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    Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'​

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    Anxiety surges as Donald Trump may be indicted soon: Why 2024 is 'the final battle' and 'the big one'

    Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the 2024 election.
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    WASHINGTON – It looks like American politics is entering a new age of anxiety, triggered by an unprecedented legal development: The potential indictment of a former president and current presidential candidate.

    Donald Trump's many legal problems – and calls for protests by his followers – have generated new fears of political violence and anxiety about the unknowable impact all this will have on the already-tense 2024 presidential election

    I’ll reframe this is a more accurate way, Are Presidents above the law? This new age was spurred into existence when home grown dummies elected a corrupt, mentally ill, anti-democratic, would be dictator as President and don’t bother to hold him responsible for his crimes, don’t want to because in the ensuing mayhem and destruction, they think they will be better off. The man is actually advocating violence (not the first time). And btw, screw democracy too. If this feeling spreads, we are In deep shirt.

    This goes beyond one treasonous Peice of work and out to all his minions. This is on you or should we be sympathetic to the idea of they can’t help being selfish suckers to the Nation’s detriment? Donald Trump is the single largest individual threat to our democracy and it‘s all going to boil down to will the majority of the GOP return to his embrace and start slinging his excrement to support him?
     
    MT15 said:
    I guess yesterday Trump said that Obama was still president again, and tonight he says Nikki Haley was in charge of security at the Capitol on Jan 6. If Biden did this, the press would lose their minds. They won’t even mention it.

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    I bet Haley doesn't drop out now. She already had a strong case to stay incase he can't delay/dodge all 90+ indictments. Maybe it's Donald who doesn't want to debate because it will expose his cognitive decline?
     
    MT15 said:
    Nobody calls it “clime”. Nobody.

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    He reading from teleprompter. I bet they "shorthand" certain words and he is no longer quick enough to recognize the shorthand. So he simply says what he reads.

    There is a Ron Burgundy opportunity here that no one sees.
     
    This thread is certainly sobering. It cannot be denied that Trump is often incoherent. He just doesn’t make sense. Why do people support a man who cannot clearly express his thoughts?







    What we have seen is a real-time demonstration of how easy it is to completely hoodwink a certain segment of our population. It was and is alarming.

    There’s more to read in his thread. It’s a good read.
     
    Bill Clinton once explained the nation’s two political parties by saying that Democrats want to fall in love while Republicans want to fall in line.

    That adage has not withstood the Trump era. Today, it is Republicans who are besotted.

    Donald J. Trump’s decisive victory in Iowa revealed a new depth to the reservoir of devotion inside his party. For eight years, he has nurtured a relationship with his supporters with little precedent in politics. He validates them, he entertains them, he speaks for them and he uses them for his political and legal advantage.

    This connection — a hard-earned bond for some, a cult of personality to others — has unleashed one of the most durable forces in American politics.

    Iowa Republicans, following the lead of party officials across the country, rallied behind the former president despite a list of reasons to reject him. Republicans lost control of the presidency, the Senate and the House during his four years in office. He failed to deliver the red wave of victories he promised in the 2022 midterms. He has been charged with 91 felonies in four criminal cases this past year.

    And they stayed with him even as they were offered viable alternatives: Gov. Ron DeSantis of Florida, a popular young governor who embraced Mr. Trump’s policies, and Nikki Haley, one of the Deep South’s first female governors, who credibly promised she could win back voters Mr. Trump drove away.

    Yet in the first chance Americans had to cast judgment on Mr. Trump since he tried to overthrow an election, many Iowa Republicans made clear they don’t judge him. They adore him.

    “Trump is not a candidate, he’s the leader of a national movement,” said Newt Gingrich, a former House speaker who has advised Mr. Trump. “No one has come to grips with what’s it like to take on the champion of a movement. That’s why even as all these legal issues pile up, it just infuriates his movement and increases their anger unbelievably.”

    The risks associated with the kind of unusually strong hold Mr. Trump maintains on the party have already emerged.

    He has encouraged supporters to view him as above fault or defeat, a mindset that can lead to the kind of political violence that shocked the nation during the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021. Elevating charisma over character can open the door to the kind of authoritarianism that Mr. Trump has promised on the campaign trail this past year.

