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[SaintForLife]

I figured we needed a thread specifically about the media.

There was a very big correction recently by the Washington Post.


That story was supposedly "independently confirmed" by CNN, NBC News, USA Today, ABC News, & PBS News Hour. How could they all have gotten the quote wrong if they actually independently confirmed the story?






Why do all the errors always go in one political direction and not closer to 50/50?

 

[UriUT]

It’s been pointed out 2-3 times that Russia routinely commits acts of sabotage and sometimes atrocities themselves and then blames them on others. Yet, SFL, you keep rejecting that and repeating that nobody has shown why Russia would do it. It’s in their playbook, they’ve done it repeatedly in the past, they are doing it during the Ukraine War.

Your affinity for Russian propaganda is uncanny.

Right? You just reminded me of the wagner group mass killing...memory is failing me...in an African country. They then dropped them in mass graves near a former French base with the intention of blaming the French. And it would ve worked too had it not been those pesky kids...ugh...french drones videoing everything.

 

[MT15]

Russia ships were recorded in the area? Did the US government say that in an official capacity or did some unnamed intelligence officials report that?

Can you list even one reason why Russia would blow up their only leverage play again Europe? I haven't heard one yet. Wouldn't it make more sense for Russia to have blown up the 2 new pipelines in that area?

They wanted to look like the victims. They do this stuff all the time.

 

[bird]

How about American oil companies stop selling crude and refined products overseas? How about they use the drilling leases they own?

 

[MT15]

Drilling has more than doubled in the last 2 years. It’s refinery capacity that is the bottleneck. But it’s not because Biden administration is stopping it. It’s just economic reality.

 

[SaintForLife]

It’s been pointed out 2-3 times that Russia routinely commits acts of sabotage and sometimes atrocities themselves and then blames them on others. Yet, SFL, you keep rejecting that and repeating that nobody has shown why Russia would do it. It’s in their playbook, they’ve done it repeatedly in the past, they are doing it during the Ukraine War.

Your affinity for Russian propaganda is uncanny.

Yet you haven't mentioned any of the supposedly plausible reasons why Russia would blow up their own pipeline. Those things that Russia did in the past aren't the same as this situation. You guys tell me that all the time.

 

[MT15]

How are they not the same?

 

[UriUT]

They wanted to look like the victims. They do this stuff all the time.

I've brought up this battle of khasam in syria before when the US inflicted at least 500 casualties on the Russians. I believe it was Mathis that called his counterpart in Russia before the battle of khasam warning them that they should not engage the US. Of course the Russians denied that that Wagner grp that amassed tanks and some 1000 men were theirs. Well what I read recently was they did it again! They amassed a concentrated group for another assault on a another US base and again Mathis called and warned them. But this time, they dispersed. That's Russian mentality apparently. And now we know that the corruption has hollowed out what fighting ability they had. That's Putin's Russia. Everyone steals and at every level. Report glowing status and even the US IC would believe it. That is what the Tuckers of the world wants the US to be.

 

[SaintForLife]

Just because you don't think a source is Russian doesnt mean it doesnt have Russian origins. Who do you think Michael Tracey is? And folks with similar backgrounds. You are peddling Russian disinformation without even knowing it. What do you think this whole pipeline issue is about? You instantly bought into the us did it bc of biden's tough talk a long time ago? Or rather you already have a confirmation bias? At this point no ones knows for sure who did it. The US has zero benefit from this. The Europeans have already started to phase out Russian dependence and the schedule is sometimes at the end of this year. However the Russians had a contractual obligation still with a large penalty. Now it no longer does. Europe cant build up stores for the winter through nord and Russia doesnt pay a dime. Convenient right?

The US arent saints. They staged a coup in Iran with the help of the brits bc BP didn't like that the Iranians wanted their fair share. The US also staged election interference in Italy because they feared Communism. But you know whats different? The US has mechanism to question the illegalities we do. We may even from time to time get an Iraq invasion. But least we question our mistakes and try to remedy it successful or not. We will live with our hypocrisy from the Iraqi invasion but we re not lying about it now.

