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[Huntn]

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.

www.yahoo.com

WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?

 

[MT15]

Just caught the tail end of it but CNN played a clip of Trump saying he’d consider Tucker Carlson for VP saying that he “makes good sense”

I saw that on Twitter and went - Nah, that has to be a troll post….

 

[UriUT]

“You’re Telling Me That Thing Is Forged?”: The Inside Story of How Trump’s “Body Guy” Tried and Failed to Order a Massive Military Withdrawal

In an excerpt from his new book, Tired of Winning, Jonathan Karl reveals how officials were stunned when a presidential directive pulling troops out of Afghanistan and Somalia landed on their desk. Of course, they’d later learn that it wasn’t exactly Trump’s idea.

www.vanityfair.com

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“You’re telling me that thing is forged?” Milley responded in disbelief. “That’s a forged piece of paper directing a military operation by the president of the United States?"

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Unreal that the idiot was president. Lacks knowledge and insight in international dynamics and how the US govt operates, yet his idiot followers think he's better than Biden. He surrounds himself with incompetent sycophants, while Biden has people with real experience working on two crisis, and preparing for a third in Taiwan.

Unreal timeline. Some unknown force is experimenting how the world would work with idiots running the world.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump has suggested he would use the FBI and justice department to go after political rivals should he return to the White House next year in a move which will further stoke fears of what a second period of office for Trump could mean.

Trump made the comments during an interviewwith the Spanish-language television network Univision. The host Enrique Acevedo asked him about his flood of legal problems saying: “You say they’ve weaponized the justice department, they weaponized the FBI. Would you do the same if you’re re-elected?”

“They’ve already done it, but if they want to follow through on this, yeah, it could certainly happen in reverse,” Trump replied. “They’ve released the genie out of the box.

“When you’re president and you’ve done a good job and you’re popular, you don’t go after them so you can win an election. They’ve done indictments in order to win an election. They call it weaponization,” Trump added. “But yeah they have done something that allows the next party, I mean if somebody, if I happen to be president and I see somebody who’s doing well and beating me very badly, I say go down and indict them, mostly they would be out of business. They’d be out. They’d be out of the election.”

Prosecuting political rivals is a hallmark of authoritarian regimes and Trump’s remarks are the most candid public revelations so far of the anti-democratic power he would bring to a second term as president.

The former New Jersey governor Chris Christie, who is challenging Trump but has lagged in the polls, said the remarks were alarming. “This is outrageous,” he said on CNN on Thursday evening.

He also warned that unlike Trump’s first presidential term, there would not be lawyers and other officials around Trump to stop his most authoritarian pushes. Trump allies are already preparing an effort to install far-right attorneys in the federal government who can back up Trump’s fringe ideas.……

Trump suggests he would use FBI to go after political rivals if elected in 2024

Trump said: ‘If I happen to be president and I see somebody doing well and beating me very badly, I say go down and indict them’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Lapaz]

How close are we to Germany? Hitler had a similar popularly to Trump. He blamed Jews for the Great Depression. Trump blames anyone that doesn’t agree with him. Germany had a great army like ours. Could we have another world war where the U.S. would fight the other Western democracies?

https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/before-the-extermination/the-popularity-of-the-nazis/

 

[MT15]

Scary:

 

[fooferdoggie]

Scary:

so what does he think is destroy? I guess he has missed al the damage his deranged rants have caused. so if the right does it are they immune?

 

[MT15]

Ronna showing her moral cowardice. I didn‘t see the rest of the clip - so if anyone did maybe they can let me know. I would like to think there were follow-up questions: Is a post supposedly honoring veterans a “campaign message” Ronna? And are those veterans who didn’t vote for Trump the “vermin” he is talking about?

 

[Lapaz]

Ronna showing her moral cowardice. I didn‘t see the rest of the clip - so if anyone did maybe they can let me know. I would like to think there were follow-up questions: Is a post supposedly honoring veterans a “campaign message” Ronna? And are those veterans who didn’t vote for Trump the “vermin” he is talking about?

He only supports veterans that were never captured, snd if they agree with him. McDaniels is right that the situation is grave. Ironically, it’s grave because Trump wants to use our Democratic system to put in place an undemocratic system to get into power again, and this time never relinquish it. We seem to be on a path to repeat Germany’s history.

 

[Optimus Prime]

Michael Luttig knows the eye of the storm. On the night of 4 January 2021, the retired federal judge advised Mike Pence, the vice-president, against trying to overturn the results of the presidential election.

Last year on live television he delivered compelling testimony to the congressional panel investigating the January 6 insurrection.

Now, with less than a year until the nation goes back to the polls, Luttig recognises that the battle to save the American republic from the demagoguery of Donald Trump is far from over – and he is more worried than ever before.