    “A lot of the people that support Donald Trump really are fed up with democracy, representative democracy, they think that an authoritarian-style government would probably be preferable at this point, in order to save the nation or whatever,” said former Representative Charles Bass, a New Hampshire Republican who previously voted for Mr. Trump, but said he would not do so again. “I don’t think they feel threatened by having somebody who at least has the trappings of being more authoritarian than past presidents.”

    Although Mr. Trump’s win was resounding, the Iowa results suggest the party remains deeply divided over his return to power. Roughly half of Iowa Republicans voted for one of Mr. Trump’s rivals, including about 20 percent who backed Mr. DeSantis, who finished in second, with Ms. Haley close behind.……


    www.nytimes.com

    The Most Durable Force in American Politics: Trump’s Ties to His Voters

    If Donald Trump’s rivals want to stop his rise, they’ll need to break his bond with his supporters. They didn’t come close in Iowa.
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    I’ve said before, a large percentage of these people will not just pivot to Haley or anyone else if Trump is not the nominee
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    NEWTON, N.H. — Sel Mize was just starting to walk again after a bad fall that hurt his hip and sent him to the hospital. But Donald Trump was coming to town, and he and his girlfriend weren’t going to miss it.

    He got to the Atkinson Country Club around 10 a.m. to wait in line outside in the snow, dressed in shorts, his hip still tormenting him. “Mega, mega pain,” the 59-year-old said. Trump was late and didn’t speak until about 7 p.m., but it was worth it, Mize said.

    Back at his home in Newton — where an American flag with Trump’s face hangs in the front yard, with the words, “NEVER SURRENDER” — Mize described a dark mood among Trump die-hards, with some people burying their guns for fear the government might take them.

    “I just hope he gets back to help the country because right now, the way it’s coming, there’s gonna probably be a civil war,” Mize said.

    Trump, a former president who is facing 91 criminal charges across four criminal indictments, is closing in on a second straight dominant victory in New Hampshire on Tuesday, polls show, a win that many Republicans say could effectively end the GOP nominating contest as quickly as it started. He is in that position due to support among Republicans that is not just broad but remarkably intense.

    Voters have proved far more loyal to the former president than his Republican critics hoped at the beginning of last year, allergic to criticisms of his record and behavior — including what prosecutors say is evidence of criminal wrongdoing — and rushing to his side in the face of legal jeopardy.

    And Trump has trounced GOP rivals offering similar policy agendas, boosted by a fervent base that treats him with singular veneration.

    Rallygoers wait all day to see him. Supporters dismiss video evidence of his inconsistencies and echo his grievances and falsehoods. Competitors have long written off as much as a third of the GOP electorate as set on Trump and utterly unpersuadable.

    A majority of Republicans believe Trump’s disproven claims that he actually beat Joe Biden in 2020, and in interviews, some Trump supporters appeared unwilling to accept a loss in 2024. In Trump, many see a movement leader giving voice to their struggles and settling scores on their behalf.


    That fealty to Trump has alarmed some in the GOP and beyond. Researchers at the University of Chicago have found that, amid sinking trust in democratic institutions, millions of Americans believe “the use of force” is justified to prevent Trump’s prosecution and to return him to the White House.

    Such “radical” support for Trump is on the rise, said political science professor Robert Pape, who directs the group behind the surveys.

    Many people who study political violence are worried about a 2024 repeat of the kind of chaos that unfolded on Jan. 6, 2021, when a pro-Trump mob stormed the U.S. Capitol in outrage over Trump’s loss.……




     
    efil4 said:
    He reading from teleprompter. I bet they "shorthand" certain words and he is no longer quick enough to recognize the shorthand. So he simply says what he reads.

    There is a Ron Burgundy opportunity here that no one sees.
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    I don’t think they would shorthand anything for him, knowing how stupid he is. I’m guessing he just isn’t a good reader, and doesn’t understand what he’s reading most of the time.
     
    On Wednesday, speaking from the World Economic Forum’s confab in Davos, Switzerland, Jamie Dimon – chair and CEO of JPMorgan Chase, the largest and most profitable bank in the United States, and one of the most influential CEOs in the world – heaped praise on Donald Trump’s policies while president.

