Israel vs Hamas (2 Viewers)

[GrandAdmiral]

Looks like the fight is on with Israeli soldiers and civilians amongst the dead already. Question becomes, how long before we get dragged into this?

Netanyahu says Israel is ‘at war’ after Hamas launches surprise attack, takes hostages | CNN

Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that the country was “at war” on Saturday, after Palestinian militants in Gaza fired a deadly barrage of rockets and sent gunmen into Israeli territory in a major escalation of the long running conflict between the two sides.

www.cnn.com

 

[Heathen]

They abstained or voted against the only candidate who openly stated that the only viable solution was a 2 state solution and enabled a candidate who equally openly stated that the Gazan's should be removed from Gaza.

So why, then, would anyone protest a candidate that strongly supported a "2 state solution"?

It's because for almost a year and a half, he directly enabled a genocide to occur -- through consistently backing down from PR "warnings" he gave Israel and while continuing to send exorbitant amounts of funding for more weapons to continue the genocide and protecting Israel from outside threats while they did it... Not to mention he repeated Israeli propaganda many times without admitting he'd done so, and that what he'd repeated was unfounded.

Please, by all means - address this.

Those two facts should make it clear for everyone what was at stake.

Well, as I alluded to...this is painting a narrative that a huge distinction exists when one only exists in PR.

Actions always speak louder than words.

Saying you want a two state solution then aiding and abetting a mass slaughter may fool a handful of people, but there is a reason so many have been adamantly protesting this across party lines.

Including, I might add...the fact that a number of service members have protested this and some even sacrificed their lives to wake people up to this atrocity.

But I guess the fact that she was a woman also counted against her in a predominately masculine culture.

Well yeah.

 

[Dragon]

So why, then, would anyone protest a candidate that strongly supported a "2 state solution"?

It's because for almost a year and a half, he directly enabled a genocide to occur -- through consistently backing down from PR "warnings" he gave Israel and while continuing to send exorbitant amounts of funding for more weapons to continue the genocide and protecting Israel from outside threats while they did it... Not to mention he repeated Israeli propaganda many times without admitting he'd done so, and that what he'd repeated was unfounded.

Please, by all means - address this.



Well, as I alluded to...this is painting a narrative that a huge distinction exists when one only exists in PR.

Actions always speak louder than words.

Saying you want a two state solution then aiding and abetting a mass slaughter may fool a handful of people, but there is a reason so many have been adamantly protesting this across party lines.

Including, I might add...the fact that a number of service members have protested this and some even sacrificed their lives to wake people up to this atrocity.



Well yeah.

The candidate running was not "He" and the candidate running did not set policy

 

[Heathen]

As I have said multiple times before. In order to achieve peace there need to be 3 to tango and Bibi had no reason to agree to any kind of deals when he knew he would get it all if Trump was elected. Trump was in open communication with Bibi even before being elected again and Bibi did everything to obstruct any kind of solution.

So do you think that the most powerful military and government in the world simply was inept because of Netanyahu's obstructionism?

Sounds like that's pointing to the problem all the same, doesn't it?

Also - Kamala was NOT president, and were not the one responsible for setting policy. AND she repeatedly stated that a 2 state solution was the only viable way to peace.

Obviously she wasn't the one responsible for setting policy, that is irrelevant.

You seem to keep acting like parroting the "2 state solution" or any ideal somehow outweighs the actions on the ground. What someone actually DOES after they say one thing. It doesn't.

What Harris did as the Vice President of the United States and what she would've done as POTUS logically follows.

I'm really not sure how you can keep arguing the opposite here. Insinuating that she would have done the opposite of what she did (and supported the rest of the administration doing) when in office requires a greater amount of proof, because it is making the larger claim.

So stop blaming the democrats and especially Kamala. The US palestinians chose to support a man who openly promoted genocide and forcibel removal of their own people from Gaza.

No.

I'm sorry, but doing what the US government has done across 2 administrations of differing party affiliations over the past years deserves every bit of flak they get. We're not going to "stop" simply because folks want to think their party doesn't do what it in reality has done.

