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    So, rather than burying this subject in an already broad thread I felt this topic, and the study it is based on, deserved its own thread. A debate about whether the protests have been mostly violent or not has been had multiple times in multiple threads so when I saw this analysis it piqued my interest.

    A few key points: It characterizes the BLM movement as "an overwhelmingly peaceful movement." Most of the violent demonstrations were surrounding Confederate monuments. To this mostly non-violent movement, the government has responded violently, and disproportionately so, to BLM than other demonstrations, including a militarized federal response. The media has, also, been targeted by this violent government response. There is a high rate of non-state actor involvement in BLM demonstrations. Lastly, there is a rising number of counter-protest that turn violent. I shouldn't say lastly because there is, also, a lot of data relating to Covid too.

    The Armed Conflict Location and Event Data Project (ACLED) begin tracking BLM demonstrations since this summer, the week of George Floyd's killing. I am linking the entire study for all to read. I am highlighting excerpts I personally found interesting.


    The vast majority of demonstration events associated with the BLM movement are non-violent (see map below). In more than 93% of all demonstrations connected to the movement, demonstrators have not engaged in violence or destructive activity. Peaceful protests are reported in over 2,400 distinct locations around the country. Violent demonstrations, meanwhile, have been limited to fewer than 220 locations — under 10% of the areas that experienced peaceful protests. In many urban areas like Portland, Oregon, for example, which has seen sustained unrest since Floyd’s killing, violent demonstrations are largely confined to specific blocks, rather than dispersed throughout the city (CNN, 1 September 2020).

    Yet, despite data indicating that demonstrations associated with the BLM movement are overwhelmingly peaceful, one recent poll suggested that 42% of respondents believe “most protesters [associated with the BLM movement] are trying to incite violence or destroy property” (FiveThirtyEight, 5 June 2020). This is in line with the Civiqs tracking poll which finds that “net approval for the Black Lives Matter movement peaked back on June 3 [the week following the killing of George Floyd when riots first began to be reported] and has fallen sharply since” (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 29 August 2020).

    Research from the University of Washington indicates that this disparity stems from political orientation and biased media framing (Washington Post, 24 August 2020), such as disproportionate coverage of violent demonstrations (Business Insider, 11 June 2020; Poynter, 25 June 2020). Groups like the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) have documented organized disinformation campaigns aimed at spreading a “deliberate mischaracterization of groups or movements [involved in the protests], such as portraying activists who support Black Lives Matter as violent extremists or claiming that antifa is a terrorist organization coordinated or manipulated by nebulous external forces” (ADL, 2020). These disinformation campaigns may be contributing to the decline in public support for the BLM movement after the initial increase following Floyd’s killing, especially amongst the white population (USA Today, 31 August 2020; Civiqs, 30 August 2020a, 30 August 2020b). This waning support also comes as the Trump administration recently shifted its “law and order” messaging to target local Democratic Party politicians from urban areas, particularly on the campaign trail (NPR, 27 August 2020).

    Despite the fact that demonstrations associated with the BLM movement have been overwhelmingly peaceful, more than 9% — or nearly one in 10 — have been met with government intervention, compared to 3% of all other demonstrations. This also marks a general increase in intervention rates relative to this time last year. In July 2019, authorities intervened in under 2% of all demonstrations — fewer than 30 events — relative to July 2020, when they intervened in 9% of all demonstrations — or over 170 events.

    Authorities have used force — such as firing less-lethal weapons like tear gas, rubber bullets, and pepper spray or beating demonstrators with batons — in over 54% of the demonstrations in which they have engaged. This too is a significant increase relative to one year ago. In July 2019, government personnel used force in just three documented demonstrations, compared to July 2020, when they used force against demonstrators in at least 65 events. Over 5% of all events linked to the BLM movement have been met with force by authorities, compared to under 1% of all other demonstrations.

