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[Dadsdream]

ABC's Amy Robach

Yet another female reporter from yet another network has accidently joined MSNBC's Rachel Maddow to call out her own company for years of spiking stories about Jeffery Epstein providing teenage sex partners for rich and powerful men.

ABC News Amy Robach was caught in an open mic video moment which has been published by Project Veratis' James O'Keefe, a self-proclaimed "guerrilla journalist" whose past efforts have drawn heavy criticism.

“I’ve had the story for three years… we would not put it on the air,” Robach said on the hot mic. “It was unbelievable what we had, Clinton, we had everything.”

Fox News contacted Robach, and she confirmed the video was genuine.

“As a journalist, as the Epstein story continued to unfold last summer, I was caught in a private moment of frustration. I was upset that an important interview I had conducted with [Epstein accuser] Virginia Roberts didn’t air because we could not obtain sufficient corroborating evidence to meet ABC’s editorial standards about her allegations,” Robach said in a statement provided to Fox News

“We would not put it on the air. Um, first of all, I was told, who’s Jeffrey Epstein? No one knows who that is. This is a stupid story," Robach said on the video recording. "Then, the Palace found out that we had her whole allegations about Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways. We were so afraid we wouldn’t be able to interview Kate and Will that we, that also quashed the story.”

“I tried for three years to get it on to no avail. And now it’s all coming out and it’s like these new revelations and I freaking had all of it,” Robach said. “I’m so pissed right now.”

ABC News' Amy Robach caught on hot mic saying network spiked Jeffrey Epstein bombshell

ABC News anchor Amy Robach was caught on a hot mic admitting that her network spiked a story that would have exposed disgraced money man and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein three years ago.

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Since Robach chose to provide a statement to Fox News, it's a sole source, not a news provider of choice for this piece.

 

[Ayo]

The whole medium has reduced political discourse to advocacy. Most shows resemble something like two or more lawyers arguing for their clients.
It has also produced this attitude amongst a great many people that they need to have an opinion on every freaking thing and that their opinion is of monumental importance.

yes, absolutely agree. Adults and parents of children are quick to lament the watering down of curriculum or the 'dumbing down' of the younger generations. And yet so many of them will tune into this sort of pastiche that passes as 'news' or 'discourse' when it's a very poor model of it.

And because it's highlighted as legitimate ways of thinking and having a discussion, because it's on a network, then that must be a model for how to have those discussions, how to think about those topics.

It's tedious and contributes to the erosion of discourse. It compounds alienation and vilifies the/an Other. And serves to confirm biases more than challenge conceptions or get people to think for themselves.

It's comfort food for our political ego.

I tend to shut up when I don't know about something, because I don't have to look far to see someone I can learn a lot more from than they could learn from me. But there is an audacity in My Opinion that, to be honest, has been legitimated when it doesn't deserve it. There are absolutely, patently stupid and uninformed opinions but point it out when it's objectively the case, and you're just being a big ol' meanie.

I think there are a number of factors that have added levels to the walls around our tribes, and this is certainly one.

 

[Lazybones]

Ailes used to say something like they were the only balanced/fair organization because they had both Republicans and Democrats on.

And then they fired Allen colmes. Lol

I’m not trying to argue semantics with you guys. I’m laying out why we feel there is concerted effort to sway the opinions of Americans to the left. From the mainstream networks to google and Facebook. And that’s ok if you are not hoodwinking the public acting as if the 5:00 news isn’t slanted.

despite what some of you have said, the common public thinks fox is hard core republican. Unfortunately, those same people feel like abc, nbc, npr, nyt et all, aside from their editorial, are straight shooters.

In my conservative narrow minded opinion, the latter is much much worse.

 

[wardorican]

I agree.
In fact, it is fair to say that quibbling over who is less biased/open/etc when it comes to the cable "news" arena is unproductive. The whole medium has reduced political discourse to advocacy. Most shows resemble something like two or more lawyers arguing for their clients.
It has also produced this attitude amongst a great many people that they need to have an opinion on every freaking thing and that their opinion is of monumental importance.

