes. I tried to handle it through PM but you refused to acknowledge it. If we want to create a community where everyone feels welcome, things like this should be addressed.

Oh so we should make rules based on random Twitter posters opinions?

You asked, so I showed you.

 

[SaintForLife]

Yes. I tried to handle it through PM but you refused to acknowledge it. If we want to create a community where everyone feels welcome, things like this should be addressed.



You asked, so I showed you.

I got your PM. I had never even heard of ableist so I googled ableist and mixed case typing. What came up was 2 random twitter posts, some reditt posts and some random websites. So I had no idea if you were being honest or just complaining so I didn't respond.

You don't seem to want to create a welcome community. It seemed like you were looking for any reason to report me because you don't like what I post or how I post. That's the last thing I will say about this subject.

 

[SaintForLife]

Gentlemen, gentlemen please! Enough with the alphabet memes. Let us not take our attention away from the fact that the current president of the United States actually hates our military. That's what we are in this thread to discuss; the unmitigated disdain that Trump has for our armed forces.

According to who?

 

[LA - L.A.]

According to who?

This story is not a story I'd expect a non-Trump supporter to try to discredit and deflect away from. Even though you claim you're not a Trump supporter or voter, that's all you've done in this thread. And you've put quite a bit of time and energy into it.

The reason I've had a very low regard for Trump since the early 80's is because he is dishonest and disingenuous at his core. It's not just a personality trait for Trump, it's his entire personality.

This story is just one of many instances throughout his entire life in which he has demonstrated that he's a compulsive liar who will say and do anything, that people let him get away with, to get what he wants for himself.

It's tragically humorous to me that you are trying to defend Trump in this instance by questioning the genuineness and honesty of the people who are reporting and confirming this story.

 

[not2rich]

According to who?

Evidence and common sense?

 

[not2rich]

According to SFL, we should give the benefit of the doubt to a serial liar who is already on record calling John McCain and his "own" generals "losers," but we should question the veracity of reporters who are putting their reputation on the line, because their anonymous sources can't be trusted. But SFL doesn't have any problem using anonymous sources to back up his own arguments.

 

[SaintForLife]

Evidence and common sense?

The same kind of common sense that had multiple "confirmations" for the false story that Don Jr got advance notice of the Wikileaks dump?

 

[SaintForLife]

According to SFL, we should give the benefit of the doubt to a serial liar who is already on record calling John McCain and his "own" generals "losers," but we should question the veracity of reporters who are putting their reputation on the line, because their anonymous sources can't be trusted. But SFL doesn't have any problem using anonymous sources to back up his own arguments.

Nope that's not what I claimed and you know it. I'm saying that those sources need to go on record if they are to be believed 60 days out from an election with an explosive claim.

 

[MT15]

Is it an explosive claim though when it just confirms a known pattern of behavior? I’d suggest it’s not.

 

[LA - L.A.]

Nope that's not what I claimed and you know it. I'm saying that those sources need to go on record if they are to be believed 60 days out from an election with an explosive claim.

Who do you believe, the multiple, independently confirmed unnamed sources or Trump?

I believe the independently confirmed unnamed sources, because what they are saying is consistent with many public comments Trump has made throughout his life.

On the other hand, Trump is now denying previously recorded, public comments he made about McCain being a loser, so we know for a fact he's lying about insulting and disrespecting soldiers.

To believe Trump over the unnamed sources in this matter requires being heavily biased in favor of Trump.

 

[MT15]

Here is the same thought, but put very succinctly.



Also, the way Fox News has treated their own reporter for telling the truth and confirming the story is absolutely shameful.

 

[SaintForLife]

Is it an explosive claim though when it just confirms a known pattern of behavior? I’d suggest it’s not.

Is that the new standard for if a story is to be believed? Do you remember when the false CNN story about Don Jr getting advance knowledge of the Wikileaks dump that was "comfirmed" by multiple sources and news agencies? Actually all of those "confirmations" turned out to be false.