    Non-state groups are becoming more active and assertive. Since May, ACLED records over 100 events in which non-state actors engaged in demonstrations (including counter-demonstrations) — the vast majority of which were in response to demonstrations associated with the BLM movement. These non-state actors include groups and militias from both the left and right side of the political spectrum, such as Antifa, the Not forking Around Coalition, the New Mexico Civil Guard, the Patriot Front, the Proud Boys, the Boogaloo Bois, and the Ku Klux Klan, among others (see map below).3

    Between 24 May and 22 August, over 360 counter-protests were recorded around the country, accounting for nearly 5% of all demonstrations. Of these, 43 — nearly 12% — turned violent, with clashes between pro-police demonstrators and demonstrators associated with the BLM movement, for example. In July alone, ACLED records over 160 counter-protests, or more than 8% of all demonstrations. Of these, 18 turned violent. This is a significant increase relative to July 2019, when only 17 counter-protests were reported around the country, or approximately 1% of all demonstrations, and only one of these allegedly turned violent.
     
    You dont have to be racist to question everything about the BLM movement.
    One does not have to be racist to question everything about the BLM movement.

    Likewise, criticizing someone for misplaced and misguided criticism of the Black Lives Matter movement doesn't equate to calling them racist.

    Criticizing someone for accusingly questioning the Black Lives Matter moment over things that have not be shown to be connected to the Black Lives Matter movement is not calling that person racist.

    Criticizing someone for assuming that every black person acts on behalf of the Black Lives Matter movement is not calling that person racist.

    I haven't seen anyone accuse anyone else in this thread of being racist. Making unsupported accusations, yes. Making unsupported assumptions, yes. Being racist, no.

    Accusing people of calling oneself racist to dismiss and avoid legitimate criticism seems to just be a different twist on "playing the race card."
     
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    Well, this is perfectly normal.....🤦‍♀️

    I feel like there will be witch trials next. That we have told ourselves that we have evolved socially since the 1600s, and that was a big fat lie.

     
    And while Billy Barr lies about the threat from Antifa, these guys pose a huge threat to law enforcement. Yet, he’s paying them no mind. These guys have been at many of the protests, blending in and looking to kill or injure cops. Failing that, they would love to start a civil war. They’re a genuine threat of domestic terror and it’s only a matter of time before they percolate up another McVeigh. It makes zero law enforcement sense to ignore them, yet that is what Barr’s DOJ seems to be doing.

     
    @Farb -

    Not to call you out but you had quoted my post a couple of days ago and mentioned you would respond in kind the next day, you were going to bed without AC.

    In case you don’t remember this was in regards to who specifically are antifa leaders and how their organization set up, funded, etc.

    For a contrast, I discussed the Proud Boys and laid out their national founder, his media arm and the local offshoot.

    I was interested in discussing this, so I thought I would give you a friendly poke.

    Oh by the way, on another recently discussed topic the person who was in charge of the “protest” in Los Angeles - the 4 people who were out front of the hospital that you erroneously labeled as BLM- His name is Kevin Wharton, and he is the leader of a group called the Africa Town Coalition. They explicitly state they are not part of BLM, and don’t want to be associated as they have much different views and intentions.

    I just thought you would like to know because Breitbart (where I assume you got that information) certainly won’t retract it.

    Thanks in advance
     
    @Farb -

    Not to call you out but you had quoted my post a couple of days ago and mentioned you would respond in kind the next day, you were going to bed without AC.

    In case you don’t remember this was in regards to who specifically are antifa leaders and how their organization set up, funded, etc.

    For a contrast, I discussed the Proud Boys and laid out their national founder, his media arm and the local offshoot.

    I was interested in discussing this, so I thought I would give you a friendly poke.

    Oh by the way, on another recently discussed topic the person who was in charge of the “protest” in Los Angeles - the 4 people who were out front of the hospital that you erroneously labeled as BLM- His name is Kevin Wharton, and he is the leader of a group called the Africa Town Coalition. They explicitly state they are not part of BLM, and don’t want to be associated as they have much different views and intentions.

    I just thought you would like to know because Breitbart (where I assume you got that information) certainly won’t retract it.

