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    Russia continues to mass assets within range of Ukraine - though the official explanations are that they are for various exercises. United States intelligence has noted that Russian operatives in Ukraine could launch 'false flag' operations as a predicate to invasion. The West has pressed for negotiations and on Friday in Geneva, the US Sec. State Blinken will meet with the Russian Foreign Minister Lavrov.

    Certainly the Russian movements evidence some plan - but what is it? Some analysts believe that Putin's grand scheme involves securing Western commitments that NATO would never expand beyond its current composition. Whether that means action in Ukraine or merely the movement of pieces on the chess board remains to be seen.


    VIENNA — No one expected much progress from this past week’s diplomatic marathon to defuse the security crisis Russia has ignited in Eastern Europe by surrounding Ukraine on three sides with 100,000 troops and then, by the White House’s accounting, sending in saboteurs to create a pretext for invasion.

    But as the Biden administration and NATO conduct tabletop simulations about how the next few months could unfold, they are increasingly wary of another set of options for President Vladimir V. Putin, steps that are more far-reaching than simply rolling his troops and armor over Ukraine’s border.

    Mr. Putin wants to extend Russia’s sphere of influence to Eastern Europe and secure written commitments that NATO will never again enlarge. If he is frustrated in reaching that goal, some of his aides suggested on the sidelines of the negotiations last week, then he would pursue Russia’s security interests with results that would be felt acutely in Europe and the United States.

    There were hints, never quite spelled out, that nuclear weapons could be shifted to places — perhaps not far from the United States coastline — that would reduce warning times after a launch to as little as five minutes, potentially igniting a confrontation with echoes of the 1962 Cuban Missile Crisis.






     
    Biden was right back then.

    If China was pushing weapons in Mexico, training their troops and trying to get a similar security agreement like NATO, do you think the US would sit back and let it all happen? Would we invade Mexico?

    So do you think the US should have done nothing while Russia invaded Ukraine in 2020 because we made a mistake 25 years ago?
     
    HA check this out.

    1. Putin has stated that very notion- hence 'special military operation" ( not "war )
    2. Putin has blamed all of this on the West hegemony ( see NATO expansion )
    3. JUST TODAY - Gazprom tv channel labeled Zelensky as "USIS" and had red stamp of "evil" on his forehead
    4. Putin announced the "special operation" was to "denazify" Ukraine ( that was early on- now its moved on to "de-satanize" )
    5. They continue to claim all targets are military targets. In the face of truth and confirmation. Deny Deny Deny and blame your enemy for the EXACT atrocities you carry out.
    6. Russia has, over the past 6 months, stated Ukraine biolabs produced engineered birds and now mosquitos ( no joke go look it up )
    7. Russia ( Ministry of Defense ) , to date, has officially put their losses around 6800. Its over 70,000.
    8. Actors, singers, writers - yep check that box - support Putin
    9. Yet again...they deem it sacred to avoid being put next to elephants in the zoo.
    10. Classic Russian disinfo.




    And yet you cannot see that the list provided above is EXACTLY how Russia has been thru this entire conflict.

    I am beginning to wonder if you really do exist in Madisonville, have Russian heritage or are simply a product of a Russian troll factory.

    Man, she could win the Republican nomination for President with that monologue!
     
    Biden was right back then.

    If China was pushing weapons in Mexico, training their troops and trying to get a similar security agreement like NATO, do you think the US would sit back and let it all happen? Would we invade Mexico?
    If they did, no we would not invade Mexico. Because invading Mexico would instantly start a war with China.
    So, you are saying Russia was correct to invade Ukraine, and if Finland joins NATO, Russia shoud invade them too on this priciple?
     
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    I am not unaware that there is propaganda on both sides.
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    Is there additional evidence to show that what I'm quoting in that article there is incorrect? Specifically, that the conversation "actually concerned the makeup of the new cabinet that would be formed as a result of the agreement between Yanukovych and the opposition"?
     
    One day after making a big deal about pulling out of the agreement to allow safe passage of grain from Ukraine, Russia quietly reversed course and said they would re-enter the agreement. I think they got word that the US Navy was prepared to escort the grain ships. They don’t want any part of that.

    So far, the Biden Administration has done a really good job of threading this needle. Quietly letting Russia know where we stand. Being firm in our support of Ukrainian sovereignty, getting unanimous support from NATO. Really glad someone with his foreign policy experience is in charge here.
     
    I am not unaware that there is propaganda on both sides.
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    So Russia felt so threatened by NATO that they emptied out the forces protecting kaliningrad, which is surrounded by the baltic states and Poland. Just so they can be canon fodder in Ukraine. Not to mention the troops defending st Petersburg and Moscow.

