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    A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

    Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

    It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

    Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

    Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

    Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

    Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

    And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.
     
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    Pastor Ben Marsh wrote this on Twitter about immigration.

    In Japan the birthrate fell so low and movement to the big cities happened so quickly that entire villages have become ghost towns where only the elderly remain.

    In some places they have filled the empty schools with dolls.

    A quick drive through North Carolina's countryside reveals a lot of closed schools, closed hospitals, closed businesses. Small towns are dying and have been dying for some time now, despite numerous promises to revive them by presidents of both parties. Many are maintained by social security income to their elderly residents.

    The places where schools stay open in rural areas? Those that become populated with immigrants. The total fertility rate for natives is under 2, the TFR for immigrants is over. Migrants move to rural areas for jobs in manufacturing, food production, and other blue collar jobs not utilized by native populations. Many come with large families. The "white replacement" that nativists fear is not only here, it is a necessity for the survival of towns like Springfield.

    The only real question is, how do we welcome the stranger? How do we enculturate and teach english to these newcomers? Schools are a massive part in that. Kids learn English, learn America in schools. They serve as conduits to their parents. They face the language challenge, of course, but are quick to embrace their new world.

    Sending them back, all of them, is nothing more or less than the death of American small towns. It is to embrace the ghost schools filled with dolls instead of children.

    For a nation built on immigrants, whose greatest contributions to the world have come by way of immigrants and their children, the idea of no immigration, of negative migration, is national suicide.
     
    In an effort to prevent migrant crossings from the southern border, Texas installed a razor wire along its border with New Mexico, not Mexico — upsetting the southwestern state’s governor.

    Texas Governor Greg Abbott announced on September 14 that his state would be “TRIPLING our razor wire border barriers to deny illegal entry into our state and our country.”

    However, rather than installing the razor wire along the Rio Grande river bank that faces Mexico, KTSM on Tuesday captured footage of Texas Army National Guard troops installing it along a bank that faces New Mexico.

    This newly-laid barrier extends from West Paisano Drive to the Texas side of the Anapra, New Mexico, according to the outlet.

    New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham, a Democrat, told The Independent in a statement that Republican Abbott’s latest move was a “political stunt” that will have “will have no meaningful impact on our nation’s broken immigration system.”……..

    www.independent.co.uk

    Which Mexico are you? New Mexico furious after Texas installs fencing along border

    Texas’ latest move is a ‘political stunt’ that will have ‘will have no meaningful impact on our nation’s broken immigration system,’ New Mexico Governor Michelle Lujan Grisham said
    www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    For Hispanic voters, endorsing Donald Trump’s extraordinary plans for deporting millions of undocumented immigrants should present a moral dilemma. But for many, it doesn’t seem to. Although recent polls have showed Vice President Kamala Harris faring somewhat better among Latinos than President Joe Biden had been a few weeks ago, Trump’s support still hovers around 40 percent.

    I have covered the country’s Latino community for nearly two decades and have seen significant shifts in Hispanic voter priorities and allegiances. There are many theories for why these swings are happening. Journalist Paola Ramos argued that some Latinos vote out of “political trauma,” weary of the left’s association with socialism. David French suggested that Democrats’ progressive agenda could be alienating Hispanic voters who hold traditional values.

    Many activists have pointed their finger at lackluster community outreach by the Democratic Party. All these accounts have some truth to them. There are plausible reasons for Republican strategists to be optimistic about bringing more Latinos into the party in the future.

    Nevertheless, I struggle to fully understand some Hispanic voters’ enduring support for Trump today, given his racist rhetoric and terrifying policy proposals. While Latinos are generally more moderate on immigration policy than the average American, a considerable number appear to favor punitive measures.

    In a recent poll, 53 percent of Hispanic voters said they would support the mass deportation of undocumented immigrants, with 50 percent supporting “large detention centers” for those awaiting possible deportation.

    One possibility is that the sheer scale of Trump’s proposed immigration policies is making it hard for people to comprehend the human toll.

    Trump’s plans to carry out the largest mass deportation campaign in history are no secret — he refers to them frequently in stump speeches. And the outlines of the plans have been amply documented. Trump is aiming to expel at least 15 million undocumented people from the country. (For a sense of scale, compare this figure to the Obama-era Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program, which currently protects more than 500,000 “dreamers.”)

    These vulnerable millions know no other country but this one. If they are forced to leave everything they have behind overnight, their anguish will make the hideous stories of family separations we heard during the first Trump term pale in comparison.

    If carried out, Trump’s planned mass deportation would leave nearly 4½ million children in the United States partially or wholly orphaned. The impact of mass deportation on families would be profound. In Florida, nearly 2 million U.S. citizens or non-undocumented residents live in households with at least one undocumented person; in California, it’s more than 4 million.