Where as Russia lies as a modus operandi. He begins the war using NATO as the catalyst. Putin claims that ukraine isnt a real nation nor culture. Now he has moved virtually all defenses from the baltic borders that if any of those nations wants to take moscow and st Petersburg it will be a question of how many hours and who gets there first. And just the other day he says he always respected ukrainian culture. Its a load of crap and you buy into every time. From the US coup in Ukraine to Chechnya, Moldova, Georgia and to this flaming garbage. They lie every time.

The most tragic thing though, you want this all to be true because you hate the US just that much. Where we may be hypocrites sometimes....you see Russian boots standing over obvious human rights atrocities and point to the US to say that we are the real criminals.

Ps...where are the real proof that we staged the coup in Ukraine? Have you seen all these videos from the orange revolutions and the maidan? Do you have that little respect for their pursuit of self determination and despise the US nefarious web of world domination to ignore all that? Or perhaps people like tracey, greenwald, musk, etc are just flat wrong about what Ukrainians want? After all they are dying for their cause. At the least respect their sacrifice.

Michael Tracey is a Russian source? What's that claim based on? The fact that he questions the corporate media narratives?

The US gets no benefit from the pipeline being blown up? Not quite. Let's hear the benefits straight from Secretary Blinken


Europe has a looming energy crisis due to their reliance on Russian oil. It's a shame Germany shut down their nuclear power plants because that cause their increased dependence on Russia oil. Germany shouldnt have listened to the environmentalists and should have kept their nuclear plants.

People in Poland are burning garbage, and Romania is capping firewood prices as desperation grows amid Europe's energy crisis

The Romanian government set a price cap on firewood of 400 lei ($80) per cubic meter and 2,000 lei per ton of wood pellets.

news.yahoo.com

The US has mechanisms to question illegalities? Where have they been because I have seen zero accountability for all the carnage we have caused though our wars. The CIA doesn't have anything controlling what they do. There's no true oversight of the CIA.

What about the US contining to supply Saudi Arabia with weapons for their continued genocide in Yemen? Why don't we see anything on the news or anything in the New York Times or Washington Post about the genocide in Yemen? It's almost like the corporate media purposely doesn't cover it.

Putin lies all the time and so does the US. They have constantly lied about the proxy war they have been waging with Ukraine against Russia back when they pushed the coup in 2014. We've been meddling there for a while.



I don't buy into anything Putin says.

Do you hear how you sound? I hate the US because I talk about the bad things the US does around the world? Thats beyond ridiculous. I love the US, but I don't like most of our leaders and our foreign policy. Obviously you are in denial about everything the US does in foreign policy that causes all kinds of harm. Keep your head in the sand if you want.

What kind of proof are you talking about the coup in Ukraine in 2014? I'm guessing anything I would cite would be dismissed by you.

 

[CoolBrees]

I’m going to need you all to sit down.

This is going to come as a shock

U.S. podcasters spread Kremlin narratives on Nord Stream sabotage | Brookings

Popular American podcasters helped spread the narrative that the United States was responsible for explosions targeting gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea.

www.brookings.edu

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

I’m going to need you all to sit down.

This is going to come as a shock

U.S. podcasters spread Kremlin narratives on Nord Stream sabotage | Brookings

Popular American podcasters helped spread the narrative that the United States was responsible for explosions targeting gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea.

www.brookings.edu

You don't say?


/s

 

[MT15]

Michael Tracey is a Russian source? What's that claim based on? The fact that he questions the corporate media narratives?

The US gets no benefit from the pipeline being blown up? Not quite. Let's hear the benefits straight from Secretary Blinken


Europe has a looming energy crisis due to their reliance on Russian oil. It's a shame Germany shut down their nuclear power plants because that cause their increased dependence on Russia oil. Germany shouldnt have listened to the environmentalists and should have kept their nuclear plants.