The media and Democrats must have little confidence in Biden's ability to win that they have to create these supposed bombshells that all fizzle away with closer scrutiny. The Russian bounties, the Post Office scandal, Trump hates the military, Mueller didn't actually look at Trumps taxes and didn't fully investigate his Russian ties. The playbook is very obvious to anyone who isn't a Trump hater. There are plenty legitimate issues to criticize Trump on, but I guess those aren't good enough for the media and Democrats. Did they not learn anything from Hillary’s horrible campaign when she made it all about Trump's character?

Omg how can I defend Trump when we all know he's a horrible person? Well I like to debate on a message board and I like pointing out things that are false or that we should be skeptical about believing. Also I'm less frightened of when Republicans are in power due to Trump and the Republicans incompetence. Look how little Trump and the Republicans have accomplished with new legislation due to Trump being an idiot or incompetent. There are some issues that need addressing, but imo the country is usually better off when there is a stalemate and we don't get anymore bad bills.

I am curious what the next manufactured bombshell will be and I know we will see plenty since the election is near.

 

[brandon]

Look how little Trump and the Republicans have accomplished with new legislation due to Trump being an idiot or incompetent.

What an Orwellian world we’re living in where incompetence is now a reason to vote for someone.

There are some issues that need addressing

Understatement of the millennium

The media and Democrats must have little confidence in Biden's ability to win that they have to create these supposed bombshells that all fizzle away with closer scrutiny. The Russian bounties, the Post Office scandal, Trump hates the military, Mueller didn't actually look at Trumps taxes and didn't fully investigate his Russian ties...There are plenty legitimate issues to criticize Trump on, but I guess those aren't good enough for the media and Democrats.

There are plenty of legitimate issues to criticize him on, including the items listed above. The problem is, you don’t want to include those items because if you did, you might actually have to reconsider who you support. Rather than deal with that cognitive dissonance, you just choose to dismiss those parts of his presidency as “illegitimate.” Denial is a highly effective defense mechanism, and it appears to be working for you.

The only reason you consider other arguments against him “legitimate” is because they aren’t enough to make you reconsider your opinion.

 

[LA - L.A.]

... I like pointing out things that are false or that we should be skeptical about believing.

Yet you show no skepticism toward believing Trump who is a proven compulsive liar. You ignore the daily assault of false statements that he makes.

You almost always defend anything positive about Trump as being true and almost everything negative about Trump as being false, just like you have been doing throughout this thread.

You even hint that you think we are better off with Trump as president, although you repeatedly claim you didn't and won't vote for him. It seems inconsistent to me.

You insinuate he has done no harm, yet you think of yourself as a person who points out things that are false and the things we should be skeptical of. That seems contradictory to me.

We know Trump's a liar that says provably false things on a daily basis to try to make himself look good, yet it's Trump that you defend as being the one telling the truth, while claiming those saying negative things about him are lying. You're very consistent in doing that.

I am curious what the next manufactured bombshell will be and I know we will see plenty since the election is near.

You may be a lot of things, but curious doesn't seem to be one of them.

You've already convinced yourself this story is false and convinced yourself that there will be more negative stories about Trump that you have prejudged to all be false.

You've prejudged the situation which by definition means you are prejudiced. Your mind is already made up in advanced before any future stories and the facts surrounding them are known.

There's no room for curiosity in a closed and prejudiced mind.

 

[SaintForLife]

Here is the same thought, but put very succinctly.



Also, the way Fox News has treated their own reporter for telling the truth and confirming the story is absolutely shameful.

You are quick to point out when you think I post a biased source, but you rarely say specifically what you think that is incorrect about what they say. I'll do both.

Lawfare admitted they looked bad after the Russia investigation and I'm not sure Jim Comey's buddy is a good person to cite for accurate analysis.

I guess Wittes doesn't think most people know Goldberg's history or will bother looking it up.