And as I've said since the beginning of this conflict - I highly doubt anyone here would actually say this to a Palestinian American who has lost loved ones in this conflict.

 

[UriUT]

Statements like this make me deeply question how well you actually understand the conflict or the nuance therein.

First and most obvious point - if they REALLY wanted to "help" the Palestinians as you claim, they would have. They could have done a number of things to ensure that this conflict didn't spin out of control once the IDF started slaughtering civilians left and right, even in the first couple of months.

Like what? Like send troops. Like cut off funding or drastically reduce it. Like encourage other nations to do the same. What, suddenly the United States is helpless when Israel is making the demands?

It's absolute nonsense.

And then there are the "bullshirt" lies repeated by the US for Israel. Remember when Biden repeated a LIE that there were 'beheaded babies' that Hamas had butchered? You mean to tell me he just made a 'mistake'? When, in actuality, it was Israel far and away that beheaded the most babies -- there are pictures everywhere. There are Israeli soldiers bragging about doing it. Any mention about that from the "willing to help" Biden adminstration?

Nope. All silence on the western front. Let's not pretend we don't know why.

The United States under Biden consistently, without fail wagged their finger and acted like they cared for the PR cameos -- but was SILENT when line after line after line after line was crossed by Israel. Remember the 'red line' of Rafah? If you don't - here's the short: Biden declared in March of 2024 that an IDF invasion of Rafah would be a "red line" and he would not supply certain weapons like bombs or shells nor allow an obvious mass displacement of people without adequate provisions due to crossing said line. Now, what did Israel do? In early May of 2024, a siege of Rafah occurred. The Israeli army entered with tanks and slaughtered Palestinians at will - on May 26th they slaughtered 45+ people including women and children in a camp for displaced people -- on May 28th they killed another 20+. From this siege and other attempts in the area, ONE MILLION Palestinians were forced to evacuate Rafah without food, water, or shelter that the US had deemed necessary.

And what did the US do?

Not a damned thing.

It's almost like a theme, isn't it?




Would you be kind enough to share your sources on this?




Do you think that there's a possibility that you simply don't want to accept for partisan reasons -- that US foreign policy decisions regardless of party are and historically have been abhorrently inhumane and littered with war crimes?

Have you already forgotten the Iraq War? Afghanistan?



Actions speak louder than words.

Acting like enabling the slaughter of hundreds of thousands is better than enabling the slaughter of hundreds of thousands is illogical.



Yes, and YOU should be harping on deaths and genocide too, because it affects YOU.

Do you seriously think that if push came to shove, certain governments wouldn't do the same to people it deemed 'less than'?

This affects ALL of us. The preservation and dignity of human life above all being cherished and protected is being made into a spectacle and a joke by Israeli army terrorists who parade around in the dresses of the children they've decapitated, riding their toy horses, having tea in the homes of innocent people they've killed....all while Americans - too short sighted and distracted and stressed to want to engage, stream netflix or concern themselves with buying more shirte or about who wins some stupid sports game.

My goodness man...the time to be concerned about deaths and genocide should have been when someone mentioned they were happening.



You're wrong once more.

I do want anyone who can help slow down the genocide in Gaza and terrorism that the Israelis are inflicting upon Palestinians across the West Bank and other places.

Your issue seems to be that you'd rather defend those enabling genocide so that you can feel better about your party than actually condemn genocide across the board and anyone who participates in said enablement.





Why are you so worried about "one party only"?

Do you not see the protests by the hundreds of thousands happening now condemning the US of their role in genocide?

You keep repeating the notion that Biden couldn't do anything. What evidence do you have for that?

And better yet -- instead of thinking that the world's most powerful military by a longshot suddenly "can't do anything" when it comes to Israel, maybe you can admit there's a chance that the US simply chose to maintain regional geopolitical power, regardless of how many hundreds of thousands of people were purposefully slaughtered?