People in Poland are burning garbage, and Romania is capping firewood prices as desperation grows amid Europe's energy crisis

The Romanian government set a price cap on firewood of 400 lei ($80) per cubic meter and 2,000 lei per ton of wood pellets.

news.yahoo.com

The US has mechanisms to question illegalities? Where have they been because I have seen zero accountability for all the carnage we have caused though our wars. The CIA doesn't have anything controlling what they do. There's no true oversight of the CIA.

What about the US contining to supply Saudi Arabia with weapons for their continued genocide in Yemen? Why don't we see anything on the news or anything in the New York Times or Washington Post about the genocide in Yemen? It's almost like the corporate media purposely doesn't cover it.

Putin lies all the time and so does the US. They have constantly lied about the proxy war they have been waging with Ukraine against Russia back when they pushed the coup in 2014. We've been meddling there for a while.



I don't buy into anything Putin says.

Do you hear how you sound? I hate the US because I talk about the bad things the US does around the world? Thats beyond ridiculous. I love the US, but I don't like most of our leaders and our foreign policy. Obviously you are in denial about everything the US does in foreign policy that causes all kinds of harm. Keep your head in the sand if you want.

What kind of proof are you talking about the coup in Ukraine in 2014? I'm guessing anything I would cite would be dismissed by you.

Dude, you posted tweets from a guy who quoted Pravda to back up his claims. Come on, we can see what you’re doing.

 

[UriUT]

Michael Tracey is a Russian source? What's that claim based on? The fact that he questions the corporate media narratives?

The US gets no benefit from the pipeline being blown up? Not quite. Let's hear the benefits straight from Secretary Blinken


Europe has a looming energy crisis due to their reliance on Russian oil. It's a shame Germany shut down their nuclear power plants because that cause their increased dependence on Russia oil. Germany shouldnt have listened to the environmentalists and should have kept their nuclear plants.

People in Poland are burning garbage, and Romania is capping firewood prices as desperation grows amid Europe's energy crisis

The Romanian government set a price cap on firewood of 400 lei ($80) per cubic meter and 2,000 lei per ton of wood pellets.

news.yahoo.com

The US has mechanisms to question illegalities? Where have they been because I have seen zero accountability for all the carnage we have caused though our wars. The CIA doesn't have anything controlling what they do. There's no true oversight of the CIA.

What about the US contining to supply Saudi Arabia with weapons for their continued genocide in Yemen? Why don't we see anything on the news or anything in the New York Times or Washington Post about the genocide in Yemen? It's almost like the corporate media purposely doesn't cover it.

Putin lies all the time and so does the US. They have constantly lied about the proxy war they have been waging with Ukraine against Russia back when they pushed the coup in 2014. We've been meddling there for a while.



I don't buy into anything Putin says.

Do you hear how you sound? I hate the US because I talk about the bad things the US does around the world? Thats beyond ridiculous. I love the US, but I don't like most of our leaders and our foreign policy. Obviously you are in denial about everything the US does in foreign policy that causes all kinds of harm. Keep your head in the sand if you want.

What kind of proof are you talking about the coup in Ukraine in 2014? I'm guessing anything I would cite would be dismissed by you.

Did you listen to that Blinken clip? Hint, it's nothing like what that person "quoted". A few seconds in Blinken stated that Nord wasn't even operational because Russia weaponized energy. And somehow that is your evidence that the US benefited????

Ok so there isn't definitive proof that Tracey has hard links to the Kremlin. However, when a person parrots exactly what Moscow wants the world to hear, one has to wonder if he is on the payroll or is simply a useful idiot. For example, he has denied Bucha. His twitter feeds are unbearable conspiracy theories or just simple fact denials. Which makes it easy to believe for someone who cannot even understand that the Maidan was organic. You've ignored written reports from outside observers. You've dismissed accounts from Ukrainians. How about you watch any documentaries on the Orange Revolution or the Maidan. No matter how nefarious the CIA is, they cannot convince regular people to take bullets and risk their lives for a cause. Your denials are [baseless], conspiracy driven and is an insult to those that died and were beaten bloodied. So yeah I will dismiss anything you present because they will not be reality based. Soon you'll come out to believe what's happening in Iran as some US plot....

