Immigration is completely out of control (6 Viewers)

[SystemShock]

A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.

 

[Saint by the Bay]

I've heard the idea of building a wall along Mexico's southern border, and I think I like it, but I haven't heard much discussion of the ramifications. I think we can get past the construction cost, but then there would also be a maintenance cost of not just the wall, but any other associated equipment or infrastructure. Also, even with a wall, it will require monitoring. I would want some type of U.S. presence at that wall. All of this may save money, compared to what it would cost for something comparable at the U.S./Mexican border, but it will be politically difficult, and we would need a friendly Mexican administration. It would almost have to be a treaty with Mexico such that different Mexican and U.S. administrations can't willy/nilly pull support.

I think we should have a consulate at a gate on that wall that includes immigration judges to process asylum requests and officials to grant temporary work visas. Work out a system with Mexico to allow passage to the US for anyone approved for asylum or the guest worker program. We should handle the cost of building and maintaining the wall because, ultimately, we benefit from it and we need it. If we don't do it there we have to do it here and spend the money anyway.

Mexico already has a major military presence on its southern border. This will just make their job easier. The US doesn't need to have an enforcement presence there.

 

[Lapaz]

lol

Someone should ask him if he believes that no apprehensions would prove that the border is closed?

 

[MT15]

Just saw this on Twitter. As expected, Trump didn’t really accomplish anything with undocumented immigrants.

 

[Optimus Prime]

CNN) — Republican Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas signed into law Monday a bill that makes entering Texas illegally a state crime, an extraordinary step in the hard-fought legal battle between the state and the federal government over efforts to curtail illegal immigration.

The measure, SB 4, grants local law enforcement the power to arrest migrants and judges the ability to issue orders to remove them to Mexico. It has sent ripples of fear throughout the Latino community in Texas, which makes up 40% of the state’s population, and was condemned by civil rights organizations and immigration advocacy groups after the Texas legislature passed it last month.

The law is expected to take effect in March…….

GOP Gov. Abbott signs border bill that makes entering Texas illegally a state crime | CNN Politics

Republican Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas signed into law Monday a bill that makes entering Texas illegally a state crime, an extraordinary step in the hard-fought legal battle between the state and the federal government over efforts to curtail illegal immigration.

www.cnn.com

 

[MT15]

CNN) — Republican Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas signed into law Monday a bill that makes entering Texas illegally a state crime, an extraordinary step in the hard-fought legal battle between the state and the federal government over efforts to curtail illegal immigration.

The measure, SB 4, grants local law enforcement the power to arrest migrants and judges the ability to issue orders to remove them to Mexico. It has sent ripples of fear throughout the Latino community in Texas, which makes up 40% of the state’s population, and was condemned by civil rights organizations and immigration advocacy groups after the Texas legislature passed it last month.

The law is expected to take effect in March…….

GOP Gov. Abbott signs border bill that makes entering Texas illegally a state crime | CNN Politics

Republican Gov. Greg Abbott of Texas signed into law Monday a bill that makes entering Texas illegally a state crime, an extraordinary step in the hard-fought legal battle between the state and the federal government over efforts to curtail illegal immigration.

www.cnn.com

I wonder what is Abbott’s plan for all the jobs those migrants hold? Who is going to do those jobs?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

I wonder what is Abbott’s plan for all the jobs those migrants hold? Who is going to do those jobs?

his plan is to blame Biden for inflation.

 

[samiam5211]

Liberals in Texas should all get bumper stickers that say "I'm an illegal immigrant".

 

[Lapaz]

A couple of days ago, one of the main US-MX border points of entry was blocked by 1000's of migrants demanding entry into the country, which caused chaos for those who lawfully cross the border on business, for work, or for delivery of goods, both ways.

Lawful border crossings are getting progressively worse across the border, and drug cartels are finding it easier to move product, as the CBP has to transfer personnel and efforts to the processing of migrants.

It's not different on MX's South border. Yesterday, ~5000 migrants stormed into Chiapas all the way to the INM building (INM is immigration) running over fences, barricades, and elements of the National Guard. They are now taking over an ecological park in Tapachula, Chiapas, which it's going to be severely affected, as it's been the case with just about everywhere migrants squat.

Unfortunately, Juan Trump (that's Donald Trump's pet name for the President of México) was bamboozled by his "friend" Donald into making MX a "lobby" for migrants trying to reach the U.S.