I'll ask you once more - do you NOT remember Iraq and Afghanistan?



Everyone's being guilted. Liberals guilt progressives over 'enabling Trump' all day and twice on Tuesday. Kind of like you did with your original quote.

I'm going to call you out on your "relief" comment. Once more, as I think the narrative you're pushing is illogical:

What evidence do you have that a Harris administration (or Biden) would have been this palpable "relief" as you say vs. Trump - what IS that relief and why is it better, when the bar (set by the Biden administration) is set at the majority of Gaza being destroyed and potentially 100,000+ already slaughtered?

I think that you have a very poor argument in that regard, but I'm open to seeing why I'm wrong.

I really dont understand how you can fundamentally agree with what bird wrote about decoupling from israel and not understand the dynamics of the us-israel relationship. You keep yapping away at what biden didn't or did do, but cannot fathom the limitations that relationship put on what he can really achieve regarding israel. What happens in us politics affects the world because of our position. I mean, if you didn't even follow the news that trump convinced netanyahu to delay ceasefire during the election and other news, then I don't know what to tell you. I recommend foreignaffairs.com and foreignpolicy.com.

The thing with activists and politicians..and I mean the ones who do care like harris and Biden is that the politicians have to work within a framework. Israel threatens the pa and will completely destroy them. The entirety of the Republican political machine is against you. You have a good portion of your own party against you. The majority of the us population supports Israel. So please, tell me. what do you do? Oh deploy American troops on the ground you say??? Talking like a raving lunatic....like you know...Trump. everything you say treats this whole israel-us dynamic as something simple...like a toddler can fix. For example, you understand that the bond between the us and israel is so strong that the us relies almost completely on Israeli intelligence regarding the middle east. Or perhaps, ask Obama how he fared butting heads with Netanyahu.

And please don't lecture me about partisanship. I'm quite aware where I stand as I can also tell you I don't worship anyone or any party.

Plus all the other stuff...I've already covered...and again, you've ignored my question about why the protest isn't blowing up now. Why is it only at democratic town halls and politicians when they aren't in power. Why is Trump shielded from the same venom?

 

[Dragon]

So do you think that the most powerful military and government in the world simply was inept because of Netanyahu's obstructionism?

Sounds like that's pointing to the problem all the same, doesn't it?




Obviously she wasn't the one responsible for setting policy, that is irrelevant.

You seem to keep acting like parroting the "2 state solution" or any ideal somehow outweighs the actions on the ground. What someone actually DOES after they say one thing. It doesn't.

What Harris did as the Vice President of the United States and what she would've done as POTUS logically follows.

I'm really not sure how you can keep arguing the opposite here. Insinuating that she would have done the opposite of what she did (and supported the rest of the administration doing) when in office requires a greater amount of proof, because it is making the larger claim.




No.

I'm sorry, but doing what the US government has done across 2 administrations of differing party affiliations over the past years deserves every bit of flak they get. We're not going to "stop" simply because folks want to think their party doesn't do what it in reality has done.

And as I've said since the beginning of this conflict - I highly doubt anyone here would actually say this to a Palestinian American who has lost loved ones in this conflict.

So you wanted Biden to attack Israel to stop the genocide? That is what it would have taken. Bibi would not have backed down. He could not afford to do so and stay out of jail. In that aspect he do have something in common with Trump

Harris never got the chance to prove what she would have done. Her policy however clearly stated that the only solution was a two state one. Don't blame Harris for what previous administrations have done.

Fact is that her policy was clearly stated AS was TRUMPS. The palestinians chose Trumps "solution"!

 

[Heathen]

I really dont understand how you can fundamentally agree with what bird wrote about decoupling from israel and not understand the dynamics of the us-israel relationship. You keep yapping away at what biden didn't or did do, but cannot fathom the limitations that relationship put on what he can really achieve regarding israel. What happens in us politics affects the world because of our position. I mean, if you didn't even follow the news that trump convinced netanyahu to delay ceasefire during the election and other news, then I don't know what to tell you. I recommend foreignaffairs.com and foreignpolicy.com.

