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    I figured we needed a thread specifically about the media.

    There was a very big correction recently by the Washington Post.


    That story was supposedly "independently confirmed" by CNN, NBC News, USA Today, ABC News, & PBS News Hour. How could they all have gotten the quote wrong if they actually independently confirmed the story?






    Why do all the errors always go in one political direction and not closer to 50/50?
     
    Fox apparently refused to show any of the R or former R speakers at the DNC. They always cut away.

     
    MT15 said:
    Agree with this. The decline is evident.

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    The early 2000's was by far the lowest point of the NYT. It's not even a question.

    Half of these people are just mad the NYT brought out the knives for Joe.
     
    J-DONK said:
    The early 2000's was by far the lowest point of the NYT. It's not even a question.

    Half of these people are just mad the NYT brought out the knives for Joe.
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    Maybe - but not this guy. I wasn’t familiar with him so I looked. He didn’t think Biden could win - or at least not convincingly enough for the election stealing that the GOP has planned. He’s very happy with Harris.

    And yes, that was a pretty bad low for the NYT - but they are doing it again. They are tacitly framing Trump as a credible candidate, whereas they had no problem carrying on about Biden’s issues. It’s a clear double standard that does actual harm to the country.
     
    Speaking of journalistic malpractice - the Trump guy that CNN presented as “undecided” says that CNN knew he wasn’t undecided and used him anyway.

     
    MT15 said:
    Speaking of journalistic malpractice - the Trump guy that CNN presented as “undecided” says that CNN knew he wasn’t undecided and used him anyway.

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    Is there any evidence? Real easy for someone to say that without anything to back it up. I didn’t read the link.
     
    Nebaghead said:
    Is there any evidence? Real easy for someone to say that without anything to back it up. I didn’t read the link.
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    No one who produces anything that gets aired on TV ever puts anyone in front of a camera without vetting them first. They even try to control people in the street when they do live reports out in the field. CNN knew the guy was a Trump supporter, because they vetted everyone on that panel.

    CNN included the guy to guarantee at least one person would say they were voting for Trump, because they need the conflict to maximize viewership and ad revenue. They probably even banked on this controversy from selecting him. They may have even planned it. This controversy will drive more people to click on the videos of the panel segment which will give CNN even more revenue.
     
    As the Democratic party enjoys the afterglow of an exuberant national convention, the rightwing media has settled on consistent counter-programming: complaining about “joy”, hyping up pro-Palestinian protests and expressing a newfound concern for the treatment of Joe Biden.

    The coverage, which has at times avoided the more pointed Democratic criticisms of Trump by cutting to ad breaks, has also included the criticism of women both for smiling too much and not smiling enough, and the coining of a new name for Barack Obama: “Barack-Stabber”.

    There has also been the bizarre revival of the racist Obama birther conspiracy theory by a Fox News host, as well as the straight-faced claim by a Republican-supporting news host that it is “all vengeance at this year’s DNC [Democratic national convention]”.


    In short, it’s been days of coverage that will be unfamiliar to anyone lucky enough to be outside the rightwing media bubble, and depressingly recognizable to those who dip into conservative coverage.

    “The words that we hear on the ground over and over is [sic]: ‘Trump, Trump, Trump’, and that Harris and Walz are full of joy,” Daniel Baldwin, a reporter on the hard-right OANN news channel, reported on Tuesday.

    Baldwin, who seemed quite upset, added: “Guess what: vibes and joy don’t put fool … food on the table. They don’t bring prices down, they don’t clean up the streets, they don’t do any of that.”

    Others in the rightwing media complained that the joy was insincere. Sean Hannity, a staunch Trump supporter and one of Fox News’s most celebrated hosts, told his audience on Tuesday: “The convention has been full of a lot of hate, instead of the politics of joy, which you’ve been promised.”…….

    www.theguardian.com

    Tactical ad breaks and lies: rightwing coverage of DNC is exactly as expected

    Hard-right hosts resurrect racist Obama birther conspiracy theory and lament Democrats’ treatment of Joe Biden
    www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com
     
    MT15 said:
    I agree with this take. When Trump is criticized it isn’t “fitness to govern” as Biden was criticized. It’s couched as his campaign style or some other such baloney.

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    Yeah, it's like telling a white person they are racist (even if they are not) and then they go out of their way to show they aren't. It's like the Reagan and post Reagan years calling someone a liberal to imply some negative connotation and the person goes out of their way to avoid being labeled as such.

    Here we have a msm that had been implied they are liberal and therefore bias against conservatives. This falls back to that failure of both siderism (and note this aspect is different from the other critique: sensationalism). When a conservative fails, lies, cheat, commits a crime, etc, this current iteration of the press tries so hard to balance the reporting as fair by finding anything on the left. Even matching the intensity or sheer volume of negative stories to equivicate that both sides are acting the same. "See, we re not bias. We report evenly." Really? This asymmetrical coverage is evident. Buttery males? Biden's age issue...when trump exhibits worse behaviors and incoherency while the age difference isn't some canyon. Or even the difference in coverage over hillary's hacking episode vs trump's recent hacking episode. Or back to the emails...we have zero evidence that her "top secrets" were exposed yet we have Chinese spies literally in the same building as trump's highly top secrets sat in plain sight. Hunter biden.