“I am more worried for America today than I was on January 6,” he warns in a phone interview with the Guardian.

“For all the reasons that we know, his election would be catastrophic for America’s democracy.”……

‘I’m more worried today than I was on January 6’: top conservative’s warning to America

Retired judge Michael Luttig is battling to stop a Trump victory – which he says would be ‘catastrophic for America’s democracy’

www.theguardian.com

 

[Optimus Prime]

Donald Trump has vowed, repeatedly, to weaponize state power against his political enemies if granted a second term.


Voters should take him at his word, for two reasons:

First, he tried to do this before, marshaling government might against individuals, demographic groups and specific businesses. He was constrained only by courts and uncooperative aides.

Second, he’s assembling the infrastructure necessary to clear these obstacles next time.


In recent remarks, the former president has pledged to pulverize his opponents if he reenters the Oval Office. During an interview last week on Univision, for instance, he spoke of deploying the FBI and the rest of the Justice Department against political rivals in retaliation for their alleged persecution of him.

“If I happen to be president, and I see somebody who’s doing well and beating me very badly, I say, ‘Go down and indict them,’” he said. “They’d be out of business. They’d be out of the election.”


A few days later, in a Veterans Day address, he vowed as president to “root out the communists, Marxists, fascist and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country.”

This was no heat-of-the-moment slip; he blasted out the same phrasing on social media, too.


This rhetoric would be horrifying even if one didn’t interpret it literally, given the history of authoritarian leaders who have compared disfavored groups to “vermin.” And it can be genuinely hard to know whether it’s useful to amplify such ugliness, since Trump thrives on attention.

But voters deserve to know what Trump intends to accomplish in a second term. These words are not idle threats or “locker-room talk.” They are campaign promises and should be treated as such……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/13/trump-threaten-punish-enemies-president/

 

[Lapaz]

Donald Trump has vowed, repeatedly, to weaponize state power against his political enemies if granted a second term.


Voters should take him at his word, for two reasons:

First, he tried to do this before, marshaling government might against individuals, demographic groups and specific businesses. He was constrained only by courts and uncooperative aides.

Second, he’s assembling the infrastructure necessary to clear these obstacles next time.


In recent remarks, the former president has pledged to pulverize his opponents if he reenters the Oval Office. During an interview last week on Univision, for instance, he spoke of deploying the FBI and the rest of the Justice Department against political rivals in retaliation for their alleged persecution of him.

“If I happen to be president, and I see somebody who’s doing well and beating me very badly, I say, ‘Go down and indict them,’” he said. “They’d be out of business. They’d be out of the election.”


A few days later, in a Veterans Day address, he vowed as president to “root out the communists, Marxists, fascist and the radical-left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country.”

This was no heat-of-the-moment slip; he blasted out the same phrasing on social media, too.


This rhetoric would be horrifying even if one didn’t interpret it literally, given the history of authoritarian leaders who have compared disfavored groups to “vermin.” And it can be genuinely hard to know whether it’s useful to amplify such ugliness, since Trump thrives on attention.

But voters deserve to know what Trump intends to accomplish in a second term. These words are not idle threats or “locker-room talk.” They are campaign promises and should be treated as such……

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2023/11/13/trump-threaten-punish-enemies-president/

PBS had a guest from NYU on today, and she noted that Trump is desensitizing people to violence, and dehumanizing people. She noted that is what autocrats and fascists do. Republicans are starting to try to convince people that elections aren't even needed. She wrote the book "Strongman", and she noted that this is the playbook. Trump is becoming increasingly more dangerous.

 

[MT15]

Trump seems to still think he could somehow be reinstated as President before the next election. Let that sink in.

 

[Lapaz]

Trump seems to still think he could somehow be reinstated as President before the next election. Let that sink in.

I guess he's hoping he can be reinstated as president before any of the trials so he can have them dismissed. Trump is such a scumbag.

 

[brandon]

PBS had a guest from NYU on today, and she noted that Trump is desensitizing people to violence, and dehumanizing people. She noted that is what autocrats and fascists do.

We were pointing this out like 7 years ago in the 2016 campaign.

 

[efil4]

We were pointing this out like 7 years ago in the 2016 campaign.

ABSOLUTLEY DID

on old Poli board on SR.com

Said the exact words- he is normalizing hate.

 

[Optimus Prime]

and if a Trump victory ends up just as bad as some say some who voted for him will say "I didn't know", "If only I had known", "There was no warning this could happen", "I can't believe this happened"

 

[Optimus Prime]

Have you ever heard the theory that our reality and our existence is just a computer simulation?