The thing with activists and politicians..and I mean the ones who do care like harris and Biden is that the politicians have to work within a framework. Israel threatens the pa and will completely destroy them. The entirety of the Republican political machine is against you. You have a good portion of your own party against you. The majority of the us population supports Israel. So please, tell me. what do you do? Oh deploy American troops on the ground you say??? Talking like a raving lunatic....like you know...Trump. everything you say treats this whole israel-us dynamic as something simple...like a toddler can fix. For example, you understand that the bond between the us and israel is so strong that the us relies almost completely on Israeli intelligence regarding the middle east. Or perhaps, ask Obama how he fared butting heads with Netanyahu.

And please don't lecture me about partisanship. I'm quite aware where I stand as I can also tell you I don't worship anyone or any party.

Plus all the other stuff...I've already covered...and again, you've ignored my question about why the protest isn't blowing up now. Why is it only at democratic town halls and politicians when they aren't in power. Why is Trump shielded from the same venom?

I don't think it's as complicated as you're making it. I didn't think the question about "protests" was a serious one -- but since you seem to think you've found quite the zinger, let's address it:

Why would Democrats be protesting their lawmakers vs Republican ones if they had the chance (they ARE protesting Republican lawmakers across the country, but I digress)?

It's not too nuanced at all: Democrats by and large are more likely to abstain for voting with the rest of the drones for Israeli weapons funding during a time when the IDF is using those weapons to slaughter Palestinians and expel them from their land so they can turn Gaza into a Zionist beachfront estate.

So yes, many progressives have been showing up at their representatives' town halls to make them uncomfortable about their shirtty positions. To push them not to tote the government policy line and keep funding an apartheid state's slaughter of children.

It has absolutely nothing to do with any thought of progs/leftists wanting more to attack the Democrats vs. Republicans.

If I can push my party to not vote for genocide, why the hell would I not? Why would I waste my time on a Republican that believes in the divinity of ethnic cleansing?

 

[Heathen]

So you wanted Biden to attack Israel to stop the genocide? That is what it would have taken. Bibi would not have backed down. He could not afford to do so and stay out of jail. In that aspect he do have something in common with Trump

That's not what I said.

How about simply refusing to send weapons and pushing other countries not to do the same?

Public perception and being cut off from your largest arms supplier would do quite a number on the confidence of the Israelis to go on the offensive.

Let them crumble from within.

Harris never got the chance to prove what she would have done. Her policy however clearly stated that the only solution was a two state one. Don't blame Harris for what previous administrations have done.

You keep repeating that her policy was one of a two state solution, but as I mentioned one of the major issues with supporting a two state solution is simultaneously the support of the destruction of one of the states.

Harris was consistent in supporting arms to Israel during a time the entire administration knew said arms were being used to massacre innocent people and children:

Harris rejects claims she would support Israel arms embargo

The palestinians chose Trumps "solution"!

This isn't very descriptive and pretty ripe for misinterpretation.

It could mean the palestinians in Gaza or the palestinian americans in America.

Can you clarify, and also expound a bit on what you mean?

 

[UriUT]

I don't think it's as complicated as you're making it. I didn't think the question about "protests" was a serious one -- but since you seem to think you've found quite the zinger, let's address it:

Why would Democrats be protesting their lawmakers vs Republican ones if they had the chance (they ARE protesting Republican lawmakers across the country, but I digress)?

It's not too nuanced at all: Democrats by and large are more likely to abstain for voting with the rest of the drones for Israeli weapons funding during a time when the IDF is using those weapons to slaughter Palestinians and expel them from their land so they can turn Gaza into a Zionist beachfront estate.

So yes, many progressives have been showing up at their representatives' town halls to make them uncomfortable about their shirtty positions. To push them not to tote the government policy line and keep funding an apartheid state's slaughter of children.

It has absolutely nothing to do with any thought of progs/leftists wanting more to attack the Democrats vs. Republicans.

