Now is not the time to talk about gun control (2 Viewers)

[brandon]

T&P

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[DaveXA]

Say it again, but slowly.

 

[Optimus Prime]

HALF MOON BAY, Calif. (AP) — Seven people were killed in two related shootings Monday at a mushroom farm and a trucking firm in a coastal community south of San Francisco, and a suspect was in custody, officials said.

San Mateo County Board of Supervisors President Dave Pine says four people were killed at the farm and three at the trucking business on the outskirts of Half Moon Bay, a city about 30 miles (48 kilometers) south of San Francisco.

It wasn’t immediately clear how the locations were connected, though Pine said the suspect worked for one of the businesses. He called the suspect a “disgruntled worker.”…….

Official: 7 killed in two shootings in California community

HALF MOON BAY, Calif. (AP) — Seven people were killed in two related shootings Monday at a mushroom farm and a trucking firm in a coastal community south of San Francisco, and a suspect was in custody, officials said.

apnews.com

 

[brandon]

Why did assault weapons proliferate?

(The guns proliferated because of the expiration of the assault weapons ban).

 

[DaveXA]

Why did assault weapons proliferate?

(The guns proliferated because of the expiration of the assault weapons ban).

Started well before that. The sale and proliferation of guns didn't move a whole lot in the years during and after the assault weapons ban. It's steadily increased in recent years though. Assault weapons ban had little to do with that. It expired in 2014, so it had little relative effect on gun sales.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

Gun Sellers’ Message to Americans: Man Up

The number of firearms in the U.S. is outpacing the country’s population, as an emboldened gun industry and its allies target buyers with rhetoric of fear, machismo and defiance.

www.nytimes.com

An examination by The New York Times of firearms marketing research, along with legal and lobbying efforts
by gun rights groups, finds that behind the shift in gun culture is an array of interests that share a commercial and political imperative: more guns and freer access to them. Working together, gun makers, advocates and elected officials have convinced a large swath of Americans that they should have a firearm, and eased the legal path for them to do so.

Some of the research is publicly known, but by searching court filings and online archives, The Times gained new insight into how gun companies exploit the anxiety and desires of Americans. Using Madison Avenue methods, the firearms industry has sliced and diced consumer attributes to find pressure points — self-esteem, lack of trust in others, fear of losing control — useful in selling more guns.

In a paradigm-setting 2012 ad in Maxim magazine, Bushmaster — which manufactured the rifle used in the racist massacre in Buffalo in May — declared, “Consider your man card reissued.”

Bushmaster’s “man card” slogan first appeared in Maxim magazine in 2012. A rifle sold by the company was used in the Buffalo massacre this past May.

At the National Rifle Association convention in Houston last month, a Missouri-based gun maker, Black Rain Ordnance, featured a line of “BRO” semiautomatics punning on the company’s acronym: AR-15-style guns with names like BRO-Tyrant and BRO-Predator. Dozens of other vendors had similar messages.

The recurrence of mass shootings has provided reliable opportunities for the industry and its allies. Since the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School a decade ago, gun sales have almost always risen sharply in the aftermath of major shootings, as buyers snap up firearms they worry will disappear from stores.

“Drawing attention to the concern that firearm sales could be further restricted will have a great impact on anxious buyers,” a firearms industry study from 2017 advised.

At the same time, guns rights groups have pushed an aggressive legislative and court agenda. For instance, it soon will be legal to carry a hidden firearm without a permit in half the United States.
In states where pro-gun forces do not have the backing of elected officials, they have taken up the fight in other ways. The U.S. Supreme Court will soon rule on a New York case challenging a century-old law that allows local officials great discretion over who can carry a handgun, which is widely expected to turn into another gun rights victory.

 

[brandon]

Started well before that. The sale and proliferation of guns didn't move a whole lot in the years during and after the assault weapons ban. It's steadily increased in recent years though. Assault weapons ban had little to do with that. It expired in 2014, so it had little relative effect on gun sales.

The proliferation of AR-15s and the mass shootings that go with them absolutely increased after the expiration of the ban.

 

[DaveXA]

The proliferation of AR-15s and the mass shootings that go with them absolutely increased after the expiration of the ban.

We're talking past each other then because that's not what I'm referring to. Overall gun ownership did not change significantly during and shortly after the ban. There's a more recent spike that probably had more to with Covid than anything else. The number of mass shootings has increased substantially in the last 10 years, certainly. But I'd attribute that to the significant increase in guns being purchased in the last 10 years moreso than the assault weapons ban, which in all honesty didn't have that much of an effect because people still bought guns, there were tons of loopholes, and people were and remain worried (because reasons) about their guns being taken away.

Now an assault weapons ban with real teeth would have an impact, but most of the country isn't ready for that. I wish there were fewer guns out there. It is what it is.

 

[coldseat]

It is what it is.

No it is not. It's what we've made it. And we have the power to unmake it.

People are either making money off of it, just don't care enough, or are okay with the mass shootings to preserve their gun rights. Those of us that want to actually do something about it aren't enough of the population. There are no other real explanations.