    The sudden disappearance of a parent or a main provider will be devastating: It is estimated that more than 900,000 households with at least one child who is a U.S. citizen will fall below the poverty line if the undocumented breadwinners in these families are deported.

    Some Latino voters who are considering Trump seem skeptical of the plan’s actual implementation. “I don’t think he is going to start rounding up Mexicans or Venezuelans,” said Anthony Gavic, a potential Trump voter of Mexican descent, in a recent interview with the New York Times.

    Other Trump voters appear willing to disregard the human costs of an unforgiving immigration policy. “Terrible for those who came after. Congratulations to me,” Santiago Ferran Barnet, a Cuban immigrant, told the Miami Herald during a Trump rally.

    Other Trump supporters share this moral meanness and lack of empathy. “Putting them in a camp and deporting them? It sounds great to me,” said Anais Refujol, a Trump voter from California, when asked about detention centers for recent Venezuelan immigrants. Ironically, Refujol herself earned citizenship after arriving as a refugee in 2004 — from Venezuela.

    Can voters like these be reached? Perhaps not, but Democrats must try................


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    The ignorance in some of those statements is staggering. They don’t realize that the dragnet to find the undocumented will lead to millions of legal people being abused or harassed. It is amazing that some that benefited from their undocumented status now don’t have any empathy.

    The article lays out many of the problems that it will create. In principle I want undocumented people to be deported or face some type of accountability to deter lawlessness, but how we get there matters. The ends don’t justify any means. Mass roundups will be a disaster, especially for anyone that looks Latino.
     
    SystemShock said:
    In general, I'd say, if they would be allowed to vote, they'd probably vote Republican: religious, not keen on abortion, or LGBTQ+, and despite the protests that are televised, immigrants, especially those who do manual labor, don't like other immigrants; they are competition after all.
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    Some people forget where they came from, but many people don’t. Those that don’t forget maintain empathy and would more likely vote Democratic. Also, while they are religious, I think the percent that support abortion rights and LGBT rights is similar to the general population.
     
    Lapaz said:
    Some people forget where they came from, but many people don’t. Those that don’t forget maintain empathy and would more likely vote Democratic. Also, while they are religious, I think the percent that support abortion rights and LGBT rights is similar to the general population.
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    Sure thing, buddy.
     
    Guess this can go here
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    Military veteran Bineveido Perez stood before a judge in May 2001. He joined the Army in 1972 and served believing he would have the same rights as a citizen when he left. He learned years later that, as an immigrant, he did not.

    The realization came as he was cuffed, booked and months later appeared before the judge convicted of drug charges. That meant he had to leave the US. The fact he fought for the nation meant little, the law told him to “get out.”

    “I got the news that ‘we don’t care that you’re a veteran, you’re gonna have to go in front of a judge and he’s going to decide whether you are deportable or not’,” he tells The Independent.

    Perez’s situation is not unique. There are roughly 94,000 immigrant veterans who have not been “naturalized” and vulnerable to deportation should they have run-ins with the law. Many believed that serving in the military would allow them to stay.

    Through initiatives such as “humanitarian parole” exist to help repatriate veterans, many live in fear that one small mistake may result in them being taken from their families and deported from the lives they have built in the country they defended.

    Immigration lawyers and veterans themselves say the immigration system is in serious need of a revamp, to offer better protection to those who have been willing to sacrifice their lives for their country even if they run into future legal problems……

    www.independent.co.uk

    Undocumented vet who fought in US military recounts being deported despite service

    Those who pledged to lay down their lives for the country they immigrated to expected the same rights and protections of US citizens. That was not the case, they tell Mike Bedigan
    www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk
     
    Meanwhile, my home State of Yucatán finally lost the title of most secure State in México to Baja California.
    The influx of people from troubled Mexican States, plus the influx of Cubans, Colombians, and Venezuelans has contributed to various crimes from home break-ins, extorsion, loan sharking, prostitution... stuff that didn't happen 15-20 years ago before the influx of huaches (maya word used to describe anyone not from the Peninsula) and other foreigners.

    Baja California population is growing too, but it's a different crowd.

    We also have had a surge in the number of Koreans and Haitians, but Koreans are great and Haitians don't eat the pets :hihi:

    Oh, and Canadians and Americans are contributing too, mostly in the financial and real estate fields..
     
    Optimus Prime said:
    Touché

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    It's not just about being white. The roots beneath the surface whiteness is the sense of entitlement. Too many people of all types across the planet feel that they and their kind are entitled to what others are not. That's the hidden caste system at work.
     
    Making up shirt again. The strike is settled, good jobs report, inflation and interest rates going down - there MUST be a caravan somewhere!

     

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