As far guard rails, go read up on the War Powers Act, congressional oversight, or even Fisa. Look up the Iran Contra or even lately the extortion of Zelensky. Some may not have the severity that they deserve since ultimately the system is political. But that doesn't mean we lack guardrails.

And I'll end with this. If the US and Putin lies, why then would you automatically take Putin's side? He's a liar after all...as you've made clear. Wouldn't one question both claims equally? Nope. You believe in this as you've believed that the Maidan was a US coup. Sounds suspiciously like someone is parroting Moscow propaganda.

[edited for a better word]

 

[UriUT]

I’m going to need you all to sit down.

This is going to come as a shock

U.S. podcasters spread Kremlin narratives on Nord Stream sabotage | Brookings

Popular American podcasters helped spread the narrative that the United States was responsible for explosions targeting gas pipelines in the Baltic Sea.

www.brookings.edu

No!!!!!! Tell me this cannot be!!!!!!

 

[MT15]

 

[MT15]

Also-WaPo ran a story on the Yemen genocide in June of this year, the NYT in September. The BBC did in March. It’s not on the top of the news cycle, but it is being covered. Various human rights groups have it on their home pages, Al Jazeera covers it more extensively, which makes sense.

Always seeing a conspiracy. It’s a rotten way to go through life.

 

[Optimus Prime]

On Fox News, where “White Lives Matter” seems to be worth celebrating, threatening “death con 3” on all Jewish people is a bridge too far.

The network spent a good part of last week hyping up Kanye West’s for sporting a “White Lives Matter” shirt at Paris Fashion Week, complete with a two-night sit-down interview on Tucker Carlson Tonight. But in the days since, the hosts have slowly come to the realization that they may have chosen the wrong hero.

It started on Sunday, when Fox & Friends Weekend hosts Will Cain, Pete Hegseth, and Rachel Campos-Duffy spent an early morning segment characterizing West’s Instagram suspension—for claiming that rapper Diddy was being controlled by Jewish people—as “totally totalitarian,” “totally anti-American,” and “just wrong.” They also suggested that West never would have been censored on social media had he not appeared on Tucker Carlson’s show.

But apparently, the hosts made those comments before seeing the subsequent tweet that led Twitter to lock his account. That message, which was posted late Saturday night and has since been removed by the platform, read, “I’m a bit sleepy tonight but when I wake up I’m going death [sic] con 3 On JEWISH PEOPLE The funny thing is I actually can’t be Anti Semitic because black people are actually Jew also You guys have toyed with me and tried to black ball anyone whoever opposes your agenda.”

Just two hours after declaring West a victim of unfair censorship, the Fox hosts were forced to make a sharp reversal. After learning what he had actually posted, Cain called the comments “shocking” and “pretty ugly,” while Hegseth said called them “unfortunate.”

“We talked about it earlier without knowing about these tweets and saying of course they’re going to put a target—after what he said with Tucker, there’s going to be a target, no doubt,” Hegseth said. “But in this particular case, I mean he brought the target with that.”

Cain then made the roundabout argument that if you really want to “expose” racism and antisemitism, then society should not “constantly silence, censor and cancel” those who espouse it. Doing so will leave us unaware of what is lurking “under the surface.”..........

Fox News Does Awkward About-Face on Kanye West After Antisemitic Rant

 

[SaulGoodmanEsq]

Michael Tracey is a Russian source?

No. Michael Tracey is a grifter and you're one of his marks.

 

[cuddlemonkey]

Dude, you posted tweets from a guy who quoted Pravda to back up his claims. Come on, we can see what you’re doing.

Saw this, thought it might apply...