I agree with this a lot. Not all news, bit a lot has turned this way. And guests / analysts have seen this work. Gets viewers, gets them invited back, $$$$...

I mean, thay was what Jon Stewart was basically saying on Hardball all those years ago. They were partisan hacks there to just parrot the talking points, not actually debate ideas.

 

[LA - L.A.]

In fact, it is fair to say that quibbling over who is less biased/open/etc when it comes to the cable "news" arena is unproductive. The whole medium has reduced political discourse to advocacy. Most shows resemble something like two or more lawyers arguing for their clients.

yes, absolutely agree. Adults and parents of children are quick to lament the watering down of curriculum or the 'dumbing down' of the younger generations. And yet so many of them will tune into this sort of pastiche that passes as 'news' or 'discourse' when it's a very poor model of it.

And "reality TV" drags that same nonsense into every other area of our lives. I think "reality TV" is eroding social discourse just as much as anything else. I know it's a little off topic, but I have so much disdain for it that I had to comment.

 

[LA - L.A.]

I’m not trying to argue semantics with you guys. I’m laying out why we feel there is concerted effort to sway the opinions of Americans to the left.

Your feelings are grounded in reality. The problem, as pointed out above, is that there is too much advocacy and opinion across all news media trying to sway people to and away from the entire spectrum of ideologies.

From the mainstream networks to google and Facebook.

FOX news is part of the mainstream media and has the single largest market share. Google and Facebook allows opinions of all varieties.

The problem is not that any particular opinion dominates the news media marketplace, the problem is that opinion dominates the news media marketplace.

And that’s ok if you are not hoodwinking the public acting as if the 5:00 news isn’t slanted.

The news media outlets aren't really hoodwinking anyone. All of them, including FOX and CNN, make it very clear when they are doing straight reporting, editorials and opinions. The bigger problem is that when some people hear an opinion piece they agree with, they perceive it as proof that the source is a credible, fact based reporting source. The other equal problem is that when those same people here an opinion piece they don't agree with, they perceive it as proof that the source is a completely biased and factually inaccurate source.

People are hoodwinking themselves more than any news outlet.

despite what some of you have said, the common public thinks fox is hard core republican.

And the overwhelming majority of people who rely on FOX news believe it to be the only credible news source and that everything they put out is absolute factual truth and anyone that contradicts anything they put out are just a bunch of biased liars.

Unfortunately, those same people feel like abc, nbc, npr, nyt et all, aside from their editorial, are straight shooters.

Just like the majority of those who rely on FOX think the same way about FOX.

The thing is that it's mostly true outside of their editorial and opinion pieces which are clearly identified. This is also true for FOX as well. Outside of FOX's opinion and editorial segments, they are pretty straight on the facts. A lot of people in this thread and society in general have acknowledged that.

The problem is the highest rated shows across all networks in general are the editorial and opinion segments, not the straight news segments. The problem is fundamentally a failure of the audience more so than the networks themselves.

That is the biggest problem. The majority of Americans are not seeking out straight news, they are seeking out opinions and editorials that confirm what they already believe and then they choose to mistakenly accept those opinions and editorials as straight, factual news.

If the vast majority of people started watching and reading straight factual news reporting instead of opinions and editorials, then there would be a lot more straight factual news reporting and a lot less opinions and editorials.

 

[Lazybones]

Your feelings are grounded in reality. The problem, as pointed out above, is that there is too much advocacy and opinion across all news media trying to sway people to and away from the entire spectrum of ideologies.

FOX news is part of the mainstream media and has the single largest market share. Google and Facebook allows opinions of all varieties.

The problem is not that any particular opinion dominates the news media marketplace, the problem is that opinion dominates the news media marketplace.

The news media outlets aren't really hoodwinking anyone. All of them, including FOX and CNN, make it very clear when they are doing straight reporting, editorials and opinions. The bigger problem is that when some people hear an opinion piece they agree with, they perceive it as proof that the source is a credible, fact based reporting source. The other equal problem is that when those same people here an opinion piece they don't agree with, they perceive it as proof that the source is a completely biased and factually inaccurate source.

