QAnon (1 Viewer)

[Dragon]

This organisation and its reach is seriously scary. When the head of the New York Police Department's second-largest police union openly shows his support of this "organisation" then something is seriously wrong!

The head of the New York Police Department's second-largest police union gave a television interview Friday afternoon while sitting in front of a mug emblazoned with QAnon imagery and slogans.

The mug behind Mullins featured the word "QANON" and the hashtag #WWG1WGA, which stands for "where we go one, we go all," a popular slogan among QAnon supporters. At the center of the mug was a large letter Q, which refers to a supposed government insider who, according to QAnon supporters, posts cryptic clues on the Internet about the "deep state."


More than a year ago, the FBI reportedly assessed that QAnon was a dangerous movement that was likely to inspire its most extreme members to commit violent acts of domestic terrorism.

In recent weeks, QAnon supporters have been posting videos of themselves reciting an oath and repeating the "where we go one, we go all" catchphrase that is seen on the mug. They say they are preparing "digital soldiers" for an apocalyptic reckoning, when thousands of "deep state" pedophiles will be arrested and prosecuted at military courts at Guantanamo Bay.

https://us.cnn.com/2020/07/17/us/head-nypd-union-qanon-mug/index.html

 

[DaveXA]

Well...the literal definition of faith is "belief that is not based on truth." So true faith is both blind and completely oblivious to truth. That doesn't mean a faith based claim is necessarily untrue, but that its truthfulness is necessarily coincidental to the belief in the claim, i.e., the claim is believed regardless of whether it's true.

If you're basing something on more than faith (i.e. past experience), then you're no longer making a faith based claim, but an evidence based claim.

You're highlighting just one part of the definition of faith. So my point stands when you consider how faith can be defined.

 

[SystemShock]

Yea, but i don't think faith is a bad thing by itself.

Faith is a tool, sometimes people need to believe in something to accomplish big things.

Faith is like a gun, it can be used against evil or for evil.

That'd depend on context and how you define faith.

I have had many arguments with apologists who claim science is a religion, and that atheists' "faith" in the scientific method is no different from religious faith, which is the belief in the unknown. I have "faith" in the scientific method inasmuch as it being the proven best method to learn about our reality. So it isn't "faith" as much as trust.

You can have "faith" in your proven abilities that you'll accomplish something big, or you just can have "faith" that you'll accomplish something, with no basis in reality.

You can have "faith" that if you keep buying lottery tickets, you'll win.

Like @SFIDC3 said, "faith" can also be one wanting to believe something is true.

And there is also the people who may or may not have "faith" in something, but want to be part of anything resembling a community, so they'll follow no matter what. That's very prevalent in the flat Earth community, and probably in QAnon too, to varying degrees.

 

[Booker]

You're highlighting just one part of the definition of faith. So my point stands when you consider how faith can be defined.

Different types of faith are defined, yes, but each come back to not being based on proof. That's, again, literally the difference between having faith in something and claiming evidence based knowledge.

 

[samiam5211]

That'd depend on context and how you define faith.

I have had many arguments with apologists who claim science is a religion, and that atheists' "faith" in the scientific method is no different from religious faith, which is the belief in the unknown. I have "faith" in the scientific method inasmuch as it being the proven best method to learn about our reality. So it isn't "faith" as much as trust.

You can have "faith" in your proven abilities that you'll accomplish something big, or you just can have "faith" that you'll accomplish something, with no basis in reality.

You can have "faith" that if you keep buying lottery tickets, you'll win.

Like @SFIDC3 said, "faith" can also be one wanting to believe something is true.

And there is also the people who may or may not have "faith" in something, but want to be part of anything resembling a community, so they'll follow no matter what. That's very prevalent in the flat Earth community, and probably

On one level you have to have faith that other people aren’t all out to kill you or you don’t get a civilization.

 

[SystemShock]

On one level you have to have faith that other people aren’t all out to kill you or you don’t get a civilization.

What?

Dude...

 

[DaveXA]

On one level you have to have faith that other people aren’t all out to kill you or you don’t get a civilization.

Sort of like having faith in the pilot getting your plane to the destination.

 

[Booker]

On one level you have to have faith that other people aren’t all out to kill you or you don’t get a civilization.

Sort of like having faith in the pilot getting your plane to the destination.

Continuing with the friendly sidebar of naval gazing semantics, I would argue that both are generally examples of evidence based decision making.

For example, civilization was attained after people demonstrated that they could be trusted to work in a common interest (think of Reagan's "trust, but verify"). Thus the modern social contract evolves (or devolves, as it may be) based on how trustworthy people find their neighbors to be in working toward a common interest. A current problem being that some people have an interest, monetary or otherwise, in exploiting fissures in and breaking that common trust, leading to things like Qanon and the Trump administration.

Likewise, people get on planes because they've been proven to fly, and when you pay to fly it is with the understanding that the pilot is trained and licensed, and statistically speaking your chances of reaching your destination safely are much, much higher than dying in a fiery crash. So getting on a plane is generally an educated decision.

However, if I said "I've never flown before, but I slept in a Holiday Inn last night, and I'll get you from A to B safely," and you'd never met me prior, so you had no way to judge me or my confidence in making that statement -- and you had no idea what a Holiday Inn is and the potential benefits of sleeping at one -- then that would indeed require faith to believe I could get you to the destination and that we would not both die in absurd fashion.

 

[samiam5211]

People really don’t like the word faith.

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Ignorance is the lack of knowledge. Stupid is the work you are looking for. They can be stupid to the Nth degree

Ignorance also includes lack of awareness. So it is defenitly both.
I know some very educated people who are ignorant, they are usually of the engineering field. lol.
No doudt these people like QAnon and Patriot Front guys are a combination of many words...

 

[MT15]

Much to nobody’s surprise, Trump’s “Truth” Social has turned into QAnon headquarters these days. Also notice the Bible verses - Q nuts are very fond of quoting Scripture and imagining that their cause (and Trump himself) are anointed by God to save the world from Satan. These are dangerous lunatics.

 

[SFIDC3]

Depends on how you define faith. True faith isn't blind and also isn't oblivious to truth.

Hard disagree on that one….but lets just leave it at that….

 

[SFIDC3]

Sort of like having faith in the pilot getting your plane to the destination.

That’s not a question of faith, that’s a question of confidence …..

 

[DaveXA]

That’s not a question of faith, that’s a question of confidence …..

To each his own then.

 

[MT15]

I totally missed this special election in TX: another R Qnut is now in the House. Great.

 

[Taurus]

I totally missed this special election in TX: another R Qnut is now in the House. Great.

84% Hispanic and it went red. Yeah, this November is going to look like what happens when you run over a pile of gophers with a lawnmower.

 

[superchuck500]

I totally missed this special election in TX: another R Qnut is now in the House. Great.

It’s nice that Elon used his first vote as a Texan to help elect a Q sympathizer to Congress.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Huh?

 

[DaveXA]

Huh?

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