If I can push my party to not vote for genocide, why the hell would I not? Why would I waste my time on a Republican that believes in the divinity of ethnic cleansing?

OK....

Brilliant. So what you are telling me is that you don't want to achieve anything. Gotcha. And it's not a zinger. [edit. As you've clearly stated here, you cannot move republicans, and last I've checked, they hold significant power. You just want to hurt people who are, in essence, on your side..as in similar beliefs...your cause. This applies to the general election btw]

And yes, foreign policy is difficult, no matter what you try to say. I've posted a long article written by Jake Sullivan on Biden's foreign policy reasoning. He edited it for the Oct attack. Perhaps read it and maybe understand the complexity of dealing with multiple parties.

 

[Heathen]

OK....

Brilliant. So what you are telling me is that you don't want to achieve anything. Gotcha.

Why would you assume that?

I'm having a hard time telling if you're trolling or not. You seem to 'broad brush' and dismiss a lot without actually ever asking questions.

And it's not a zinger. [edit. As you've clearly stated here, you cannot move republicans, and last I've checked, they hold significant power.

If you actually read what I've said, you'd know that isn't what I said.

I inferred that the logic goes that you're more likely to move those that are more likely to vote the way you want them to.

BUT that does not mean you don't also speak out against ANYONE who supports a genocide, so that means Republicans.

But maybe there aren't actually Republican town halls and leaders being interrupted and harassed all over the country by leftist protestors.

This is starting to sound like all the Republicans claiming that folks protesting all over this nation against Trump policies and against genocide have been "bussed in" and are "from out of state"

Maybe progressives don't actually protest against Republican lawmakers at town halls or in transit or at government buildings -- and it's all 'fake news'?

In all seriousness though - it isn't fake news. It's what is happening and has happened ever since this started.

You just want to hurt people who are, in essence, on your side..as in similar beliefs...your cause. This applies to the general election btw]

You don't actually know what I want.

You could ask me: "Do you think that your beliefs hurt those on your side? Could you explain why or why not?" and I'd answer the best I could.

The problem is you've already decided that you know what the issue is and seem to be closed off from seeing a different perspective. I would think you would want to do more asking and less assuming.

And yes, foreign policy is difficult, no matter what you try to say. I've posted a long article written by Jake Sullivan on Biden's foreign policy reasoning. He edited it for the Oct attack. Perhaps read it and maybe understand the complexity of dealing with multiple parties.

I never said it wasn't. Do you see how you are compiling a track record of asserting things that I have not said?

I'm not going to go hunting for articles you posted. You seem to have difficulty finding content online and posting inline. If you can't do that, we're not going to get very far on that front.

I also said that I'm not arguing for sheer practicality of what the US can do based on where it is right now. I'm arguing about the larger problem plaguing our democracy.

I've said this several times now.

 

[Heathen]

Famine Haunts the People of Gaza. Israel Is Trying to Convince You It’s Fake.

Israeli extremist officials deny the existence of famine in Gaza as they push for harsher measures to block food.

theintercept.com

Israeli trolls have waged an intensive hasbara, or propaganda, campaign to deny the famine ravaging Gaza, even at its peak in February 2024. These denials persist, despite repeated warnings from international organizations that Gaza is edging closer to famine and the evidence in front of our eyes.

On April 20, an X user, notorious for spreading Israeli propaganda, posted a video of a man sitting by the beach in Gaza, alleging he was enjoying a “large kebab meal” during the crisis. The user intentionally skipped the fact that the man was eating horse meat.

Another post stunned me: It came from “Gazawood,” a systematic campaign aiming to mock, discredit, and deny Palestinian suffering. The video showed a woman in Gaza grinding pasta to bake bread for her children. The Israeli propagandist accused the woman of staging her story for the camera instead of trying to feed her starving family.

On May 12, 2024, I debunked a viral video intending to discredit the case of Fadi al-Zant, a child from Gaza who was suffering from malnutrition before fleeing the Strip for urgent medical treatment.

