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    So, rather than burying this subject in an already broad thread I felt this topic, and the study it is based on, deserved its own thread. A debate about whether the protests have been mostly violent or not has been had multiple times in multiple threads so when I saw this analysis it piqued my interest.

    A few key points: It characterizes the BLM movement as "an overwhelmingly peaceful movement." Most of the violent demonstrations were surrounding Confederate monuments. To this mostly non-violent movement, the government has responded violently, and disproportionately so, to BLM than other demonstrations, including a militarized federal response. The media has, also, been targeted by this violent government response. There is a high rate of non-state actor involvement in BLM demonstrations. Lastly, there is a rising number of counter-protest that turn violent. I shouldn't say lastly because there is, also, a lot of data relating to Covid too.

    The Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED) begin tracking BLM demonstrations since this summer, the week of George Floyd's killing. I am linking the entire study for all to read. I am highlighting excerpts I personally found interesting.


    The vast majority of demonstration events associated with the BLM movement are non-violent (see map below). In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movement, demonstrators have not engaged in violence or destructive activity. Peaceful protests are reported in over 2,400 distinct locations around the country. Violent demonstrations, meanwhile, have been limited to fewer than 220 locations — under 10% of the areas that experienced peaceful protests. In many urban areas like Portland, Oregon, for example, which has seen sustained unrest since Floyd’s killing, violent demonstrations are largely confined to specific blocks, rather than dispersed throughout the city (CNN, 1 September 2020).

    Yet, despite data indicating that demonstrations associated with the BLM movement are overwhelmingly peaceful, one recent poll suggested that 42% of respondents believe “most protesters [associated with the BLM movement] are trying to incite violence or destroy property” (FiveThirtyEight, 5 June 2020). This is in line with the Civiqs tracking poll which finds that “net approval for the Black Lives Matter movement peaked back on June 3 [the week following the killing of George Floyd when riots first began to be reported] and has fallen sharply since” (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 29 August 2020).

    Research from the University of Washington indicates that this disparity stems from political orientation and biased media framing (Washington Post, 24 August 2020), such as disproportionate coverage of violent demonstrations (Business Insider, 11 June 2020; Poynter, 25 June 2020). Groups like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) have documented organized disinformation campaigns aimed at spreading a “deliberate mischaracterization of groups or movements [involved in the protests], such as portraying activists who support Black Lives Matter as violent extremists or claiming that antifa is a terrorist organization coordinated or manipulated by nebulous external forces” (ADL, 2020). These disinformation campaigns may be contributing to the decline in public support for the BLM movement after the initial increase following Floyd’s killing, especially amongst the white population (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 30 August 2020a, 30 August 2020b). This waning support also comes as the Trump administration recently shifted its “law and order” messaging to target local Democratic Party politicians from urban areas, particularly on the campaign trail (NPR, 27 August 2020).

    Despite the fact that demonstrations associated with the BLM movement have been overwhelmingly peaceful, more than 9% — or nearly one in 10 — have been met with government intervention, compared to 3% of all other demonstrations. This also marks a general increase in intervention rates relative to this time last year. In July 2019, authorities intervened in under 2% of all demonstrations — fewer than 30 events — relative to July 2020, when they intervened in 9% of all demonstrations — or over 170 events.

    Authorities have used force — such as firing less-lethal weapons like tear gas, rubber bullets, and pepper spray or beating demonstrators with batons — in over 54% of the demonstrations in which they have engaged. This too is a significant increase relative to one year ago. In July 2019, government personnel used force in just three documented demonstrations, compared to July 2020, when they used force against demonstrators in at least 65 events. Over 5% of all events linked to the BLM movement have been met with force by authorities, compared to under 1% of all other demonstrations.

    Non-state groups are becoming more active and assertive. Since May, ACLED records over 100 events in which non-state actors engaged in demonstrations (including counter-demonstrations) — the vast majority of which were in response to demonstrations associated with the BLM movement. These non-state actors include groups and militias from both the left and right side of the political spectrum, such as Antifa, the Not forking Around Coalition, the New Mexico Civil Guard, the Patriot Front, the Proud Boys, the Boogaloo Bois, and the Ku Klux Klan, among others (see map below).3

    Between 24 May and 22 August, over 360 counter-protests were recorded around the country, accounting for nearly 5% of all demonstrations. Of these, 43 — nearly 12% — turned violent, with clashes between pro-police demonstrators and demonstrators associated with the BLM movement, for example. In July alone, ACLED records over 160 counter-protests, or more than 8% of all demonstrations. Of these, 18 turned violent. This is a significant increase relative to July 2019, when only 17 counter-protests were reported around the country, or approximately 1% of all demonstrations, and only one of these allegedly turned violent.
     