Sometimes Trump feels like some sort or cosmic prank or evil social experiment to see just how much people will accept and defend, whoever’s running keeps making it worse and worse but people just keep on accepting and defending

 

[Optimus Prime]

interesting article and a comparison i never would have thought of
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It’s 1988, I’m 12 and Washington, D.C., is losing the crack war. Mayor Marion Barry hasn’t walked into the Vista hotel, yet — in fact, he’s talking to kids at Lincoln Jr. High School where my mother teaches English. He’s sweating so much that he’s got a hand towel on his shoulder and is using it to wipe the moisture from his forehead. It’s all my mother and the other teachers could talk about. I would hear about it as soon as I got home: how Mayor Barry was supposed to be speaking to the kids, but the kids were all talking about how he was sweating.

Because when you’ve watched a city devastated by drugs, you are familiar with the sweats. And the scratching. And the nod. It was all symbolic of addiction.
During the 1980s, it was impossible to throw a stone and not hit someone who was either struggling with addiction or had a family member who was a victim of crack. D.C. was “The Walking Dead” before we knew what a zombie apocalypse looked like.

So no one in D.C. who had seen their family or friend’s family destroyed by crack was surprised by the news that Barry was caught in a hotel room smoking rock two years later in 1990. We knew he had a problem. Everyone did. It was a bizarre normal. Barry being an addict didn’t move the needle for those living in the city during this time. In fact, it humanized him. It endeared him to people who believed that if the “birch” was the government, then she’d also set us up, too.

So it’s no surprise that as more information pours out about former President Donald Trump and his brood that his supporters are growing stronger in force. It’s what happens when a prophet is demonized; his followers believe not only in his rise to power, but in the power of his teachings. Doesn’t matter that a potato could be a better president or that Trump is likely going to jail (shut up, I’m dreaming here), those who love him love him recklessly and with abandon — as I did with Mayor Marion Barry...........

So the news of Barry smoking crack didn’t make me hate him. It made me empathetic to his struggle. It humanized just how far up the ladder this epidemic had gone. Most important, it confirmed the one thing that Chocolate City believed before his arrest: that the government was just as corrupt as we believed it to be.

That’s where Trump followers come in. For years, Trump’s been selling one tenet that has become the spine of his success: See the world as I see it, and if anyone tries to tell you differently, they are not to be believed. He spent his candidacy and the majority of his presidency attacking the validity of mainstream media. Whenever anyone tried to point out that the then-president was lying, he’d go on the offense to attack the report.

But there was a pivot in Trump’s mission to subjugate mainstream media outlets. He began claiming that they were not only against him, but were actively trying to “rig” the 2020 election. He claimed that the media was a part of a political “witch hunt” to keep him from being reelected.

This not-so-subtle attack is what led to the mayo-infused insurrection on Jan. 6, 2021. And it’s not just because Trump lied. It’s because his followers believed in him so much that they couldn’t see the truth. And as such, they became political pawns in a game of pixelated chess.

Belief is a powerful drug. I know because I used to be hooked on it. I was a full-fledged member of the “Marion Barry was a political prisoner” crowd during his six-month stay in federal prison. I was elated when he was elected to the D.C. Council upon his release in 1992. I was speechless in 1994 when he was reelected mayor. And I was saddened by his death in 2014, despite being a full-on adult with bills in my name by then.

Yes, I knew that Barry was under investigation in 1984 and that he reportedly paid a woman $20,000 to $25,000 to withhold information from a federal grand jury. Yes, I’d heard that the Vista sting wasn’t a setup not to get the then-mayor to smoke crack but actually a plot to kill him. Yes, I knew that the majority of his political work was rife with scandal. But guess what? I didn’t care.................

So no one had to tell me that the news was fake when it attacked Barry. I already knew it was. Not that the media was necessarily making up stories, but I knew corruption and politics aren’t just bedfellows, they’re cousins. Barry was being unfairly targeted by a corrupt task force that had criminalized crack for both those who sold it and those who smoked it.

Crack smokers and sellers got mandatory five-year sentences for what amounted to a misdemeanor with the same amount of powder cocaine. If you have trouble understanding the uneven penalties for similar drug use, just know this: white people snorted cocaine, Black people used crack. But two things were true both then and now: Barry was a flawed man who was attacked by a flawed system. What white D.C. residents could never understand is that because of his flaws, Barry was one of us. He was the people’s champ and D.C.’s mayor for life.

Trump’s ability to win over his constituents lies not only in their shared racist, misogynist and xenophobic views, but also in his trumped-up (pun intended) wealth. Despite the common misconception that Trump voters are all hard-working middle-class Americans (a bit that’s played up during his countless rallies), Trump supporters are actually just well-off Republicans..........

Opinion: D.C.’s Belief In Mayor Marion Barry Was ‘Magic,’ Just Like GOP Voters’ Belief In Trump

The difference between the flawed former mayor of Washington, D.C., and the feckless former president is vast, but I understand Trump's cultlike following because I used to love Marion Barry.

www.huffpost.com