People are hoodwinking themselves more than any news outlet.

And the overwhelming majority of people who rely on FOX news believe it to be the only credible news source and that everything they put out is absolute factual truth and anyone that contradicts anything they put out are just a bunch of biased liars.

Just like the majority of those who rely on FOX think the same way about FOX.

The thing is that it's mostly true outside of their editorial and opinion pieces which are clearly identified. This is also true for FOX as well. Outside of FOX's opinion and editorial segments, they are pretty straight on the facts. A lot of people in this thread and society in general have acknowledged that.

The problem is the highest rated shows across all networks in general are the editorial and opinion segments, not the straight news segments. The problem is fundamentally a failure of the audience more so than the networks themselves.

That is the biggest problem. The majority of Americans are not seeking out straight news, they are seeking out opinions and editorials that confirm what they already believe and then they choose to mistakenly accept those opinions and editorials as straight, factual news.

If the vast majority of people started watching and reading straight factual news reporting instead of opinions and editorials, then there would be a lot more straight factual news reporting and a lot less opinions and editorials.

No sense in going tit for tat. According to you guys, fox is as big and powerful as the rest of the networks combined. I can understand the disdain for the sole voice of the right on network TV. It’s obvious 1 conservative is worth at least as much as 6 liberals in man code.

In all honesty, We see things totally different. I’m right and you are wrong. And vise versa.

 

[LA - L.A.]

No sense in going tit for tat. According to you guys, fox is as big and powerful as the rest of the networks combined. I can understand the disdain for the sole voice of the right on network TV. It’s obvious 1 conservative is worth at least as much as 6 liberals in man code.

In all honesty, We see things totally different. I’m right and you are wrong. And vise versa.

If the above is what you got from my post, then I missed the mark at getting my point across.

I was speaking from a place of neutrality. I wasn't claiming any one news outlet or group of news outlets is better or worse than any other. I wasn't claiming that any ideology had more or less of audience share. It wasn't about making anyone right or wrong.

What I was trying to get across is that the problem is larger than any single network or group of networks. That the problem is greater than any one ideology versus any other.

The real problem is that the majority of people are seeking out opinions that confirm what they already believe, instead of seeking out straight shooting, factual news.

I put a lot of effort and thought into making it clear that I wasn't taking a partisan or "sides" stance. I'm disappointed that I missed that mark.

 

[Lazybones]

If the above is what you got from my post, then I missed the mark at getting my point across.

I was speaking from a place of neutrality. I wasn't claiming any one news outlet or group of news outlets is better or worse than any other. I wasn't claiming that any ideology had more or less of audience share. It wasn't about making anyone right or wrong.

What I was trying to get across is that the problem is larger than any single network or group of networks. That the problem is greater than any one ideology versus any other.

The real problem is that the majority of people are seeking out opinions that confirm what they already believe, instead of seeking out straight shooting, factual news.

I put a lot of effort and thought into making it clear that I wasn't taking a partisan or "sides" stance. I'm disappointed that I missed that mark.

the problem is that most Americans rely on TV for their news. And when all but 1 network is slanted left, it kind of loads the deck against the right.

you are correct in that people should dig and find factual news. But where does the common person find that? Damn sure not CNN.com.

it is a much bigger problem as you described. we just disagree on the problem. You say people look to validate their own opinions. I’m saying the left has hoodwinked the public into thinking abc, cbs et all is the truth and honest unbiased reporting.

 

[LA - L.A.]

the problem is that most Americans rely on TV for their news. And when all but 1 network is slanted left, it kind of loads the deck against the right.

you are correct in that people should dig and find factual news. But where does the common person find that? Damn sure not CNN.com.

it is a much bigger problem as you described. we just disagree on the problem. You say people look to validate their own opinions. I’m saying the left has hoodwinked the public into thinking abc, cbs et all is the truth and honest unbiased reporting.

People choose to watch whatever network they like, because they like what they hear on that network. The networks don't force or fool people into watching them.

If the "left" has "hoodwinked" the public and "loaded the deck" against the "right," then why has the right had a slight advantage in power at the state and federal level for so long?