 

[brandon]

The number of mass shootings has increased substantially in the last 10 years

Yes, and which gun has been the primary source of mass shootings? (yes, handguns, but also the AR-15).

the assault weapons ban, which in all honesty didn't have that much of an effect because people still bought guns, there were tons of loopholes, and people were and remain worried (because reasons) about their guns being taken away.

But they didn't buy AR-15s, which have obviously been the mass shooter's weapon of choice.

 

[DaveXA]

Yes, and which gun has been the primary source of mass shootings? (yes, handguns, but also the AR-15).


But they didn't buy AR-15s, which have obviously been the mass shooter's weapon of choice.

They bought other similar rifles that could do pretty much what the AR-15s can. If not the AR-15s it would have been some other similarly effective rifles, not to mention all of the assault rifles already in circulation before the ban went into effect. And regardless, it was, relatively speaking, window dressing. Not even a half-measure. And why there's a lot of debate about how effective the ban was. Did the ban help? Probably, how much? Marginal at best.

And to put a finer point, instead of saying AR-15, what you should say is all weapons capable of high rates of fire with high ammo capacity, or you could say AR style rifles. The are a lot of guns that can do what the AR-15 does, and even more effectively. I've fired a few guns before and the AR-15 wasn't all that great. It's just happens to be the one most people know about.

 

[DaveXA]

No it is not. It's what we've made it. And we have the power to unmake it.

People are either making money off of it, just don't care enough, or are okay with the mass shootings to preserve their gun rights. Those of us that want to actually do something about it aren't enough of the population. There are no other real explanations.

What I mean is it is what it is until it isn't. We're not close to turning that corner yet though.

 

[brandon]

If not the AR-15s it would have been some other similarly effective rifles,

Yea but it wasn’t, was it?

What mass shootings happened during the ban, what weapons did they use, and how effective were they?

Compare that to after the ban was lifted.

 

[samiam5211]

Wee 1 Tactical – Home of the JR-15

Anyone want a JR15 for their kids?

At least now elementary school kids can carry out a proper school shooting and not be limited to pistols.

At least they are trying to do something about it.

https://www.usnews.com/news/top-news/articles/2023-01-26/u-s-senate-democrats-call-for-probe-into-jr-15-child-size-rifle

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -A group of prominent Democratic U.S. senators including Majority Leader Chuck Schumer asked the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) on Thursday to open an investigation into a company they said is marketing a rifle to children.
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[Optimus Prime]

Proposed legislation from Republican lawmakers in Florida would allow residents to carry firearms in the state without a permit, a measure supported by Governor Ron DeSantisand the National Rifle Association.

A so-called “constitutional carry” movement – which has pushed for the unrestrained carrying of firearms without a license or permit – is teeing up Florida to become the 25th state with such a measure in place. It’s an idea that the governor and potential 2024 GOP presidential candidate has said he “always supported”.

Under House Bill 543 introduced by Republican House Speaker Paul Renner, who is presiding over the GOP-controlled state legislature, prospective gun owners would no longer be required to get a permit, nor would they have to fulfill a training requirement that’s currently needed to obtain a permit.

Democratic state Rep Christine Hunschofsky, who was mayor of Parkland at the time of the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School mass shooting in 2018, told reporters on 30 January that the bill “is not constitutional carry, this is untrained carry”…….

Florida Republicans want gun owners to carry firearms without a permit

The “constitutional carry” movement comes to the Sunshine State

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Optimus Prime]

Democrats say GOP reps wearing assault weapon pins ‘isn’t the flex you think it is’

AOC also had a confrontation with the chairman of the Natural Resources Committee about bringing firearms to the committee

www.independent.co.uk

 

[MT15]

Didn’t Santos claim to have known people who were killed at the Pulse nightclub shooting? Shot with the weapon he is now sporting as a jaunty lapel pin. It’s sick.

 

[BullSheetBuddha]

What an a$$

 

[Optimus Prime]

(Bloomberg) -- The decades-old US law barring domestic abusers from possessing firearms contradicts the nation’s “historical tradition” of access to guns even for people who may not be “model citizens,” an appeals court said in a ruling that prompted a Justice Department rebuke.

The statute is unconstitutional because it gives too much power to Congress to determine who qualifies as “law-abiding, responsible citizens” when it comes to gun ownership, the 5th US Circuit Court of Appeals said Thursday. A unanimous three-judge panel wondered: who’s next?

“Could speeders be stripped of their right to keep and bear arms? Political nonconformists? People who do not recycle or drive an electric vehicle?” the New Orleans-based court asked in the decision.

The ruling vacated the conviction of a Texas man, Zackey Rahimi, who pleaded guilty to violating the law by keeping a pistol at home despite being subject to a civil domestic-violence restraining order for assaulting his former girlfriend. It’s the latest fallout from a US Supreme Court ruling in June that paved the way for courts to reconsider a wide variety of gun restrictions..............

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