    The reality is, NATO is only a threat as far as it guarantees protection for states that are threatened by Russia such as the baltics, ukraine, georgia, etc. And mind you, those former communist bloc states ASKED to join NATO. These Putin apologist like Mearsheimer even go as far to say the folks in bucha was fair game because they participated by scouting Russian position.
     
    If the previous admin was still in charge, Russia would have full control over Ukraine right now.
    Maybe if it was Obama.

    On CNN's "New Day" on New Year's morning, the network's Fareed Zakaria was asked how U.S. Russia policy under President Joe Biden might differ from policy under President Trump. "I think, in general, there isn't going to be as much difference as people imagine," Zakaria said. "The Biden folks are pretty tough on Russia, Iran, North Korea. You know, the dirty little secret about the Trump administration was that while Donald Trump clearly had a kind of soft spot for Putin, the Trump administration was pretty tough on the Russians. They armed Ukraine. They armed the Poles. They extended NATO operations and exercises in ways that even the Obama administration had not done. They maintained the sanctions. So I don't think it will be that different."
     
    Maybe if it was Obama.

    On CNN's "New Day" on New Year's morning, the network's Fareed Zakaria was asked how U.S. Russia policy under President Joe Biden might differ from policy under President Trump. "I think, in general, there isn't going to be as much difference as people imagine," Zakaria said. "The Biden folks are pretty tough on Russia, Iran, North Korea. You know, the dirty little secret about the Trump administration was that while Donald Trump clearly had a kind of soft spot for Putin, the Trump administration was pretty tough on the Russians. They armed Ukraine. They armed the Poles. They extended NATO operations and exercises in ways that even the Obama administration had not done. They maintained the sanctions. So I don't think it will be that different."
    More like Congress was tough on Russia and they did provided aid to Ukraine by passing aid packages with a veto proof majority.

    Dec 2019
    Senior Trump administration officials in recent days threatened a presidential veto that could have led to a government shutdown if House Democrats refused to drop language requiring prompt release of future military aid for Ukraine, according to five administration and congressional officials...

    The White House this year refused to release congressionally appropriated defense aid to Kyiv during a period when President Trump had asked Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky to investigate former vice president and 2020 candidate Joe Biden and his son Hunter, who had served on the board of a Ukrainian gas company. Trump’s request of Zelensky as the White House delayed the aid was at the heart of House Democrats’ decision to impeach Trump this week on charges of abuse of power and obstruction of Congress.
     
    More like Congress was tough on Russia and they did provided aid to Ukraine by passing aid packages with a veto proof majority.

    Dec 2019



    yea, he wants to forget about that time Trump withheld defensive aid to Ukraine. but thats different..
    And remember that time he was so hard on Putin, he believed him over his own CIA and Homeland Security? good times..
     
    yea, he wants to forget about that time Trump withheld defensive aid to Ukraine. but thats different..
    And remember that time he was so hard on Putin, he believed him over his own CIA and Homeland Security? good times..

    he has blocked me so he cannot see my posts. I really think something has happened with that poster ( mentally ) that he has broken from reality a bit.

    At first is was contrarian. Then antagonistic.

    Now, its full on support for anything that derides anyone or any thing that doesnt jive with his beliefs. To the point that its quite deranged at times.

    I hope im wrong, but i think he seethes with contempt and genuine dislike for anything democrat involved and it has bled over now into other areas of his thought processes.
     
    Biden was right back then.

    If China was pushing weapons in Mexico, training their troops and trying to get a similar security agreement like NATO, do you think the US would sit back and let it all happen? Would we invade Mexico?

    The answer to this would be no. We would care if Mexico let China have a troop presence near our border.

    Do you want to take a wild guess which country Mexico sends 80% of its exports? America can use soft power on Mexico if it had too.

    I personally completely reject the idea that Putin was worried about security. I'm still amazed so many people took Russian propaganda about NATO at face value.

    Was Ukraine on pace to join NATO in 2014? No

    If Russia didn't invade Ukraine in 2014, what would have happened?

    Ukraine would have developed a massive amount gas fields.

    What does this do to Russia?

    It counters their soft power to both the EU, and Ukraine. It also hurts their pocket book as the EU has another source of gas.

    There is an answer as to why Russia invaded Ukraine that doesn't involve magical thinking about an aggressive defense pact.
     
    In case anyone missed this frontline documentary.


    Despite likely enduring a long tough winter, they know what awaits if they lose.

    This is what Mearsheimer says are legitimate military targets.
     
    In case anyone missed this frontline documentary.


    Despite likely enduring a long tough winter, they know what awaits if they lose.

    This is what Mearsheimer says are legitimate military targets.

    Is there any difference between Daesh and the Russian Armed Forces?

    The whole documentary:

     

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