Do you think the "right" should have all the power?

I get factual news every day from CNN.com. I know to ignore headlines and that anything that is labeled with "opinion" or "analysis" is more opinion than straight fact. I rarely read any of those articles. I also don't rely exclusively on CNN.com.

 

[Lazybones]

People choose to watch whatever network they like, because they like what they hear on that network. The networks don't force or fool people into watching them.

If the "left" has "hoodwinked" the public and "loaded the deck" against the "right," then why has the right had a slight advantage in power at the state and federal level for so long?

Do you think the "right" should have all the power?

maybe because as a whole we are smart enough not to fall for CNN,NYT, NPR’s narrative?

are you now saying that the media needs to slant left because the right has to much power despite the concerted efforts of Washington, the media AND academia?

 

[LA - L.A.]

maybe because as a whole we are smart enough not to fall for CNN,NYT, NPR’s narrative?

I know how to recognize anyone pushing a narrative which includes all of the above, FOX and all the rest. It's not about being smart. It's about reading with a open and critical mind.

are you now saying that the media needs to slant left because the right has to much power despite the concerted efforts of Washington, the media AND academia?

I'm not saying that at all. I'm not advocating for the "left" over the "right" or vice versa, because I don't subscribe to the whole "left" versus "right" worldview. I'm not saying that "right" leaning media is worse than "left" leaning media or vice versa.

You're definitely saying that one "side" is worse than the other. You believe in the "left" versus "right" worldview which is why you can only see this issue in terms of "left" versus "right."

You keep stating that all but one news outlet is intentionally trying to "hoodwink" people toward the "left." Now you're saying our entire society is slanted to the "left." You're basic argument is that the "left" is dominating the "right."

If that is true, then how do you explain how much power the "right" has had at the state and federal level for a long time now?

You seem to see the "right" as an oppressed majority, but the "right" has had slightly more influence and control over our society than the "left."

Where is the oppression? What power and influence is the "right" being deprived of in our society? How much power and influence over our society do you think the "right" should have? How much power and influence do you think would be fair and just?

 

[Lazybones]

I know how to recognize anyone pushing a narrative which includes all of the above, FOX and all the rest. It's not about being smart. It's about reading with a open and critical mind.


I'm not saying that at all. I'm not advocating for the "left" over the "right" or vice versa, because I don't subscribe to the whole "left" versus "right" worldview. I'm not saying that "right" leaning media is worse than "left" leaning media or vice versa.

You're definitely saying that one "side" is worse than the other. You believe in the "left" versus "right" worldview which is why you can only see this issue in terms of "left" versus "right."

You keep stating that all but one news outlet is intentionally trying to "hoodwink" people toward the "left." Now you're saying our entire society is slanted to the "left." You're basic argument is that the "left" is dominating the "right."

If that is true, then how do you explain how much power the "right" has had at the state and federal level for a long time now?

You seem to see the "right" as an oppressed majority, but the "right" has had slightly more influence and control over our society than the "left."

Where is the oppression? What power and influence is the "right" being deprived of in our society? How much power and influence over our society do you think the "right" should have? How much power and influence do you think would be fair and just?

you say you don’t see things as left or right, yet you don’t project objectiveness.

you are a smart guy, I never once said anyone was oppressed. you also know I didn’t say the left is dominating the right. I’m not sure why you are employing this tactic.

yes I do think Washington, the media and academia do everything in there power to influence the country left. I also believe that most people in our country live very conservative lifestyles and really don’t relate to the liberal cause of the day.

 

[LA - L.A.]

you say you don’t see things as left or right, yet you don’t project objectiveness.

I'm being objective, so I'd like to know what you're perceiving as a lack of objectiveness on my part.

you are a smart guy, I never once said anyone was oppressed. you also know I didn’t say the left is dominating the right. I’m not sure why you are employing this tactic.

I'm giving you the honest impression I get from what I am hearing you say. I'm not employing any tactics. That's why I said it seems that you feel this way and mostly asked you questions to get a better understanding of what you are trying to say.