Trolls cruelly accused his mother of deliberately starving him to stage a “Pallywood” scene. Some atrocity denials weaponized her appearance to cast doubt on her child’s suffering.

 

[UriUT]

Why would you assume that?

I'm having a hard time telling if you're trolling or not. You seem to 'broad brush' and dismiss a lot without actually ever asking questions.




If you actually read what I've said, you'd know that isn't what I said.

I inferred that the logic goes that you're more likely to move those that are more likely to vote the way you want them to.

BUT that does not mean you don't also speak out against ANYONE who supports a genocide, so that means Republicans.

But maybe there aren't actually Republican town halls and leaders being interrupted and harassed all over the country by leftist protestors.

This is starting to sound like all the Republicans claiming that folks protesting all over this nation against Trump policies and against genocide have been "bussed in" and are "from out of state"

Maybe progressives don't actually protest against Republican lawmakers at town halls or in transit or at government buildings -- and it's all 'fake news'?

In all seriousness though - it isn't fake news. It's what is happening and has happened ever since this started.



You don't actually know what I want.

You could ask me: "Do you think that your beliefs hurt those on your side? Could you explain why or why not?" and I'd answer the best I could.

The problem is you've already decided that you know what the issue is and seem to be closed off from seeing a different perspective. I would think you would want to do more asking and less assuming.




I never said it wasn't. Do you see how you are compiling a track record of asserting things that I have not said?

I'm not going to go hunting for articles you posted. You seem to have difficulty finding content online and posting inline. If you can't do that, we're not going to get very far on that front.

I also said that I'm not arguing for sheer practicality of what the US can do based on where it is right now. I'm arguing about the larger problem plaguing our democracy.

I've said this several times now.

Look, this is really exhausting. When you say this isn't as complicated as I make it, that means you think it's easy. And that fits with your post history. You keep ignoring the difficult position Biden was in and judge the actions that were made to be his support for genocide. You must know that isn't true. Yet you keep ignoring things he did do to help the Palestinians. Why is that?

Similarly, why are you lumping in propalestinian protest in with the general anti trump protest? You know i was referring to the prop Palestinians protests specifically. I cant be much clearer. None of these protest post election attacked their reps on gaza, but ONE. Against a democratic rep. I don't understand this victimhood.

And you must understand that when I talk relief, I am talking specifically about aiding the Palestinians right? Like maybe humanitarian aid....you know...Biden tried and you cannot fathom that netanyahu's obstructionism couldn't be problematic? Or stopping military aid....and he was attacked immediately?

I also said that I'm not arguing for sheer practicality of what the US can do based on where it is right now. I'm arguing about the larger problem plaguing our democracy.

I've said this several times now.

Christ, I haven't seen this. The attacks on Biden made this very opaque. [edit...and what you say here has been my point from the start. Consider what can be done before you roast the person. Including Harris.]

 

[bird]

Just a comment or two.

Yeah, Biden forked up. It should have been no weapons. That being said stopping the criminal Bibi is something else. What could have been done is perhaps sanctions. Also not vetoing votes in the UN. Perhaps pressure could have been brought to bear.

However…

Trump was a known commodity. He was, is and always will be anti-Muslim. He is supportive of his fellow criminal in Bibi. Voting for Trump was a direct vote by the Arab-American community against their interests. Perhaps it was out of anger or desperation. Something as intensely emotional as the unlawful destruction of Gaza causes decisions to be made that are not as well thought through as something that strikes less at one’s heart. The community would have been better served sitting the election out or voting for a write-in or some other candidate if Biden was too unpalatable. Supporting Trump did them more harm.

I do not think that any U.S. president in my remaining lifetime will take the step of abandoning unconditional support for Israel. It should be done by it won’t be.

 

[Dragon]

Just a comment or two.

Yeah, Biden forked up. It should have been no weapons. That being said stopping the criminal Bibi is something else. What could have been done is perhaps sanctions. Also not vetoing votes in the UN. Perhaps pressure could have been brought to bear.