    I don't think this Florida bill amounts to a whole lot except for the waiving of sovereign immunity.

    I mean other stuff could make things really different, but I bet the actual text makes clearer (for example - there is no way any sane person could think you can convict someone simply because they were at a protest/rally/gathering where some other people engaged in criminal activity).
    The waiving of immunity could really result in bankrupting some communities though - talk about "defunding" police. That has the potential of doing it really quickly.
     
    I don't think this Florida bill amounts to a whole lot except for the waiving of sovereign immunity.

    I mean other stuff could make things really different, but I bet the actual text makes clearer (for example - there is no way any sane person could think you can convict someone simply because they were at a protest/rally/gathering where some other people engaged in criminal activity).
    The waiving of immunity could really result in bankrupting some communities though - talk about "defunding" police. That has the potential of doing it really quickly.

    Is it even legal for the state to force a municipality to waive sovereign immunity?
     
    It should be noted, in all the "whataboutism" and fearmongering over Antifa, there are real, organized far-right groups finding themselves under arrest and being charged for plotting the violent overthrow of government.


    Get back to me when Antifa starts using Whatsapp, coded messages and holding paramilitary training sessions with the express intention of sparking a civil war.

    Actually, get back to me when Antifa not only has these things, but members get charged for it and they've got a 30-year history of this kind of thing.
     
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    It should be noted, in all the "whataboutism" and fearmongering over Antifa, there are real, organized far-right groups finding themselves under arrest and being charged for plotting the violent overthrow of government.


    Get back to me when Antifa starts using Whatsapp, coded messages and holding paramilitary training sessions with the express intention of sparking a civil war.

    Actually, get back to me when Antifa not only has these things, but members get charged for and they've got a 30-year history of this kind of thing.
    Hell, get back to me when antifa has a website.
     
    Resurrecting this thread. To the credit of the federal government, it is prosecuting the far right wing bad actors who seem to be behind the worst of the violence that erupted in Minneapolis after George Floyd was killed.

    This is the third member of the Boogaloo Boys to have been arrested following that violence.

     
    https://www.foxnews.com/us/minneapo...s-complain-slow-response-times-increase-crime

    Thought this might be best in an existing thread but I couldn't find the 'defund the police' thread (I thought there was one, but I guess I was wrong).

    It almost as if people were saying this is what would happen when it was happening.
    You do realize they never cut funding. They voted on a resolution but no changes were made and the resolution was to look at how they could change funding.
     
    You do realize they never cut funding. They voted on a resolution but no changes were made and the resolution was to look at how they could change funding.

    "Minneapolis on Friday backtracked on its original push to defund the city’s police department in the wake of George Floyd’s police custody death after residents begged the city to hire more officers, citing longer response times and increased violent crime.

    The City Council on Friday voted unanimously to approve $6.4 million in additional funding that police had requested."


    I will give you that words and meaning in todays USA change on the daily, but I think 'additional' still means to add on to something or something added. Either way, 6.4 million is in the wrong direction from the 'defund'.
     
    So they have actually increased police funding by $6.4 million and are getting worse response times?
     
    So they have actually increased police funding by $6.4 million and are getting worse response times?

    No. but if that is how you want to interpret that timeline, that is your call.
     
    Sorry, I am having a bad day with reading evidently. So they never reduced the funding, but saw deteriorating call times, and ended up increasing the police budget by what they requested?

    I think I have it now.
     
    "Minneapolis on Friday backtracked on its original push to defund the city’s police department in the wake of George Floyd’s police custody death after residents begged the city to hire more officers, citing longer response times and increased violent crime.

    The City Council on Friday voted unanimously to approve $6.4 million in additional funding that police had requested."


    I will give you that words and meaning in todays USA change on the daily, but I think 'additional' still means to add on to something or something added. Either way, 6.4 million is in the wrong direction from the 'defund'.
    My point was they made a resolution to re route funding from police last year. They are still researching that and no change in funding has been made. This additional funding isn’t a result of defunding that was made, which is insinuated by the author of the article.
     
    There is quite a narrative on the right that BLM is behind the violence at the protests last summer. So a little light has been shed as investigations have been carried out. We now know that the looting of the AutoZone store was encouraged by a white nationalist (guy dressed in black with umbrella). And the burning of a police station was started by Boogaloos.

     
    There is quite a narrative on the right that BLM is behind the violence at the protests last summer. So a little light has been shed as investigations have been carried out. We now know that the looting of the AutoZone store was encouraged by a white nationalist (guy dressed in black with umbrella). And the burning of a police station was started by Boogaloos.

    As Joe OKC used to say, "I am shocked. Shocked I tell ya".
     

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