Whenever I hear someone make a claim that basically sounds like they are saying everyone is against me or us, I get the impression that they feel they are being treated unfairly and unjustly. That's why it seems like to me you feel like the "right" is being oppressed or dominated by the left when it comes to the media, Washington and academia. Maybe being under assault would more accurately describe how you feel, rather than oppressed or dominated.

yes I do think Washington,...

Don't you consider the Republican party to be part of the "right?"

Don't they currently control 2.5 of the 3 branches of government in Washington?

How does it make sense that the Republicans control most of Washington, but Washington is doing everything in it's power to influence the country to the left? Is Trump trying to influence the country to the left? Is the Senate trying to influence the country to the left? Is the Supreme Court trying to influence the country to the left? Are corporate lobbyists trying to influence the country to the left?

...the media and academia do everything in there power to influence the country left. I also believe that most people in our country live very conservative lifestyles and really don’t relate to the liberal cause of the day.

All media outlets chase ratings to make money which means they chase audience share. Media outlets do not choose their audience, the audience chooses them.

It seems that you think media outlets force themselves onto people. They do not and can not. Nobody makes anyone stare at a screen. People do it voluntarily and they choose what they stare at. The media outlets have to appeal to viewers to attract viewers.

So, it doesn't make sense to me that the majority of the media would try to appeal to a "liberal" audience which you seem to equate with the "left," if our country is majority "conservative" which you seem to equate with the "right."

 

[Ayo]

yes I do think academia do everything in there power to influence the country left.

how do you reconcile this with the reality - and a rapidly increasing one, at that - of how universities are administered, run, and funded?

I also believe that most people in our country live very conservative lifestyles and really don’t relate to the liberal cause of the day.

I'm not sure what this means. I don't know what you mean by "conservative lifestyles" and I don't know what you mean by "liberal cause of the day." I think the issues that really galvanize the right - by virtue of what the politicians lean on - which are the Second Amendment (and by that I don't mean gun ownership - because I own guns - I mean the NRA Style) and abortion and immigration, that the views aren't held by the majority.

So I'm wondering what you mean when you say "Conservative" as lifestyle principles that moderates, independents, Democrats, etc would not embrace or do not approve or practice.

I also wonder what "liberal cause of the day" means. I'm wary of some of the implication behind that, but won't guess at a meaning without some clarification.

 

[Beach Friends]

how do you reconcile this with the reality - and a rapidly increasing one, at that - of how universities are administered, run, and funded?

It's part of the problem. More administrators pulling down big bucks while there is a shift to low paid adjunct professors.

Or were you thinking of something else?

 

[Lazybones]

I'm being objective, so I'd like to know what you're perceiving as a lack of objectiveness on my part.

I'm giving you the honest impression I get from what I am hearing you say. I'm not employing any tactics. That's why I said it seems that you feel this way and mostly asked you questions to get a better understanding of what you are trying to say.

Whenever I hear someone make a claim that basically sounds like they are saying everyone is against me or us, I get the impression that they feel they are being treated unfairly and unjustly. That's why it seems like to me you feel like the "right" is being oppressed or dominated by the left when it comes to the media, Washington and academia. Maybe being under assault would more accurately describe how you feel, rather than oppressed or dominated.

Don't you consider the Republican party to be part of the "right?"

Don't they currently control 2.5 of the 3 branches of government in Washington?

How does it make sense that the Republicans control most of Washington, but Washington is doing everything in it's power to influence the country to the left? Is Trump trying to influence the country to the left? Is the Senate trying to influence the country to the left? Is the Supreme Court trying to influence the country to the left? Are corporate lobbyists trying to influence the country to the left?

All media outlets chase ratings to make money which means they chase audience share. Media outlets do not choose their audience, the audience chooses them.

It seems that you think media outlets force themselves onto people. They do not and can not. Nobody makes anyone stare at a screen. People do it voluntarily and they choose what they stare at. The media outlets have to appeal to viewers to attract viewers.

So, it doesn't make sense to me that the majority of the media would try to appeal to a "liberal" audience which you seem to equate with the "left," if our country is majority "conservative" which you seem to equate with the "right."

this is just me, but I’m not going to write down everything you say in a post this long to respond.

