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    The failure comes just more than a month after the company’s seventh Starship flight also ended in an explosive failure. The back-to-back mishaps occurred in early mission phases that SpaceX has easily surpassed previously, indicating serious setbacks for a program Musk has sought to speed up this year.
     
    Hopefully it fully crashes…and Elon gets a taste of the same medicine he is dishing out to Federal employees and their families.

    So nice of you to wish financial ill on the 125.000 Tesla employees. And folks 401k’s.

    “Tesla's equity compensation strategy delivers tangible value, with employees receiving between 20-40% of their total compensation in stock-based awards. This significantly outpaces traditional automotive manufacturers, where equity typically represents less than 10% of compensation packages for comparable roles.
    Financial trading experts at Pocket Option have analyzed Tesla's compensation model against 27 comparable companies, identifying it as among the most employee-favorable in the technology-automotive sector. Their proprietary analysis shows that Tesla's stock program creates potential wealth accumulation 2.7x faster than industry averages during growth periods.”

     
    So nice of you to wish financial ill on the 125.000 Tesla employees. And folks 401k’s.

    “Tesla's equity compensation strategy delivers tangible value, with employees receiving between 20-40% of their total compensation in stock-based awards. This significantly outpaces traditional automotive manufacturers, where equity typically represents less than 10% of compensation packages for comparable roles.
    Financial trading experts at Pocket Option have analyzed Tesla's compensation model against 27 comparable companies, identifying it as among the most employee-favorable in the technology-automotive sector. Their proprietary analysis shows that Tesla's stock program creates potential wealth accumulation 2.7x faster than industry averages during growth periods.”


    Spare us your fake outrage. You've said nothing about the lives upended by Elon and the idiots at DOGE. You don't care about Tesla employees or stock, except as it impacts you.
     
    So nice of you to wish financial ill on the 125.000 Tesla employees. And folks 401k’s.

    “Tesla's equity compensation strategy delivers tangible value, with employees receiving between 20-40% of their total compensation in stock-based awards. This significantly outpaces traditional automotive manufacturers, where equity typically represents less than 10% of compensation packages for comparable roles.
    Financial trading experts at Pocket Option have analyzed Tesla's compensation model against 27 comparable companies, identifying it as among the most employee-favorable in the technology-automotive sector. Their proprietary analysis shows that Tesla's stock program creates potential wealth accumulation 2.7x faster than industry averages during growth periods.”


    And 2.7x faster in reverse when your founder and CEO is a jackleg and company experiencing negative growth. Works both ways.

    Sucks to be them. Won't get no sympathy from me after having weathered 2009 financial crisis, covid and now Trump's second term destroying the market and my 401/IRA heeding Elons advice.

    They agreed to the compensation and if they had aspirations that the stock would simply rise exponentially, that's on them. Shoulda had better financial advice.
     
    So nice of you to wish financial ill on the 125.000 Tesla employees. And folks 401k’s.

    “Tesla's equity compensation strategy delivers tangible value, with employees receiving between 20-40% of their total compensation in stock-based awards. This significantly outpaces traditional automotive manufacturers, where equity typically represents less than 10% of compensation packages for comparable roles.
    Financial trading experts at Pocket Option have analyzed Tesla's compensation model against 27 comparable companies, identifying it as among the most employee-favorable in the technology-automotive sector. Their proprietary analysis shows that Tesla's stock program creates potential wealth accumulation 2.7x faster than industry averages during growth periods.”

    If I were invested in Tesla, I would be pissed at Elon. That said, I would not celebrate or wish difficulty on Tesla as a company. It is not their fault nor the fault of their investors.
     
    So nice of you to wish financial ill on the 125.000 Tesla employees. And folks 401k’s.

    “Tesla's equity compensation strategy delivers tangible value, with employees receiving between 20-40% of their total compensation in stock-based awards. This significantly outpaces traditional automotive manufacturers, where equity typically represents less than 10% of compensation packages for comparable roles.
    Financial trading experts at Pocket Option have analyzed Tesla's compensation model against 27 comparable companies, identifying it as among the most employee-favorable in the technology-automotive sector. Their proprietary analysis shows that Tesla's stock program creates potential wealth accumulation 2.7x faster than industry averages during growth periods.”

    Fork 401k? lol, that’s rich.
     
    If I were invested in Tesla, I would be pissed at Elon. That said, I would not celebrate or wish difficulty on Tesla as a company. It is not their fault nor the fault of their investors.
    Objectively speaking and taking Elon Musk out of the discussion, Tesla stock is 80% overvalued at its current level.
     
    Spare us your fake outrage. You've said nothing about the lives upended by Elon and the idiots at DOGE. You don't care about Tesla employees or stock, except as it impacts you.
    I would add that at this point it’s irresponsible to hold Tesla stock in your 401k. And that’s been the case for over a year now.

    And yeah, Sendai is just fine with all those tens of thousands of federal public servants being treated like absolute shirt - illegally fired by being told their performance was subpar when they have had glowing performance reports, being given 10 minutes to clear out their desks and get out. Only to see Musk cavorting onstage and celebrating their firings with a chainsaw.
     
    For what it’s worth
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    Multiple Democratic lawmakers have invested in Tesla in recent months despite public criticisms of its CEO, Elon Musk, and his role in the White House leading the Department of Government Efficiency.

    Democratic Representatives Josh Gottheimer, Vicente Gonzalez and Gil Cisneros have all purchased Tesla stock since President Donald Trump’s inauguration despite repeatedly criticizing Musk’s involvement in the administration.

    New Jersey’s Gottheimer called Musk and the DOGE cuts “just pure chaos” on Sunday. He has bought and sold Tesla stock several times since Trump took office, according to his 2025 periodical financial disclosure filings.……


     
    I would add that at this point it’s irresponsible to hold Tesla stock in your 401k. And that’s been the case for over a year now.