Many people would argue that migrants are "good for the economy", but that is not always the case. Billions of dollars leave the U.S. economy every year, because migrants send money from the U.S. to other countries to support families there. The biggest destinations are India and MX, to the tune of 100 billion dollars in 2023 alone, according to the Bank of México (kind of like the MX version of the Fed). These billions of dollars do not circulate in the U.S. economy.

Speaking of inflation, the past year, the U.S. dollar has lost ~20% of its value against the MX peso. One of the main reasons for it, is the amount of money being sent to MX from the U.S. And MX is the U.S. 2nd largest trading partner.

Gregg Abbott is a lot of things, but I don't blame him for his attempts at curbing the hordes of people demanding entry into the U.S., even the busing of migrants to other States, making some put their money where their mouth is, like the Mayor of NYC, who was so welcoming of migrants, until he he got a taste, then went crying to the federal government for more money, while the shelters were at full capacity; shelters which BTW serve the NYC poor as well.

And please, no one mention a wall. There is a wall. A wall can be climbed; a wall can be dug under.; holes can be punched through walls.

New York deserves money if migrants are going to be shipped there. New York already gets a lot less from the feds than most states. They pay $1792 more per resident than they receive. Most states receive money, including Texas. Some of that money that goes to Texas is to handle their migrants. That money should be redirected to New York and other states getting their migrants. If they start losing money, that’ll curb Texas from shipping their migrants.

Federal Aid by State 2023

 

[MT15]

The GOP needs to quit dithering about and negotiate with Dems about the border. The Dems have asked them to write down what they want, and they haven’t done so - in the Senate at least. Confirming my suspicion that the GOP doesn’t want to improve conditions at the border because they want to use it during the election.

 

[samiam5211]

Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2006 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

This would be a good starting point. It came very close to passing.

 

[SaintForLife]

 

[SaintForLife]

The GOP needs to quit dithering about and negotiate with Dems about the border. The Dems have asked them to write down what they want, and they haven’t done so - in the Senate at least. Confirming my suspicion that the GOP doesn’t want to improve conditions at the border because they want to use it during the election.

Do you really expect anyone to believe that it's the Democrats who want to fix the border and the Republicans don't want it fixed?

 

[MT15]

Do you really expect anyone to believe that it's the Democrats who want to fix the border and the Republicans don't want it fixed?

It is a fact that Schumer invited the Senate GOP to put what they wanted to do about the border down in writing so they could talk about it and get some changes in the bill. And the Senate GOP refused, and went home. I read that only 17 GOP senators even showed up on their last day in session.

It is also a fact that when the GOP controlled both houses of Congress for 2 years during the Trump Administration they didn’t really do any type of immigration reform at all. It’s not something they really want to solve.

 

[MT15]

Got any proof for any of what he is saying?

 

[Bigdaddysaints]

Do you really expect anyone to believe that it's the Democrats who want to fix the border and the Republicans don't want it fixed?

thev proof is in the pudding. the Republicans don't want to fix it. they have had control of the house, Senate, and president, yet nothing was done except a poor attempt at a wall.. they know what the illegal immigrant work force does for large corporations especially in the food industry. they have made no real attempt to punish the offenders who employ them because they know inflation would make current inflation look like child's play.

 

[SystemShock]

Got any proof for any of what he is saying?

I can confirm the railways closing due to issues with migrants. The railways were closed for 5 days, so the CBP could reassign people to the processing of migrants. They just reopened today, as per my local newspaper.

EE.UU. reabre cruce de trenes

La medida tuvo afectaciones para comercio bilateral

www.yucatan.com.mx

And no, the situation at the border is not business as usual. Thousands and thousands of people continue to come through the Guatemala-MX border, and thousands and thousands of people continue to amass at the border, all petitioning asylum, as if wars were raging in C.A., S.A., the Caribbean... MX Immigration has arrested people from as far as India, North Korea, Egypt, Russia, in Southern MX. along with every nationality South of the U.S. border.

 

[MT15]

I don’t trust the guy who tweeted and my guess is he left out a lot of context from the press Secretary quote.

 

[SystemShock]

I think we should have a consulate at a gate on that wall that includes immigration judges to process asylum requests and officials to grant temporary work visas. Work out a system with Mexico to allow passage to the US for anyone approved for asylum or the guest worker program. We should handle the cost of building and maintaining the wall because, ultimately, we benefit from it and we need it. If we don't do it there we have to do it here and spend the money anyway.

Mexico already has a major military presence on its southern border. This will just make their job easier. The US doesn't need to have an enforcement presence there.

The first step should be asylum claims are only processed in the embassy or a consulate of your country of origin, not just show up at the border and demand entry.