I don’t trust the republicans in Congress anymore than the Democrats.

 

[Dadsdream]

ABC's Amy Robach

Yet another female reporter from yet another network has accidently joined MSNBC's Rachel Maddow to call out her own company for years of spiking stories about Jeffery Epstein providing teenage sex partners for rich and powerful men.

ABC News Amy Robach was caught in an open mic video moment which has been published by Project Veratis' James O'Keefe, a self-proclaimed "guerrilla journalist" whose past efforts have drawn heavy criticism.

“I’ve had the story for three years… we would not put it on the air,” Robach said on the hot mic. “It was unbelievable what we had, Clinton, we had everything.”

Fox News contacted Robach, and she confirmed the video was genuine.

“As a journalist, as the Epstein story continued to unfold last summer, I was caught in a private moment of frustration. I was upset that an important interview I had conducted with [Epstein accuser] Virginia Roberts didn’t air because we could not obtain sufficient corroborating evidence to meet ABC’s editorial standards about her allegations,” Robach said in a statement provided to Fox News

“We would not put it on the air. Um, first of all, I was told, who’s Jeffrey Epstein? No one knows who that is. This is a stupid story," Robach said on the video recording. "Then, the Palace found out that we had her whole allegations about Prince Andrew and threatened us a million different ways. We were so afraid we wouldn’t be able to interview Kate and Will that we, that also quashed the story.”

“I tried for three years to get it on to no avail. And now it’s all coming out and it’s like these new revelations and I freaking had all of it,” Robach said. “I’m so pissed right now.”

ABC News' Amy Robach caught on hot mic saying network spiked Jeffrey Epstein bombshell

ABC News anchor Amy Robach was caught on a hot mic admitting that her network spiked a story that would have exposed disgraced money man and sex offender Jeffrey Epstein three years ago.

www.foxnews.com

Since Robach chose to provide a statement to Fox News, it's a sole source, not a news provider of choice for this piece.

And now, CBS has fired the staffer who previously worked for ABC for apparently being the person who leaked the hot mic video of Amy Robach saying ABC quashed her Epstein story.

CBS News reportedly fired a staffer suspected of leaking that explosive video of an ABC anchor saying the network killed her Jeffrey Epstein exposé

ABC News executives reportedly learned the identity of the former staffer who accessed the footage, then informed their counterparts at CBS News.

www.businessinsider.com

Scoop: ABC News/Epstein

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[Lazybones]

how do you reconcile this with the reality - and a rapidly increasing one, at that - of how universities are administered, run, and funded?



I'm not sure what this means. I don't know what you mean by "conservative lifestyles" and I don't know what you mean by "liberal cause of the day." I think the issues that really galvanize the right - by virtue of what the politicians lean on - which are the Second Amendment (and by that I don't mean gun ownership - because I own guns - I mean the NRA Style) and abortion and immigration, that the views aren't held by the majority.

So I'm wondering what you mean when you say "Conservative" as lifestyle principles that moderates, independents, Democrats, etc would not embrace or do not approve or practice.

I also wonder what "liberal cause of the day" means. I'm wary of some of the implication behind that, but won't guess at a meaning without some clarification.

all fair questions

1.anecdotally Most every professor that I come in contact with (often, not saying I’m hanging out on campi across the country) are very liberal. As a former college debate, most everyone I came into contact with was very liberal. And I don’t think many would argue with me that college professors are WAY more liberal than most of your common folk.

2. liberal cause of the day- see Beto Rourke, the left has a propensity to make everything an emergency all the whole using it for profiteering. Global warming, We suck because we want legal immigration, trumps the devil etc. Oh and when “the man breaths” it disproportionately hurts women, children and minorities.

3. conservative lifestyle. Look at the black community in the south for example. They don’t believe in abortion and love them some Jesus, yet vote democrat. Or, how many people prior to their child being born has the conversation of choosing the child’s name based on if it will apply across the 112 approved genders?

We can go into further detail if you would like.