However…

Trump was a known commodity. He was, is and always will be anti-Muslim. He is supportive of his fellow criminal in Bibi. Voting for Trump was a direct vote by the Arab-American community against their interests. Perhaps it was out of anger or desperation. Something as intensely emotional as the unlawful destruction of Gaza causes decisions to be made that are not as well thought through as something that strikes less at one’s heart. The community would have been better served sitting the election out or voting for a write-in or some other candidate if Biden was too unpalatable. Supporting Trump did them more harm.

I do not think that any U.S. president in my remaining lifetime will take the step of abandoning unconditional support for Israel. It should be done by it won’t be.

Biden wasn't on the ticket.

 

[Dragon]

As an outsider, I’m genuinely amazed at how often the Democratic side in the U.S. seems to undermine itself. Politics is the art of compromise—achieving as many goals as possible by working together, not by insisting on absolutes. It’s never an all-or-nothing game. Internal divisions only weaken your position, especially when facing opponents with authoritarian tendencies. When the focus shifts to infighting, important messages are lost or diluted instead of being effectively communicated.


To be honest, I grew up in a household where politics were a part of everyday life. My father was the local leader of the county’s social-liberal party, and top politicians were frequent guests in our home. In a country with 11 to 13 active political parties, compromise and negotiation are essential. Government decisions are built on deals that ensure policies don’t swing too far to either the extreme right or the extreme left.

 

[Incumbent]

As an outsider, I’m genuinely amazed at how often the Democratic side in the U.S. seems to undermine itself. Politics is the art of compromise—achieving as many goals as possible by working together, not by insisting on absolutes. It’s never an all-or-nothing game. Internal divisions only weaken your position, especially when facing opponents with authoritarian tendencies. When the focus shifts to infighting, important messages are lost or diluted instead of being effectively communicated.


To be honest, I grew up in a household where politics were a part of everyday life. My father was the local leader of the county’s social-liberal party, and top politicians were frequent guests in our home. In a country with 11 to 13 active political parties, compromise and negotiation are essential. Government decisions are built on deals that ensure policies don’t swing too far to either the extreme right or the extreme left.

It's because the Democratic Party has the very difficult challenge of forming a coalition from a broad range of special interest groups. There is also a large swath of leftists who will find a reason to reject the party's candidate every election. This time it was Israel. Next time it will be _________.

 

[bird]

Biden wasn't on the ticket.

I am aware of that. Biden was in office at the time of the election. Harris showed no inclination to reverse U.S. policy regarding unconditional support for Israel. Would she have tried to work to get Bibi to reverse course? Sure. So, yeah, it applies.

 

[DJ1BigTymer]

The United States covered up an Israeli attack on a US Navy vessel that killed almost 40 Sailors and injured over 100 more, what makes you think the US would turn its back on Israel now? It is what it is.

 

[DaveXA]

As an outsider, I’m genuinely amazed at how often the Democratic side in the U.S. seems to undermine itself. Politics is the art of compromise—achieving as many goals as possible by working together, not by insisting on absolutes. It’s never an all-or-nothing game. Internal divisions only weaken your position, especially when facing opponents with authoritarian tendencies. When the focus shifts to infighting, important messages are lost or diluted instead of being effectively communicated.


To be honest, I grew up in a household where politics were a part of everyday life. My father was the local leader of the county’s social-liberal party, and top politicians were frequent guests in our home. In a country with 11 to 13 active political parties, compromise and negotiation are essential. Government decisions are built on deals that ensure policies don’t swing too far to either the extreme right or the extreme left.

Excellent post. Thank you for this. Compromise in the US is pretty much a lost cause unfortunately. It's more about not being team red or blue. I think the years and years of negative ads being the norm has warped our view of politics and politicians in general.

I'd also add that there's just so little trust in our public servants, and it's not entirely without reason. Many have misused their power to enrich themselves and their friends rather than be honest public servants.