    Thanks in advance
    While we're at it, I would like to bump my request for a link to an article connecting the protesters to BLM.

    Unrelatedly, I sincerely hope you (@Farb) and your family were spared the worst of Hurricane Sally's wrath, and wish you the best in recovery.
     
    @Farb -

    Not to call you out but you had quoted my post a couple of days ago and mentioned you would respond in kind the next day, you were going to bed without AC.

    In case you don’t remember this was in regards to who specifically are antifa leaders and how their organization set up, funded, etc.

    For a contrast, I discussed the Proud Boys and laid out their national founder, his media arm and the local offshoot.

    I was interested in discussing this, so I thought I would give you a friendly poke.

    Oh by the way, on another recently discussed topic the person who was in charge of the “protest” in Los Angeles - the 4 people who were out front of the hospital that you erroneously labeled as BLM- His name is Kevin Wharton, and he is the leader of a group called the Africa Town Coalition. They explicitly state they are not part of BLM, and don’t want to be associated as they have much different views and intentions.

    I just thought you would like to know because Breitbart (where I assume you got that information) certainly won’t retract it.

    Thanks in advance
    I did forget, so no worries about reminding me, but it will have to be a little bit later as I am still cleaning up and trying to reopen. This small storm really kicked our arse over here. I just got internet/cable in my store, still waiting for it at home but at least I didn't lose power very long....it sucks being by a hospital (sirens ALL the time) but I do love being on the hospital power grid.
    You too @TaylorB. I will try and answer your question as well, but it looks like I might have labeled the wrong group but I don't have time to look up anything right now.
    I should be back to my annoying ways soon. Cheers
     
    Musician Tyler Childers speaks to “people like me.”




    That was spectacular.

    I have never heard anything from him before. I will tell you what I will certainly give his music a shot because I respect him as a human.

    Thanks for posting this
     
    That was truly exceptional. That young man is putting his financial success at risk to lend to the voices of millions of unheard.

    I hope his unselfish acts prove fruitful, if for only a small percentage of people take his message to heart, his act will in no small way help this country heal. He is a true American hero.

    I do not know him or his music. I have the utmost respect for him as a person and I wish him nothing but success and happiness.
     
    That was spectacular.

    I have never heard anything from him before. I will tell you what I will certainly give his music a shot because I respect him as a human.

    Thanks for posting this

    He’a talented.

    I think Jason Isbell produced his previous record.
     
    Yeah they are gonna be PISSED if when they see that message fro Mr Childers himself

    ETA- after listening to his song I can see why he felt the need to clarify his meaning. If you are someone without the ability to pick up on nuance and metaphor then you could think he was calling for a redneck revolution
     
    He’a talented.

    I think Jason Isbell produced his previous record.
    Say no more jason isbell is supremely talented. Have been impressed with him since his drive by truckers days. If he put his time producing his work speaks volumes.
     
    New DeSantis bill in Florida:
    - Guilt by association (legal conspiracy basically) if any protest more than 7 people results in property damage (all you have to have done was be in the protest, it doesn't matter if you weren't involved in the damage);
    - No liability for drivers who cause injury or death when "fleeing" from a mob;
    - RICO (this one is just funny in a sad, twisted way).




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    New DeSantis bill in Florida:
    - Guilt by association (legal conspiracy basically) if any protest more than 7 people results in property damage (all you have to have done was be in the protest, it doesn't matter if you weren't involved in the damage);
    - No liability for drivers who cause injury or death when "fleeing" from a mob;
    - RICO (this one is just funny in a sad, twisted way).




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    This is all manner of messed up. Withholding grant money if the police budget is lowered? Automatical refusal of bail? Way to be the absolute worst, Florida.
     
    I don’t think this has a prayer of being upheld. So what do communities do who need to cut their budgets due to tax shortfall, cut everything except the police? What about communities who find their population shrinking, do they have to keep a police force that’s too big forever?

    It’s a joke of a proposal. Just terrible, but so on brand.
     

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