    “Take a step back, be honest,” Dimon said. Trump “was kind of right about Nato, kind of right on immigration. He grew the economy quite well. Tax reform worked. He was right about some of China. He wasn’t wrong about some of these critical issues.”

    What?

    Mr Dimon, take a step back, be honest.

    Kind of right about Nato?Trump wanted the US to withdraw from Nato – and may get his way if he becomes president again. This would open Europe further to Putin’s aggression.

    Kind of right on immigration? Even the conservative Cato Institute found that Trump reduced legal immigration but not illegal immigration. Trump refused to grant legal status to children of immigrants born in the United States or who grew up in the US. He banned Muslims from the US, and when the Muslim ban was found to be unconstitutional, banned people from Muslim countries. He fueled the flames of nativism by describing poorer nations as “shirtholes” and has used terms redolent of Nazism to describe foreigners as “poisoning the blood” of Americans.

    Grew the economy quite well? In fact, under Trump the economy lost 2.9m jobs. Even before the pandemic, job growth was slower than it has been under Biden. The unemployment rate increased by 1.6 percentage points to 6.3%. The international trade deficit that Trump promised to reduce went up. The US trade deficit in goods and services in 2020 was the highest since 2008 and increased 40.5% from 2016. The number of Americans lacking health insurance rose by 3 million. The federal debt held by the public went up, from $14.4tn to $21.6tn.

    Tax reform worked? Trump’s tax cut conferred most of its benefits on big corporations and the rich, while enlarging the budget deficit. Giant banks and financial services companies got huge gains based on the new, lower corporate rate (21%), as well as the more preferable tax treatment of pass-through companies.

    If not for the Trump cuts – along with the Bush tax cuts and their extensions – federal revenues would keep pace with federal spending indefinitely, and the ratio of the debt to the national economy would be declining.

    Instead, these tax cuts have added $10tn to the debt since their enactment and are responsible for 57% of the increase in the debt ratio since 2001, and more than 90% of the increase in the debt ratio if the one-time costs of bills responding to Covid-19 and the Great Recession are excluded. Eventually, the tax cuts are projected to grow to more than 100% of the increase.……

    Why is Jamie Dimon – the most influential CEO in America – spouting these talking points in favor of Trump?

    Because he thinks Trump has a good chance of becoming president, and Dimon wants to be in his good graces.

    Asked which candidate would be better for his business, Dimon said: “I have to be prepared for both. I will be prepared for both. We will deal with both.”

    Dimon knows that his support for Nikki Haley irked Trump.

    “Highly overrated Globalist Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMORGAN, is quietly pushing another non-MAGA person, Nikki Haley, for President,” Trump said in a post on Truth Social in late November. “I’ve never been a big Jamie Dimon fan, but had to live with this guy when he came begging to the White House. I guess I don’t have to live with him anymore, and that’s a really good thing.”

    So now, Dimon – like Republican lawmakers across the US, like too many other leaders of American institutions – feels it necessary to cave into the integrity-crushing intimidation of a Trump administration, and lick Trump’s backside.……..

    www.theguardian.com

    Jamie Dimon thinks Trump was ‘kind of right’ about a lot of things. What? | Robert Reich

    The CEO of JPMorgan Chase, America’s largest and most powerful bank, is defending Trump’s record. This is absurd
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    First explanation I’ve seen for “de-bank”. Basically he wants to force corporations to associate themselves with white supremacists and/or Nazis? But freedom! Or something….

     
    Optimus Prime said:
    I’ve said before, a large percentage of these people will not just pivot to Haley or anyone else if Trump is not the nominee
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    “I just hope he gets back to help the country because right now, the way it’s coming, there’s gonna probably be a civil war,” Mize said.

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    Because without Trump as CiC, Mize and Co. will lose said war. With him, they stand a chance of winning.

    We put a lot of faith in an individual soldier's duty to disobey unlawful orders when A: they may or may not know they're unlawful and B: they've been drilled to a fare-thee-well to OBEY any order given.
     
    Trump isn’t really a populist. It’s so sad that people are taken in by his con. He’s using populism to get ordinary people to vote for him. He really only cares about wealth, his first for sure, but then the future oligarchs he wants to establish in the manner of Putin, or other dictators.

     
    Just cannot be bothered to make the tiniest effort to learn how to pronounce the name of someone who is embarrassing herself with her slavish support.

     

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