    And yeah, Sendai is just fine with all those tens of thousands of federal public servants being treated like absolute shirt - illegally fired by being told their performance was subpar when they have had glowing performance reports, being given 10 minutes to clear out their desks and get out. Only to see Musk cavorting onstage and celebrating their firings with a chainsaw.
    I’m not fine with the current approach. Never said I was. That’s manufactured by your fevered mind.

    As I stated in a previous post

    “I support studying and evaluating the federal bureaucracy. Then planning a rational approach to improving cost and efficiency. Eliminate the unnecessary. Remove bloat.”


    And it isn’t irresponsible to own Tesla stock. Good company, good employees, good technologically advanced product that is continuously improved. Quiet. No tail pipe emissions.
     
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    I’m not fine with the current approach.
    You say that, yet you make excuses and also say things like - you are really curious about what DOGE can find / accomplish. We’re not stupid - nor do I have a “fevered mind” and I am requesting that you quit using that slur. It’s counter to the TOS. So what it comes down to is that your lip service that you don’t approve of the current approach is unsupported by the rest of your postings. It’s that simple. You just cannot hide your excitement at the dismantling of much of the federal government.

    Just answer this question: if you had the power to stop what DOGE is doing, would you stop them?

    And it isn’t irresponsible to own Tesla stock.
    It’s irresponsible to invest in a company that has Musk as the CEO. He’s emotionally and mentally unstable and has a social media presence that favors all sorts of un-democratic ideas and has stated goals that are also undemocratic. He been doing some ethically irresponsible election interference. He is directing DOGE employees to break the law. He has massive conflicts of interest in even being part of DOGE, and he is lying about nearly everything he has talked about. Maybe you think it’s okay to invest in a company that has a narcissistic sociopath as the CEO, but I think it’s irresponsible to take the risk of investing in a company with such an unstable leader. And we haven’t even touched on their negative safety record, history of covering up safety issues, massive recalls of their “truck”, and their accounting irregularities.
     
    I’m not fine with the current approach. Never said I was. That’s manufactured by your fevered mind.

    As I stated in a previous post

    “I support studying and evaluating the federal bureaucracy. Then planning a rational approach to improving cost and efficiency. Eliminate the unnecessary. Remove bloat.”


    And it isn’t irresponsible to own Tesla stock. Good company, good employees, good technologically advanced product that is continuously improved. Quiet. No tail pipe emissions.

    Several conservatives on this board were perfectly fine with boycotting companies that supported LGBTQ+ rights. For example, Target faced conservative backlash and boycotts over its Pride merchandise, and Bud Light was boycotted simply for partnering with a transgender influencer. However, now that people are boycotting a company whose CEO openly flaunts Nazi ideology, those same individuals are suddenly complaining that boycotts are "unfair" and "harm employees." If they supported boycotts when they aligned with their values, why is it a problem now?
     
    Several conservatives on this board were perfectly fine with boycotting companies that supported LGBTQ+ rights. For example, Target faced conservative backlash and boycotts over its Pride merchandise, and Bud Light was boycotted simply for partnering with a transgender influencer. However, now that people are boycotting a company whose CEO openly flaunts Nazi ideology, those same individuals are suddenly complaining that boycotts are "unfair" and "harm employees." If they supported boycotts when they aligned with their values, why is it a problem now?
    The only time I’ve seen conservatives back off a protest was against the NFL because the Trump Administration couldn’t talk themselves out about how ineffective it was.
     

    Understanding this cult requires one to rethink what one knows about finance. Financial purists like to think of financial markets as neutral arbiters that merely record the value-creating activities of entrepreneurs. Financial pragmatists understand that prices need not always reflect value, as behavioral finance has demonstrated. But what if entrepreneurs can capitalize on these dynamics to manufacture fortunes and political power?
    His messianic status, which was birthed in the explosion of social media, created a powerful cycle of outsize returns on ventures that lead to investors providing him with more and cheaper capital to diversify his empire that, in turn, attracts yet more investors fearful of missing out. Skyrocketing Tesla shares have made fans and investors so devoted that all he has to do is mention a new ambition to goad them into buying even more. And the larger the stated ambition, the more wealth and power they hand him. So why not try for Mars? The final step in this process is to consolidate power in the political sphere to ensure that the outsize ambitions can be nourished forever. If Mr. Musk had played it well, his empire might have been impregnable.

    What I find contemptible with musk fan boys and Maga is that they wholely believe every lie a charlatan tells them. They ve decided to stop thinking.

    Automotive revenues at Tesla in the fourth quarter declined 8 percent from a year earlier, profit in 2024 dropped sharply from the prior year, and 22 years after the company’s founding, it remains unclear if it can ever generate significant free cash flow for shareholders. Tesla appears to be relying more and more on price cuts — a practice that can increase sales in the short term but probably damages how much buyers value a Tesla in the future.
    Yet Tesla is valued at 100 times its revenue and worth more that the next 10 auto companies combined!!!

    The rest of the Musk empire also illustrates the gap between his business acumen and financial success. Solar City, Mr. Musk’s solar venture led by his cousin, needed to be salvaged by a controversial Tesla acquisition and has atrophied since. The Boring Company, which promises to revolutionize transportation by building high-speed hyperloops between and within cities, has raised nearly a billion dollars, yet it is unclear if it has any revenues or the prospects of profits. The possibility of revenues or profits for Neuralink, his brain implant company, seems even more remote. And of course, X, formerly Twitter, is a shell of itself economically and culturally. SpaceX is more than 20 years old, has raised an estimated $12 billion and only now is rumored to have possibly $12 billion in annual revenue, mostly from Starlink, the satellite service, though profitability may be far off.
     

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