    Or how about this gem from npr. I couldn't fathom what I was reading when I opened npr yesterday morning. Front page.


    The author and horsley tries so hard to pin that harris is wrong or exaggerating.

    1. “His explicit intent to jail journalists, political opponents, and anyone he sees as the enemy.”

    Trump has promised retribution against his political enemies, has called reporters “the enemy of the people,” and has made vague threats of jail time for reporters.

    “They’ll never find out, & it’s important that they do,” Trump wrote in a post on his social media platform after the leak of a draft of the Dobbs decision was published. “So, go to the reporter & ask him/her who it was. If not given the answer, put whoever in jail until the answer is given. You might add the editor and publisher to the list.”

    He’s made other such comments, but there’s no explicit and specific policy from Trump on this because, as with many things involving Trump, he has been vague about his specific intentions.
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    So, trump has threatened reporters and political opponents but harris has no right to characterize trump like she did because "it's not policy"????????? He had the doj investigate hillary. He had the 2 fbi officials investigated over taxes. Wtf!?!?!?!? Oh OK. We have to wait for real imprisonment??? Right? And they do this over and over. Project 2025: "trump has distanced himself. Well, even though many of those associated to the witing and conception of proj 2025 worked and are his advisers (and look, we re highlighting that...see we are balanced and fair), it's not trump". Wtf again. SS? Well he did try to kill it with a specific case and ss will die anyway...it's unfair to say he's trying to kill it? Umm.... oh, now to economic policy. Harris has no details!!!! Umm....horsley, did you get the details from trump? Or even his infrastructure bill? Is this fai or balanced? How about confusing trump's call for ending income taxes and raise tariffs to compensate to mean trump's past trade war with China. How can you be a fact checker when that detail is missed? So that one can say biden-harris not removing trump's tariffs is both siderism? See we are being fair and balance? Ah, abortion.....Trump is ambiguous about it. Dude!!!! He appointed sc justices that ended roe. He is proud of it.

    And oh, this gem needs highlighting.

    10. “With this election, we finally have the opportunity to pass the John Lewis Voting Rights Act and the Freedom to Vote Act.”

    This is another one of those traps politicians fall into – overpromising when it’s not something they can control. Harris needs Congress to do this, and her winning the presidency does not guarantee that any of what she wants done legislatively will get done, even if Democrats take control of both chambers.
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    No shirt Einstein. Why is this campaign promise a fact check? Going out of the way to fact check much?

    Going out of your way to sound fair and balance isn't journalistic integrity. Lumping all the shirt that the far right has done and exaggerating what the left had done to sound even handed does us a disservice. This is what has happened when the idiot right complains about the inherent unfairness in fact checking. The reaction is....the above...of over compensating. How about just telling the right to f off and just stop being so extreme w their criminal acts and lies both in volume and intensity and just go with that. Report dems' criminal acts. No dems object to that. They actually advocate jailing the NJ senator and voted him out. It's reality that the scale falls heavily on the right bc they are actually committing them. By large numbers. By intense extremism. Placating a loud minority sect will not assuage their hypocrisy. It'll only illuminate this weakness further and they will double down their efforts. Bannon's Clinton cash is far more damaging than realized. Schlapp's brooks brother riot coverage as if it's home grown does liberal democracy great harm. Journalism needs to do better.

    And I have seen some complain about the USA today and nyt doing this very thing. I have not read theirs.

    Edit: to be clear, npr did a fact check of trump's speech. I'm not advocating not to fact check harris. If it's not evident, how the author and the horsley did it is my criticism.

     
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    So after Watters has replaced Carlson for some time now I think we can draw at least one conclusion. He’s not nearly as intelligent as Carlson. His lies are more obvious and less damaging. He’s just a lightweight in every sense. Here he uses her parent’s address at birth, and the fact that she was bused to public schools in Berkeley to allege Harris is lying about growing up in Oakland. Guess what - I was born in a different town than I grew up in because my parents moved a year after I was born. What a complete moron.

    It’s almost FB level of stupid, not something we should expect from a major network. Random idiots on FB and Twitter recently promoted the idea that because 2 years ago Walz posted a picture of himself petting a different dog with a caption that mentioned Scout Walz is trying to lie about having a dog or something. This isn’t a joke it actually happened.

     
    My girlfriend told me that Ana Navarro was on talking about Harris not sitting for an interview

    Ana said that she talks politics with everyday people every day everywhere she goes and not a single person has said anything about wanting a Harris interview

    An interview is something the media outlets wants and needs,

    what outlet gets the interview? who does the interview? What will the ratings and exposure be?

    She said that the clamoring is much more about the media than the people

    Also said the media is ready to rip whatever Harris would say to shreds
     
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    MT15 said:
    It’s almost FB level of stupid, not something we should expect from a major network. Random idiots on FB and Twitter recently promoted the idea that because 2 years ago Walz posted a picture of himself petting a different dog with a caption that mentioned Scout Walz is trying to lie about having a dog or something. This isn’t a joke it actually happened.
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    Aaannnddd …. NewsMax ran the story about the dog. This is the level of media we are dealing with. The lowest rung of the ladder.

     

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